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ive never seen him play, is his defense really terrible?
Maybe I am clueless, but why did the Spurs sign Bonner to a 3 year deal for $9 million? He might be a nice guy and team guy, but the man is slow and plodding. His defense is terrible. He rarely got off the bench during the regular season and was invisible during the playoffs. His only positive is his outside shooting. I shudder to think if we had some injuries, the thought of Bonner playing 20+ minutes per night. , I shudder to think about Bonner on the court against either Dallas or Phoenix.
Might we have used that $3 million per season and sweetened it with another $3 million and tried to sign an athletic swing guy like Matt Barnes, Mo Pete, or Gerald Wallace? I know what some of you will say---none of those guys will sign for the MLE. But how do we know they would not want to come here to play with Tim?
I just do not get Pop's infatuation with Bonner.
ive never seen him play, is his defense really terrible?
The only answer anyone can conjecture at this point is to look back a year at what people were saying about Oberto, basically the same exact things.
We shall see what we shall see, but I think we'll see a much better Spurs team with that years' learning curve over with.
High BBIQ and hustle.not bad for 3M p/yr.
That's what happens when you get injured. You tend to stay on the bench.
No, what we're going to say is you obviously don't know a damn thing about the salary cap, or how much we could offer someone this season (hint: your 3+3 million idea wouldn't work).Might we have used that $3 million per season and sweetened it with another $3 million and tried to sign an athletic swing guy like Matt Barnes, Mo Pete, or Gerald Wallace? I know what some of you will say---none of those guys will sign for the MLE.
Bonner showed some really nice flashes this season, especially with his work on the offensive glass. I see him as insurance for the strong possibility that Horry won't be effective next season. Pop really likes to have a PF/C who can draw out his defender.
So you are saying we cannot offer any player a MLE contract which is now starts about $6 million per year?
He was 6th man in Toronto and started a bunch of games. Yes I know it was Toronto but come on...he's not a scrub. Also, he was playing really well for the Spurs last season and was the 7th or 8th man in a lot of games before his injury. He came back sooner than the Spurs expected because of his dedication. All the guys love him. He works hard and keeps the locker room loose.
Tim Duncan didn't talk to Tony Parker his first year. He met Matt Bonner at the airport. They hang out frequently and were seen talking and joking around together when the Spurs won the Western Conference championship and the NBA Championship.
Yes they may trade him later on in the season for a piece they need but for now this is a good signing.
I saw some flashes but at $3m per?
I got a question for you:
Why is Barry still here?
(giggidy)
The following table might give you a clue:
From 82games.com
Player % of Minutes Position PER Opp PER Net PER
Bonner 15 PF 18.4 11.2 +6.6
Oberto 26 PF 13.7 15.2 -1.5
Oberto 7* C 11.5 14.6 -3.1
Elson 33 C 12.4 18.8 -6.4
Horry 22 PF 11.5 17.2 -5.7
Horry 5* C 19.0 17.7 +1.3
Duncan** 19 PF 27.6 17.0 +10.6
Duncan** 49 C 28.8 13.9 +14.9
* Stats to be taken with a grain of salt, because of sample size
** Numbers included for comparison purposes only
While Bonner has his weaknesses, he is statistically the 2nd best big man on the team. While this is not to say that he is a good player, it is certainly interesting. It also says something about TD, that he can go out there and get the job done, despite his other big being pretty useless...
Also, note the following 5 man unit combinations (in particular win %):
Players Min For Ag. +/- W L W%
Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Oberto-Duncan 290 571 503 +68 22 12 64.7
Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Bonner-Duncan 46 116 78 +38 12 1 92.3
Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Horry-Duncan 172 328 295 +33 21 13 61.7
Parker-Ginobili-Bowen-Duncan-Elson 173 391 302 +89 15 13 53.5
Parker-Barry-Bowen-Duncan-Elson* 245 469 438 +31 21 9 70.0
* included in fairness to Elson, as without Ginobili was his top 5 man unit with a reasonable # of minutes
Before his injury, Bonner was well on his way to making himself the 2nd starting big beside TD.
at today's market, 3 million per is very well worth it. Varejao is rumored to be offered 8 million per.
3 mill for Bonner???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????
R U IN KIDDING ME??????????????????????????????????????
No, I'm saying you don't understand the salary cap. The Spurs are right at the luxury tax threshold. You want to give someone the MLE, the Spurs are essentially looking at paying the dollar for dollar penalty for the contract.
You six million dollar man would cost the Spurs twelve million.
It's likely that this move was made to anticipate Horry retiring after this season. Bonner might get off the bench in case of injury, but I think his time will come after next season when he is asked to play the "Horry" role of big hustle guy that can shoot.
Spurs are also paying $3M to Elson and Butler, so it's not an outrageous sum of money.
bad call... he should have left to a team where he'd get more minutes... no there's no room for Scola... trade him, Butler and Beno... get a reliable 2nd PG and Scola...
You people are clueless. First, $3M is cheap for a serviceable big man in the NBA today. Second, Bonner has had a year to learn the system and get used to what Popovich demands... and he's done both. Not every, I'd dare say a minority, of NBA players could do that. Third, before Bonner got injured, he was actually playing quite well, if you remember. He came in and brought a lot of energy, kept balls in play, hit the occasional 3 or at least kept the defense honest, and battled on defense.
bonner is gonna shine this year
People who thinks than $9M/3 years is way overpaid has no clue about players market value and/or no clue on how role players are valuable.
Doubt that very much...but it could happen in 08.
The same roster is being brought back along with virtually every member of the regular rotation. Unless Bonner supplants Horry in the regular rotation, which is doubtful, it's likely Bon-Bon will only see the limited minutes that he saw last year.
The only caveat is injury....
I really feel that Bonner would have been in the playoff rotation had he not been hurt right as the team was gelling at the end of the season. He was really starting to click out there and endear himself to his teammates. Hopefully this season he will be healthy heading into the summer and we can see how he does with playoff basketball.
Take a long look at that table I posted. I wouldn't be all that surprised to see Horry supplanted.
Admittedly, I also think that a rookie Fazekas or McRoberts could get into our big rotation as 1st guy off the bench, which says something about our big rotation...
Because he's wicked awesome.
And KG is his .
he's not better than scola. and that's all that matters.
Maybe not in the low post, but I'll have to disagree with you when it comes to playing the big man who can space the floor and give TD room to operate with his outside shooting role.
I'd venture to guess that if Scola wanted to play for a deal starting at 3 million a year, he'd be here already.
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