McNabb needs to shut his mouth

[MoSpur]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308


African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb says in an interview scheduled to air on HBO on Tuesday night.

McNabb, in an interview on "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," tells interviewer James Brown that African-American quarterbacks such as himself face added pressure because there are fewer black QBs -- and because some still don't want black athletes playing the position.

"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."

Later in the interview, Brown presses McNabb on criticism of his performance -- and if African-American QBs are graded more harshly.

"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.

"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.

"Not everybody," McNabb replies.

Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.

"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes.
"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?

"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

[johnsmith]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3025308


African-American quarterbacks face more pressure and more criticism than their white counterparts, Philadelphia Eagles QB Donovan McNabb says in an interview scheduled to air on HBO on Tuesday night.

McNabb, in an interview on "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel," tells interviewer James Brown that African-American quarterbacks such as himself face added pressure because there are fewer black QBs -- and because some still don't want black athletes playing the position.

"There's not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra," McNabb tells HBO. "Because the percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play ... is low, so we do a little extra."

Later in the interview, Brown presses McNabb on criticism of his performance -- and if African-American QBs are graded more harshly.

"I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, [mimicking] 'Ah, he could've made this throw, they would have scored if he did this,' " McNabb tells HBO.

"Doesn't every quarterback go through that?" Brown asks.

"Not everybody," McNabb replies.

Brown then asks if the media is tougher on him than on white quarterbacks such as Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning.

"Let me start by saying I love those guys," McNabb tells HBO. "But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't."

In the interview, McNabb also talks to Brown about playing in Philadelphia, a city known for passionate sports fans who aren't afraid to criticize the city's pro athletes.
"Every year I'm part of some criticism," McNabb tells HBO. "But every day that we go through life, you're faced with a lot of adversity. Now the answer is how do you handle the adversity. How do you respond?

"I try to handle myself with class. I try to handle myself with dignity. I think sometimes people look to players to act out, speak loudly, pretty much be an idiot. But that's not me."

That's because Palmer and Manning are better then McNabb.

[peewee's lovechild]

TLWisfoine is going to chime in any minute now.

[monosylab1k]

The more I learn about McNabb, the more I think that HE was the bigger problem in Philly 2 years ago, and not T.O.

[MoSpur]

The more I learn about McNabb, the more I think that HE was the bigger problem in Philly 2 years ago, and not T.O.

I kind of agree. T.O was a problem there, but I think McNabb had something to do with it.

[Whisky Dog]

The more I learn about McNabb, the more I think that HE was the bigger problem in Philly 2 years ago, and not T.O.

Well as they say, "it takes two sticks to start a fire". TO was the vocal guy but I'm sure behind the scenes and away from TV cameras and reporters McNabb did his share of the rubbing.

As for TO, other than last season with the 911 emergency thing he really hasn't been too bad. A lot of the tension was because Parcells was too stubborn and did silly things like calling him "that player" and not addressing him by name. No matter who you are, whether you're TO or Peyton Manning, that's very disrespectful.

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That's because Palmer and Manning are better then McNabb.

Then how do you explain Marc Bulger, or Ben Rothlisberger, or Jake Delhomme, none of whom are better than McNabb, but never get criticized for nothing (at least not in comparison to McNabb)?

[Whisky Dog]

I've always thought McNabb took a lot of unnecessary over the last several years. The guy is a great QB and has done a lot with mediocre recievers around him (although Westbrook at RB is an absolute stud). When he had TO he showed he could get the ball deep and burn defenses. I think he does very well if you put him on the Pats, Colts, Cowboys, or Chargers.

[monosylab1k]

Then how do you explain Marc Bulger, or Ben Rothlisberger, or Jake Delhomme, none of whom are better than McNabb, but never get criticized for nothing (at least not in comparison to McNabb)?

Expectations are lower, probably. Nobody expects much out of Bulger or Delhomme, they're average QB's at best and neither of their teams are that great....meanwhile people are expecting McNabb to lead Philly to the SB, or close to it, every year.

and Ben gets a pass cuz of his ring.

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Expectations are lower, probably. Nobody expects much out of Bulger or Delhomme, they're average QB's at best and neither of their teams are that great....meanwhile people are expecting McNabb to lead Philly to the SB, or close to it, every year.

and Ben gets a pass cuz of his ring.

I don't see why their expectations are lower, considering they have better weapons to work with.

