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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    the Wing-nut pundits are trying to tie 9/11 with the Iranians now....


    Iran president asks to lay wreath at ground zero, request denied
    By PAT MILTON | Associated Press Writer
    7:04 PM EDT, September 19, 2007


    NEW YORK - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad asked permission to lay a wreath at the World Trade Center site when he comes to New York City next week, but the request was denied, a police official said Wednesday.

    The Iranian president, who is arriving Sunday to address the United Nations' General Assembly, had asked the police department, the U.S. Secret Service and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey earlier this month for permission to visit the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, police spokesman Paul Browne said.

    The police and Secret Service provide security to visiting heads of state.

    The request to enter the fenced-in site was rejected because of ongoing construction there, Browne said. "Requests for the Iranian president to visit the immediate area would also be opposed by the NYPD on security grounds," Browne said.

    Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said earlier Wednesday that the city was considering Ahmadinejad's request, but Browne said about two hours later that Kelly had misspoke.

    Kelly's comments prompted outcry from politicians and families of Sept. 11 victims.

    The Port Authority, which owns the trade center site and is the only agency that could grant Ahmadinejad permission to go inside, said it never received such a request, contradicting the police statement.

    "We have not been asked to accommodate the president of Iran," Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman said Wednesday.

    It wasn't clear whether Ahmadinejad wanted to descend to the base of the trade center site, where the fallen twin towers stood, or lay a wreath on a public sidewalk outside the site. Telephone calls to the Iranian Mission to the United Nations were not immediately returned.

    Kelly earlier said he did not know why Ahmadinejad expressed interest in the site. "I am not sure we have the rationale behind it," he said.

    White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said Wednesday that an Ahmadinejad visit to ground zero "is a matter for the city of New York, but it seems more than odd that the president of a country that is a state sponsor of terror would visit ground zero."

    The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Zalmay Khalilzad, told reporters Wednesday that the United States would not support Iran's attempt to use the site for a "photo op."

    "Iran can demonstrate its seriousness about concern with regard to terrorism by taking concrete actions," such as dropping support for Lebanese militant group Hezbollah and suspending their uranium enrichment program, Khalilzad said.

    Iran and the U.S. have not had diplomatic relations since Washington cut its ties with Tehran after Iranian students stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979. The Bush administration has accused Iran of arming Shiite Muslim militants in Iraq and seeking to develop nuclear weapons.

    In a television appearance earlier this week, Ahmadinejad said his country wanted peace and friendship with the United States, despite mounting tensions between the two countries.
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    Anyone remember that Iran condemned the 911 attacks?

    Tehran, Sept 11, IRNA -- Iranian President Mohammad Khatami on Tuesday condemned the kamikaze "terrorist" attacks in the United States and expressed his deep sorrow and sympathy with the American nation.

    "On behalf of the Iranian government and the nation, I condemn the
    hijacking attempts and terrorist attacks on public centers in American
    cities which have killed a large number of innocent people," President
    Khatami said in reaction to the worst attack on American soil since
    Pearl Harbor. Three hijacked planes slammed into the Pentagon and New
    York's landmark World Trade Center on Tuesday, demolishing the two
    110-story towers that symbolize U.S. financial might.

    "My deep sympathy goes out to the American nation, particularly
    those who have suffered from the attacks and also the families of the
    victims," he said, noting, "terrorism is doomed and the international
    community should stem it and take effective measures in a bid to
    eradicate it."

    Khatami added that the Islamic Republic is treading a road to
    uproot terrorism and to this end, he noted, it will spare no efforts.
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    Anything to placate the rabid wing-nut media though....


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    ^ "Everythings better with Bluebonnet on it"

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    Regardless of where that idiot stands on 9/11, the er is sending munitions to Iraq that is killing American soldiers. I can't believe he's even being allowed in the country. There's also evidence he gave safe haven to leading al Qaeda members fleeing Afghanistan.

    Another reason to send the U.N. packing.

    By the way, is no one else disturbed that a bunch of Iranian scientists, along with Syrian military officials, were killed in a chemical weapons accident in Syria?

    I swear, sometimes you idiot can't see from one issue to the next.

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    Regardless of where that idiot stands on 9/11, the er is sending munitions to Iraq that is killing American soldiers. I can't believe he's even being allowed in the country. There's also evidence he gave safe haven to leading al Qaeda members fleeing Afghanistan.

    Another reason to send the U.N. packing.

    By the way, is no one else disturbed that a bunch of Iranian scientists, along with Syrian military officials, were killed in a chemical weapons accident in Syria?

    I swear, sometimes you idiot can't see from one issue to the next.

    should i still be disturbed about hsu's political contributions?

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    Good thing we made securing the border crossings a priority when we decided to occupy Iraq.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    By the way, is no one else disturbed that a bunch of Iranian scientists, along with Syrian military officials, were killed in a chemical weapons accident in Syria?
    have you gone soft? you want us to feel bad about this?

    i wanted you to change your positions, but geez, you've gone flaming liberal.

