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Don't forget about the 2nd round pick.
With today's events (Butler waived, Washington signed), that trade essentially ended up being Scola's rights for the money to sign Udoka and Washington.
Anyone want to still whine like a little girl about it?
Don't forget about the 2nd round pick.
As of now, the Spurs gave up their only two low post threats outside of Duncan for cap space. Now that cap space has turned into two players, but neither Scola or those two players have proven a thing.
I think I'll wait to see how Udoka and Washington fit before revisiting the trade...
I haven't, but 2009 is a little ways off. Mark that one down as TBD.
Even if they do nothing with it though, who is upset about getting Udoka and Washington for Scola?
Uh, I'd say they are fitting fantasticly.I think I'll wait to see how Udoka and Washington fit
Washington is the first training camp invitee I know of that the Spurs have "created" room for.
Nice post aggie
Depends what Udoka and Washington mean to this team.
If they don't pan out, then it was a trade.
If they do, then maybe it wasn't bad, but you still have to weigh it against how Scola does....
Hindsight
Spurs front office did not know that:
A) Beno would break a finger and,
B) That Jaque Vaughn would start the season on the injured list.
C) That Darius Washington, a last minute invitee, would impress everyone and make the team to fill a glaring need.
D) That Marcus Williams would fall short of NBA readiness.
E) Bonner's beard would make him a better player.
F) That Ime Udoka would gel with the team immediately.
The only things that they did factor, was that:
A) Spannoulis was going to return to Greece
B) Butler's discipline had a reason for being questioned.
Besides, the verdict is not completely out on this one... so don't act as if it is. i.e. we don't know where Scola's potential will take him.
All one can say is that the Spurs' FO played their cards with an element of risk... and that so far it seems as though the trade was not as unilateral as it was once thought to be.
As long as Bonner is making Scola his , I could give a damn how Scola is doing.
Since when does this team need a low post threat? Big guys not named Duncan basically need to get out of the scorers' respective ways.
Pretty much. The question posed is a strawman argument. Given what they knew at the time about the future (nothing), the trade was ridiculous. That they've managed to get two promising players is great, but had nothing to do with whether, at the time, it was a good trade.
Not really seeing as Scola didn't fit a need.If they do, then maybe it wasn't bad, but you still have to weigh it against how Scola does....
The Spurs are loaded at forward with Splitter, Mahinmi, Duncan, Oberto as it is.
The trade was made, to create money for Udoka.
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While I don't think Washington has anything to do with the trade, I do think the Spurs FO wanting to sign Ime was part of the reason for dumping Butler, and acquiring cash.
I see it as Ime and a 2nd rounder for Scola and Butler. Which still looks like a bad trade. But with Butler being cut, it does make it seem better. Spurs probably knew that Butler was crap, so I think it's fair to say that trade isn't as bad as it first seemed. We still need to see how Scola and Ime do though to determine for sure.
Not to mention the fact someone's on shaky ground when they argue that Butler is a low post threat.
Can anyone see the Spurs running the offense through Butler in the WCF against Phoenix or Dallas in the WCF?
It's not a straw man. By trading away Scola and Butler they created the flexibility needed to sign a Bowen replacement (Udoka), and also ended up with a roster spot open at the end of the bench that they could fill with someone who actually fills a need.
I don't get how Washington got added to the mix. Washington replaced the second round pick, which the Spurs had before and after the Scola trade.
I think the big deal about this Scola deal was that Scola was Argentine and with the sucess of players from Argentina it was considered a bad move. I would have still liked him on the team I guess, but with or without him the Spurs were still gonna be contenders. So all these little offseason happenings that people are blowing there chodes for are pretty asinine.
What will really make the Scola trade a good or a bad trade is what will Scola do in nba and it's too soon to say if he will succeed or not.
However, Butler waived, Mahinmi and Udoka looking good are factors that make the Scola trade better (or less worst).
who would you rather have, Scola or Udoka?
I keep reading that Scola is better than Oberto in just about every way. would you trade Oberto for washington and Oduka?
Someone needs to tell me how Scola is better than Oberto. Yeah, I've been hearing all along that Scola was the 2nd best player on the Argentine Olympic team. I've not seen as much of Scola as I have Oberto, yet their games look awfully similar to me.
I don't get it either
Washington replaces Williams. He didn't replace anyone that was traded in the Scola trade and he wasn't signed with any cap room or anything. He's just a player on an unguaranteed contract
Basically Butler and James White! were replaced with Mahinmi and Udoka.
Scola and Butler were still just traded for nothing. But it accomplished two things - got rid of two players they didn't want (creating open roster spots) and saved some money for the ownership group (though it didn't create cap room). I don't care much, but it is what it is.
If it didn't create cap room, then it saved the Spurs double Butler's salary plus whatever they aren't paying to Spanoulis. I'd wager that savings was a factor in deciding to eat a bad draft pick rather than try to stick it out and let Darius go.
I can live with that.Basically Butler and James White! were replaced with Mahinmi and Udoka.
In two years that trade may prove to be a steal.
There was no money consideration in the Williams or Washington decision. They were both on unguaranteed contracts for the same amount.
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