What is Patriotism?

[Mavtek]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClEBHdcJl8I

[SouthernFried]

Thanks man, I feel I just lost 50 IQ points watching this.

Just enough to put me solidly in the Democratic party camp tho...go Hilaree!

Now, where's my 5 grand for Jr's college?!

Gimme...

[George Gervin's Afro]

If you blindly support GWB you are a patriot. if you don't then you aren't very patriotic..

[Ignignokt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClEBHdcJl8I

this southern avenger also happens to run a video demanding whites not apologize for slavery, also said in the same video that the civil war being fought for slavery is as simplistic as thinking iraq is about oil.

[Ignignokt]

Look he's right about Patriotism.

Patriotism is Love for one's country.

That said, you could love your country but hate it's policies, and you'd still be a patriot.

But when one is anti soveriegn- pro UN, and has su ous reasons to oppose it's countries policies, his/her patriotism should be questioned.

When one is rooting for results to incriminate it's govt like a majority of the truthers, then that is not patriotism. When one roots for the enemy to demolish one's country, that is not patriotism.

Patriotism has nothing to do with opposing wire taps. This country and the cons ution have always altered the laws to secure it's people in times of war, see FDR and Lincoln.

Even though Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who chose security over liberty deserve neither," he was never a governor or president like lincoln who was at a crisis when this country was about to collapse.

Our govt is and country is Federal, our hearts are local and state.

THis is America.

[Mavtek]

Thanks man, I feel I just lost 50 IQ points watching this.

Just enough to put me solidly in the Democratic party camp tho...go Hilaree!

Now, where's my 5 grand for Jr's college?!

Gimme...

Please don't tell me you are trying to equate anything the SouthernAvenger writes with the Democratic Party?

[Mavtek]

this southern avenger also happens to run a video demanding whites not apologize for slavery, also said in the same video that the civil war being fought for slavery is as simplistic as thinking iraq is about oil.

Good, "whites" shouldn't apologize for slavery. I'm white and I can tell you I've researched my ancestry and none of my ancestors were slave owners. Further even if they were slave owners I wouldn't apologize for Slavery. I didn't commit slavery, if I were around during the time of slavery or civil rights persecution I'd have been one of the "whites" speaking out against these abhorrent racial tendencies. Should "whites" also apologize for the abhorrent treatment of blacks, Jews, Pols, and Asians during World War 2? Should Christians apologize for the crusades?

Ridiculous!

[Mavtek]

Look he's right about Patriotism.

Patriotism is Love for one's country.

That said, you could love your country but hate it's policies, and you'd still be a patriot.
I agree with you on both accounts

But when one is anti soveriegn- pro UN, and has su ous reasons to oppose it's countries policies, his/her patriotism should be questioned.

Yep I agree with you there, that's why one should really question Mr. Bush.

When one is rooting for results to incriminate it's govt like a majority of the truthers, then that is not patriotism. When one roots for the enemy to demolish one's country, that is not patriotism.

What the are you talking about?

Patriotism has nothing to do with opposing wire taps. This country and the cons ution have always altered the laws to secure it's people in times of war, see FDR and Lincoln.

The problem is we aren't at war with a tangible enemy, we are at war with a tactic. We are at war with an enemy with no navy, army, or air power. We are at war like we are at war on drugs.

Even though Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who chose security over liberty deserve neither," he was never a governor or president like lincoln who was at a crisis when this country was about to collapse.

Our govt is and country is Federal, our hearts are local and state.

Ridiculous, Benjamin Franklin was right, and FDR and Lincoln were very wrong. Lincoln killed 650,000 Americans and fueled hate for the north in the south for decades afterward all for his misguided attempt to preserve the union. FDR brought socialism to America all in order to restore jobs, the government gave everyone jobs. No one even asked the question where did the Government get all this money? FDR was power hungry to a T. You're right FDR subverted Civil rights, but mostly just for Japanese people, or Asian in general. Was that ok for you? Let's put all the Arab's in camps?

Are you really an American?

THis is America.

Correction, this used to be America, now we have people like you who think subverting the cons ution just because you think it will some how make you safer running around hollering Islamo fascists, Islamo fascists!

America was first and foremost about Liberty, what you speak of is sick and convoluted socialism.