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    2nd Verse Same as the 1st Oh, Gee!!'s Avatar
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    why not gift wrap the country of Iraq?

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    why not gift wrap the country of Iraq?
    Nah, we should drag out the occupation a few more years first.

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    Nah, we should drag out the occupation a few more years first.
    hey, the prez was a C minus student. cut him a break.

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    Regardless of where that idiot stands on 9/11, the er is sending munitions to Iraq that is killing American soldiers. I can't believe he's even being allowed in the country. There's also evidence he gave safe haven to leading al Qaeda members fleeing Afghanistan.

    Another reason to send the U.N. packing.

    By the way, is no one else disturbed that a bunch of Iranian scientists, along with Syrian military officials, were killed in a chemical weapons accident in Syria?

    I swear, sometimes you idiot can't see from one issue to the next.
    Can't you idiots connect all the unsubstantiated rumors like we did before we invaded and occupied Iraq?

    Where is Doug Feith when we need him?

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    should i still be disturbed about hsu's political contributions?
    His and that new Clinton bundler...Danielczyk, sure; you should. But, I'm gathering you're not. And what does that have to do with Iran?

    I think Ms. Clinton's gonna have some 'splainin' to do.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Two of the coalitions members, Saudi Arabia and Jordan, are arming the Sunni in Anbar province, the most dangerous in Iraq for coalition members, but I guess it's only OK when the U.S. dumps thousands of weapons into the country and loses track of them....

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    True enough. Is this a proxy war between the US and Iran or are we stuck in the middle of a proxy war between the greater Sunni and Shia worlds?

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    His and that new Clinton bundler...Danielczyk, sure; you should. But, I'm gathering you're not. And what does that have to do with Iran?

    I think Ms. Clinton's gonna have some 'splainin' to do.
    Yeah, trouble is, she's at slimy as Bill Clinton at avoiding real issues that could hurt her, and hardly ever gets called out by the M$M for clear discrepancies in policy....like her stand on Iraq...

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    True enough. Is this a proxy war between the US and Iran or are we stuck in the middle of a proxy war between the greater Sunni and Shia worlds?
    As I've posted before it a proxy war between...

    The U.S., Israel, the British, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, India and the UAE against Iran, Syria, Russia, China and North Korea, among a few smaller players (like what's left of the coalition of the willing)....

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    Any thoughts about what would happen if Ahmad-genocide went there anyway, to where the tourist can go, and someone took him out?

    Would that start a war between us and Iran?

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    no, much like a Queen in a Parliamentarian system, Ahmad is nothing but a figure-head in Iran...the real welders of power are the Ayatollahs...so when Ahmad says something though, he's really just placating the Iranian rulers....

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    no, much like a Queen in a Parliamentarian system, Ahmad is nothing but a figure-head in Iran...the real welders of power are the Ayatollahs...so when Ahmad says something though, he's really just placating the Iranian rulers....
    Still, they would take some action wouldn't they? Wouldn't they take it personally?

    Sure, they can get any monkey and give him a nice suit, and teach him the right words.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    They would make him a martyr and they would condemn us...but politically it would probably disenfranchise younger Iranians who may tend to be more pro-western, more secular....

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    They would make him a martyr and they would condemn us...but politically it would probably disenfranchise younger Iranians who may tend to be more pro-western, more secular....
    I think you are right. I am one who believe we stay away from acting against Iran for that reason. People in Iran my age and older remember what it was like before Ayatollah Khamenei came into power, and likely told their children. If I recall, they really liked the Shah. Under the monarchy before the Islamic Revolution, Iran was a pretty good place to live.

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    If I recall, they really liked the Shah. Under the monarchy before the Islamic Revolution, Iran was a pretty good place to live.
    yeah, you better at least pretend that you liked him. he made his problems disappear.

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    yeah, you better at least pretend that you liked him. he made his problems disappear.
    The group in power now don't?

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    Is it true that the actual reason he's coming here is because Columbia University WANTS him to speak at their campus?!?!?!?!????????????!!!!!!!!!

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    ^^Don't think so. Him and his buddy Hugo are going to speak
    at the UN, to a standing ovation I am sure, after all they are
    world leaders. Most powerful and generous, and besides they
    will bash the United States and especially George Bush. Which
    will make any number of people on this forum happy.

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    Is it true that the actual reason he's coming here is because Columbia University WANTS him to speak at their campus?!?!?!?!????????????!!!!!!!!!
    I don't know that the speech at Columbia is the reason for his visit, but it's something he'll do while in NYC.

    I don't get what's wrong with giving people an opportunity to hear what this guy has to say. People who are inclined to side with Ahamdinejad will side with him whether he speaks at CU or not; those who are inclined to see him as the enemy are likely to be emboldened in that stance by the things he might say in a speech at CU. But Columbia is renowned for inviting controversial speakers of all stripes to come onto campus and say what they will. I don't see that it ever hurts to hear what the enemy might have to say.

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