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I think Larry Legend has this hands down. Feedback, rebuttal?
those are some big backyards
Bird
Dr J
Nique
Bernard King
Pippen
Last edited by mardigan; 08-09-2007 at 10:12 PM.
Dr. J should be in the conversation
I like acreage!
I would rank him 2nd w/ Pippen 3rd b/c his defense was ridiculous. Can't go into the era b4 Dr. J too much b/c I was born in '72. Weren't West and Barry SF's also?
No one do a SG or PF thread, we all know who the greatest are at those positions.
01 Larry Bird
02 Julius Erving
03 Scottie Pippen
04 Rick Barry
05 Shawn Marion
06 Dominique Wilkins
07 Alex English
08 Adrian Dantley
09 Bernard King
10 Mark Aguirre
lmao at marion!
Marion's ing awesome. He's a very good defender and a great rebounder, better than a lot of PFs and Cs.
He's not a guy you're gonna run an offense through, and that shows up in playoff series pretty often, but you're gonna have a hard time finding a better all-around SF than him.
His body of work>>>>>a couple of playoff series
Marion is not top 10, I'd be shocked if even Phoenix fans felt that way. Good call on Bernard King, he could fill it up like very few else ever have.
Yea man, but to put him in front of guys like Nique and King is a little ridiculous.
I dont even think hes better than Grant Hill in his prime
If Marion is top-10, it's towards the bottom half. I think SRJ is correct on many things, but I want my SF to both have a consistant jumper out to range and be able to create his own shot, whether via the post, or off the dribble. Marion really has/can do neither.
I think he's probably the best rebounding SF of all time, especially when you factor in his 6-7, 220 pound frame, but I am not sure if it and his stat-stuffing defense is enough to make up for his dependant offense.
I'd probably say he has a range of 8 as the highest, to a more realistic 10-to-12 range.
1. Larry Bird
2. Julius Erving
3. Scottie Pippen
4. Bernard King
5. Rick Barry
6. Dominique Wilkins
7. James Worthy
8. Grant Hill
9. Alex English
10. Adrian Dantley
Can't believe Worthy hasn't been mentioned yet. Not a top-fiver, but easily should be in the top-10. Wilkins gets a bump down because of his lack rebounding and defense, while Hill could have been higher had he not been injured. The latter two could very well be higher.
In my book, there's a top-3, then everyone else is throw 'em at a wall and see who sticks. Lots of very, very good ones, but SF isn't a position with too much history of greatness.
This is exactly why I forgot Worthy. There were so many very good SF in the 1980's, I forgot him when I was thinking of guys from his era. Of course, Worthy had it a little easier than most of his contemporaries since he played with Magic and Kareem.In my book, there's a top-3, then everyone else is throw 'em at a wall and see who sticks. Lots of very, very good ones, but SF isn't a position with too much history of greatness.
Here's my revamped list. Aguirre is cut:
01 Larry Bird
02 Julius Erving
03 Scottie Pippen
04 Rick Barry
05 Shawn Marion
06 Dominique Wilkins
07 James Worthy
08 Alex English
09 Adrian Dantley
10 Bernard King
And I guess I favor Marion because I like my SF to be versatile. The top half of my list are guys who do many things, while the bottom half are basically scorers.
Yeah, I'm not even going to bother with this list, 3's are like 2's, there's so many good ones and no matter who you come up with, you're omitting guys just as good. One thing I do know is that Marion isn't in the top-10 of all-time.
King averaged 7 boards, 4 assists, and a steal to go with his 26 point a game average for his career, a little more than just scoring
I think Aguirre was better than Marion.
Marion isn't top 20
Ain't that the truth. He once averaged 29 points a game. He was a slasher that also had a decent outside shot.
1. Adam Morrison
2. Larry Bird
3. the rest are flukes
1) Mark Aguirre, Wrath of God (The GOAT)
2) Josh Howard
3) Jamal Mashburn
4) Dale Ellis
5) Jay Vincent at the 3
6) Detlef Schrempf
7) Adrian Griffin
8) Alex English (played one year with the Mavs)
9) Al Wood
10) Christian Laettner
rofmao marion
Larry Bird.
End of discussion.
Shawn Marion the fifth best SF of all-time? Dude isn't even a top five small forward right now in the NBA (LeBron, Carmelo, McGrady, JHoward and Pierce are all better ... and Carter, Deng, JSmith and Iguodala are right there with him, as well).
He's the third best player on his team. He disappears every year like clockwork in the playoffs. He's a pretty damn good regular season player and puts up good all-around numbers, but to put him in the top five small forwards of all-time is ludicrous. The Spurs have shown that if you guard him, he basically does nothing when it counts.
Marion better than Nique or King? Wow.
I would rank Josh Smith up there in the top 10 and maybe even top five because he is only going to get better.
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