[Ignignokt]

Correction, this used to be America, now we have people like you who think subverting the cons ution just because you think it will some how make you safer running around hollering Islamo fascists, Islamo fascists!

America was first and foremost about Liberty, what you speak of is sick and convoluted socialism.

You must be denying American history, FDR and Lincoln both suspended civil liberties in times of crisis. RFK wiretapped MLK, the list goes on.

[Mavtek]

You must be denying American history, FDR and Lincoln both suspended civil liberties in times of crisis. RFK wiretapped MLK, the list goes on.

I'm not denying history! I'm flat out saying they were wrong! I'm willing to say hindsight is 20/20!

We didn't need to put Asian's in concentration camps during World War 2, and we didn't need a war to preserve the Union.

[Ignignokt]

FDR did more than put asians in military camps.

[BonnerDynasty]

We should talk Switz into taking out France and Mexico.

[Wild Cobra]

this southern avenger also happens to run a video demanding whites not apologize for slavery, also said in the same video that the civil war being fought for slavery is as simplistic as thinking iraq is about oil.

The civil war wasn't about slavery. It was about "States Rights," which happened to include slavery!

Now I would agree that present day people should not apologize for the sins of our forefathers. We had noting to do with it!

The war in Iraq is not about oil. It's about enforcing international agreements, possible threats to us, and liberation.

[Mavtek]

Cobra you might wanna check out the Avenger's other candidate videos.

[clambake]

The war in Iraq is not about oil. It's about enforcing international agreements, possible threats to us, and liberation.

not true.

the new republic is about a never ending search to find the acceptable wrong. sit back and enjoy. bush can arm the sunni and shia, and make it last until Jan 09. he has given birth to civil slaughter that his minions (mild comma) will blame on others.

there is a beauty to this madness.........spend american taxes on both sides.....give every opponent money........which will be spent on weapons..... that will be offered by western interest......to all sides.

[Wild Cobra]

Look he's right about Patriotism.

Yes, but did he leave out a few inconvenient truths?

Patriotism is Love for one's country.

And then some. It means supporting your country too. You don't talk bad about instances like the Iraq war if you are patriotic unless you are absolutely certain you are right. Denigrate the reasons for war because you don't like the man or the mission is not patriotic. Unless you are absolutely certain you are right, you are a turncoat rather than a patriot.

That said, you could love your country but hate it's policies, and you'd still be a patriot.

That too is incomplete. It also means you follow the laws you disagree with. Work to change them, but follow the laws.

Definition; Patriot:

Devoted to the welfare of ones country.

If you care about your country, you use caution when using words of dissent. During times of war, you are even more cautious as not to embolden the enemy.

[Wild Cobra]

not true.

the new republic is about a never ending search to find the acceptable wrong. sit back and enjoy. bush can arm the sunni and shia, and make it last until Jan 09. he has given birth to civil slaughter that his minions (mild comma) will blame on others.

there is a beauty to this madness.........spend american taxes on both sides.....give every opponent money........which will be spent on weapons..... that will be offered by western interest......to all sides.

You know, I'm just tempted to put you and boutons back on IGNORE. Sure, you guys aren't being the s you were when I had you on IGNORE before, but you are just always so far off base, it makes no sense to read your material.

[Wild Cobra]

Cobra you might wanna check out the Avenger's other candidate videos.

Why?

I do agree with his primary like of thinking on what a patriot is, but I try not to spend as much time on the internet as I already do.

[Mavtek]

Why?

I do agree with his primary like of thinking on what a patriot is, but I try not to spend as much time on the internet as I already do.

Because he's an excellent writer/commentator. Spend less time on the internet? I'd like to spend more time on the internet. It is inherently a well of information, a well so vast that one could never tap it. I enjoy all the information the well has to offer. I soak in hours and hours per day and it leads me to much more well rounded opinions. I do this mostly because I like being right all the time.

[clambake]

You know, I'm just tempted to put you and boutons back on IGNORE. Sure, you guys aren't being the s you were when I had you on IGNORE before, but you are just always so far off base, it makes no sense to read your material.

I would never put anyone on ignore, especially you.

Watching you try to rewrite history is comedy gold.

