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Are you being funny or sarcastic?
He is a top 10-15 I'd say.
I was just wondering...
Are you being funny or sarcastic?
He is a top 10-15 I'd say.
I don't know about the league, but he sure does play off Tim the best since David.
Let's hope the Fabricio of the playoffs doesn't disappear until next the 2008 playoffs.
I expect him to play with more confidence and aggression from now on because he's proved himself at the highest NBA level, a championship series.
Dude, he averaged 4 points and 4 rebounds per game in the finals. Not to mention his fg% and ft% dropped tremendously as opposed to the first 3 rounds.
I wouldn't exactly call that proving himself
Please God, let the season begin as soon as posible.
Bwahahahahahahahaha
I find that some people overrate Oberto after these playoffs. He has been very solid but he is still a very limited player :
- He isn't a good offensive player at all. What he does on the offensive end is kinda limited : screens, scoring when he is wide open and not breaking the flow of the offense.
- He is an average rebounder. He has some great fundamentals but he is short and can't jump.
- His defense is good but not great. He isn't a shot blocker and sometimes struggles against bigger and/or quicker players.
BTW, Oberto was a quite good offensive player in Europe and this quality hasn't translate at all in nba. We can think that this fact has been a factor in Spurs' choices made this summer.
Oberto is more a piece of a jigsaw than a great artistic painting.
He's a guy who assembles to a machine to make it work better.
To respond to the question, I'd say Oberto is one of best in the NBA at moving without the ball. I think his experience and his sense of when open space is available due to traps or help is what makes him so adept. Certainly Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudamire are strong and quick and move well without the ball, so they are up there at the top. They are far superior athletes and scorers. I'd also put Carlos Boozer up there at the top in this category.
Most of the things Fabricio does well in the court donīt show on the stats sheet(see:move well off the ball,drawing offensive fouls and tipping)
Last edited by ArgSpursFan; 09-10-2007 at 09:10 AM.
the opportunities oberto gets in the spurs O are totally different to the ones he got in europe, there is no comparison whatsoever. Im not arguing the spurs should be using oberto as a go-to guy because obviously we have better personnel to fill the scorer role but i dont think you can make a comparison like that at all- not to mention that when oberto was a go to guy he was more athletic whereas now he's older and playing against more athletic players. I remember in oberto's first season a lot of spurs fans complained pop wasn't using oberto to his strengths (facing him up for 15ft Js instead of trying to get him layups- and to his credit hes gotten better with that J). and even if oberto was a good offensive player in europe, he's never been on the level of scola in terms of offense (scola has more varied moves and is more prolific with them than oberto has ever been). so while i agree some people are still on the playoffs high (oberto will follow horry's example of hard work IMO), i think you cant make that comparison, nor speculate that it has any revelance to scola as they are different players in different stages of their careers.
All I know is Oberto came through in the 4th quarter of the last game in the playoffs. Can we say the same about Rasho/Nazr/Elson??? no.
he is the most valuable center since DRob
Include Timmy in that moving well without the ball group.
9 months ago some people on here were saying that Oberto was the worst starting center in the entire NBA
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Oberto isn't an opcion offensive with Tim in the paint, but he isn't going to be mad for that. He knows the role in the team, if Pop decide on him this season, he could get the ball more in O.
Tips not rebounds?. I must ask timvp or whorttt
Oberto plays well against bigger (Shaq, Z) and/or quicker players (Amare, Brand). He isn't a shot blocker but Oberto read so good the defense and he's in the right place defensive at the right time.
Oberto was a post scorer in Spain, he's a star in Fiba bb. In the Spurs, he's a role player, no more. So, he adapted well in SA and he's happy with his role.BTW, Oberto was a quite good offensive player in Europe and this quality hasn't translate at all in nba. We can think that this fact has been a factor in Spurs' choices made this summer.
Is Oberto the best big man in the L when it comes to moving without the ball?
ONE of the best.
Oberto offensive game hasn't declined with years in Europe.
Why Oberto isn't doing the same thing on the offensive end in SA than in Spain ? Because of Duncan/Spurs system or because he can't do what he does in Spain against nba teams ? I think that it's the second reason, Oberto scored better when Duncan is on the floor that when he is on the bench.
Scola is, without a doubt, a better offensive player than Oberto but they share the same kind of offensive games. Oberto's offensive game hasn't translated at all in nba. It's not a good sign for Scola
I don't know if I'd say he's the best at it, but he's probably the one with the highest BB IQ when it comes to moving without the ball. Or put another way, I think he'd be hands down the best if he were a little more athletic.
Oberto in Erick Dumpierīs body would be the next Drob.
Why does everything keep coming back to Scola?
Eric Dampier is at his best when he's cheating.
Come back and ask this in about 6 months, if you haven't already gotten your answer.Why does everything keep coming back to Scola?
I know,but because he doesnt even have half of Obertoīs BBIQs.Eric Dampier is at his best when he's cheating.
He isn't the best but he is in the top 5. Most big men in the league these days are braindead so Oberto is in a select group with BBall IQ.
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