I would love to see what McNabb could do with Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, and Steven Jackson, or Steve Smith and Deshawn Foster, or Hines Ward and Willie Parker. With T.O. alone, he had a better year than any of those guys could ever dream of having. Give him Chad Johnson, T.J. Housh, and Rudi Johnson, and he probably puts up the same numbers as Palmer (considering he already has put up better numbers, with only 1 weapon), but is also a running threat. Also, for people who bash him so much, explain how he has the second best TD to INT ratio in NFL history, and has acquired that with crappy weapons year to year? Sure, that one year with T.O. bumped it up a but, but even before T.O., he was already in the top 5 all time.

[johnsmith]

Then how do you explain Marc Bulger, or Ben Rothlisberger, or Jake Delhomme, none of whom are better than McNabb, but never get criticized for nothing (at least not in comparison to McNabb)?

That's a good point.

[samikeyp]

Big Ben took tons of crap the summer and season after they won the Super Bowl because of his motorcycle accident and then he had a crappy season as well.

Delhomme heard the same the year after Carolina went to the SB because he had a crappy year too.

You don't hear much about Bulger because his team hasn't been as successful as the others.

FWIW, I think McNabb has been unfairly critiziced at times though.

[peewee's lovechild]

Bulger has been criticized in the past by the pundits saying that he was a product of Mike Martz's system and there was talk that Delhomme would be replaced by David Carr in any second.

I've never heard that McNabb is just a product of the Andy Reid system and that his backup should take his job. , they got rid of the backup that led them to the playoffs last season just so he wouldn't feel any pressure.

McNabb is just an insecure little and if he can't deal with the pressure of being the starting QB in Philadelphia anymore, he should just ask to be traded.

[monosylab1k]

Delhomme heard the same the year after Carolina went to the SB because he had a crappy year too.

I don't remember that at all. I remember excuses being made for him since Steve Smith got hurt and missed nearly the entire season.

[samikeyp]

I don't remember that at all. I remember excuses being made for him since Steve Smith got hurt and missed nearly the entire season.

I do. I should have put seasons though because you are right, some of that was deflected because of Smith.

My point was though, the QB is the position that most of the focus is on, when you win, that focus increases even more.

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Big Ben took tons of crap the summer and season after they won the Super Bowl because of his motorcycle accident and then he had a crappy season as well.

Delhomme heard the same the year after Carolina went to the SB because he had a crappy year too.

You don't hear much about Bulger because his team hasn't been as successful as the others.

FWIW, I think McNabb has been unfairly critiziced at times though.

Getting criticized for making a stupid ass desicion is completely different from getting criticized for your play. I didn't hear much crap from the media about his play. All I heard was excuses, that he hadn't recovered fully from his accident, had vision problems from the concussion, etc...

Delhomme really didn't get much crap. And a big reason they were bad the very next year was the loss of Steve Smith in the first game of the year, as well as a load of other injuries (which also was the excuse that the media gave him as well). The year after that, they were back in the NFC le game.

[MoSpur]

Who are the other Black quarterbacks taking a lot of heat?

I think if you're a horrible quarterback you get criticized period. Carr always got criticized. He had Andre Johnson. He had a sorry line, but still. Bledsoe was criticized as well. I think McNabb brings this onto himself. He always says he's not a bad guy and hates being in the media, but then always opens his mouth and says crap like this. He needs to get over it and get the job done.

[MoSpur]

Let's not forget about Harrington in Atlanta.

BTW, the Falcons going after Leftwich is a good idea.

[johnsmith]

WHo was one of the most ridiculed and scrutinized qb's in the league last season?????????????????????



REX GROSSMAN

[MoSpur]

WHo was one of the most ridiculed and scrutinized qb's in the league last season?????????????????????



REX GROSSMAN

Good point. He still is too.

[peewee's lovechild]

WHo was one of the most ridiculed and scrutinized qb's in the league last season?????????????????????



REX GROSSMAN

But, that's because he has a black uncle somewhere in his family.

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WHo was one of the most ridiculed and scrutinized qb's in the league last season?????????????????????



REX GROSSMAN

Who was also one of the most overrated and overhyped QB's in the league last season????????????????????????????????????

REX GROSSMAN (at least until he showed just how much he sucks in the SB)

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Who are the other Black quarterbacks taking a lot of heat?

Byron Leftwich, Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper

[peewee's lovechild]

Byron Leftwich, Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper

All three QBs who were dumped by their respective teams.

So, it seems like the scrutiny was well placed.

[MoSpur]

Byron Leftwich, Michael Vick, Daunte Culpepper

Culpepper is very good, but too bad he messed up his knee.
Vick, we all know what an amazing athlete he is. The guy has been blessed with a lot of endorsements. Too bad he messed it all up with the dog fighting issue.
Leftwich is an underachiever. He has his moments, but is not consistent.

All the above have been criticized, but so have Harrington, Grossman, Couch, Pennington, and so on.