[Extra Stout]

Good, "whites" shouldn't apologize for slavery. I'm white and I can tell you I've researched my ancestry and none of my ancestors were slave owners. Further even if they were slave owners I wouldn't apologize for Slavery. I didn't commit slavery, if I were around during the time of slavery or civil rights persecution I'd have been one of the "whites" speaking out against these abhorrent racial tendencies. Should "whites" also apologize for the abhorrent treatment of blacks, Jews, Pols, and Asians during World War 2? Should Christians apologize for the crusades?

Ridiculous!

I have Irish ancestors. I demand the English apologize for Irish oppression!

I have German ancestors. I demand the Swedish and French apologize for the Seventy Years' War! I demand the Italians apologize for wars against German tribes in Roman times! I demand Hungarians apologize for the marauding of the Huns! I demand the Mongolians apologize for Genghis Khan!

I have Lithuanian ancestors. I demand the Russians apologize for Soviet domination! I demand the French apologize for their military campaign under Napoleon! I demand that the German part of my ancestry apologize for Prussian and Hanseatic domination of Lithuanian lands!

I have Alsatian ancestors. I demand both the German and French parts of my ancestry apologize to one another!

I could go on and on. Until I receive all twenty-six apologies I am owed, there is no way I can be expected to function in society.

[clambake]

I have Irish ancestors. I demand the English apologize for Irish oppression!

I have German ancestors. I demand the Swedish and French apologize for the Seventy Years' War! I demand the Italians apologize for wars against German tribes in Roman times! I demand Hungarians apologize for the marauding of the Huns! I demand the Mongolians apologize for Genghis Khan!

I have Lithuanian ancestors. I demand the Russians apologize for Soviet domination! I demand the French apologize for their military campaign under Napoleon! I demand that the German part of my ancestry apologize for Prussian and Hanseatic domination of Lithuanian lands!

I have Alsatian ancestors. I demand both the German and French parts of my ancestry apologize to one another!

I could go on and on. Until I receive all twenty-six apologies I am owed, there is no way I can be expected to function in society.

i'm sorry X 20

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes, but did he leave out a few inconvenient truths?


And then some. It means supporting your country too. You don't talk bad about instances like the Iraq war if you are patriotic unless you are absolutely certain you are right. Denigrate the reasons for war because you don't like the man or the mission is not patriotic. Unless you are absolutely certain you are right, you are a turncoat rather than a patriot.


That too is incomplete. It also means you follow the laws you disagree with. Work to change them, but follow the laws.

Definition; Patriot:

Devoted to the welfare of ones country.

If you care about your country, you use caution when using words of dissent. During times of war, you are even more cautious as not to embolden the enemy.

and i thought you were pro first amendment.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes, but did he leave out a few inconvenient truths?


And then some. It means supporting your country too. You don't talk bad about instances like the Iraq war if you are patriotic unless you are absolutely certain you are right. Denigrate the reasons for war because you don't like the man or the mission is not patriotic. Unless you are absolutely certain you are right, you are a turncoat rather than a patriot.


Definition; Patriot:

Devoted to the welfare of ones country.

If you care about your country, you use caution when using words of dissent. During times of war, you are even more cautious as not to embolden the enemy.

So if I don't like Iraq mission I'm not patriotic? If I denigrate Bush then I'm not a patriot?Would pat Buchanon, who opposes the Iraq war, not be a patriot?

[TheProfessor]

And then some. It means supporting your country too. You don't talk bad about instances like the Iraq war if you are patriotic unless you are absolutely certain you are right. Denigrate the reasons for war because you don't like the man or the mission is not patriotic. Unless you are absolutely certain you are right, you are a turncoat rather than a patriot.

So the benchmark for dissent is absolute certainty? That's absurd. I wish our government had obeyed that kind of edict before actually going to war. If they can't even get their intelligence right, what are people supposed to think when we roll into a sovereign nation?

That too is incomplete. It also means you follow the laws you disagree with. Work to change them, but follow the laws.

I assume you are familiar with civil disobedience, and its importance to the civil rights movement?

Definition; Patriot:

Devoted to the welfare of ones country.

If you care about your country, you use caution when using words of dissent. During times of war, you are even more cautious as not to embolden the enemy.

Or a person who regards himself as a defender of individual rights when the government infringes upon them, at the expense of his God-given rights. Dissent is a necessary aspect of patriotism, especially in this country, it is fundamentally what makes us a strong nation and people.