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    The #1 U.S. M$M ignored story of 2007.....(and all time)...


    Unable to get a Western Newspaper to front-page her accusations, or any of the M$M to take up her case for that matter, despite many of her accusations being verified the members of the FEDS, including the FBI, the government whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds outlines Pakistan's role in U.S. espionage, 911, and the current Bhutto crisis for the times online of Britian...

    For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets

    A WHISTLEBLOWER has made a series of extraordinary claims about how corrupt government officials allowed Pakistan and other states to steal nuclear weapons secrets.

    Sibel Edmonds, a 37-year-old former Turkish language translator for the FBI, listened into hundreds of sensitive intercepted conversations while based at the agency’s Washington field office.

    She approached The Sunday Times last month after reading about an Al-Qaeda terrorist who had revealed his role in training some of the 9/11 hijackers while he was in Turkey.

    Edmonds described how foreign intelligence agents had enlisted the support of US officials to acquire a network of moles in sensitive military and nuclear ins utions.

    Pakistan: heart of a global crisis


    The same pressures threatening Musharraf’s position have undermined Chuck Prince’s position
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    Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the US State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan.

    The name of the official – who has held a series of top government posts – is known to The Sunday Times. He strongly denies the claims.

    However, Edmonds said: “He was aiding foreign operatives against US interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives.”


    She claims that the FBI was also gathering evidence against senior Pentagon officials – including household names – who were aiding foreign agents.

    “If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials,” she said.


    Her story shows just how much the West was infiltrated by foreign states seeking nuclear secrets. It illustrates how western government officials turned a blind eye to, or were even helping, countries such as Pakistan acquire bomb technology.

    The wider nuclear network has been monitored for many years by a joint Anglo-American intelligence effort. But rather than shut it down, investigations by law enforcement bodies such as the FBI and Britain’s Revenue & Customs have been aborted to preserve diplomatic relations.

    Edmonds, a fluent speaker of Turkish and Farsi, was recruited by the FBI in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. Her previous claims about incompetence inside the FBI have been well do ented in America.

    She has given evidence to closed sessions of Congress and the 9/11 commission, but many of the key points of her testimony have remained secret. She has now decided to divulge some of that information after becoming disillusioned with the US authorities’ failure to act.

    One of Edmonds’s main roles in the FBI was to translate thousands of hours of conversations by Turkish diplomatic and political targets that had been covertly recorded by the agency.

    A backlog of tapes had built up, dating back to 1997, which were needed for an FBI investigation into links between the Turks and Pakistani, Israeli and US targets. Before she left the FBI in 2002 she heard evidence that pointed to money laundering, drug imports and attempts to acquire nuclear and conventional weapons technology.

    “What I found was damning,” she said. “While the FBI was investigating, several arms of the government were shielding what was going on.”

    The Turks and Israelis had planted “moles” in military and academic ins utions which handled nuclear technology. Edmonds says there were several transactions of nuclear material every month, with the Pakistanis being among the eventual buyers. “The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,” she said.

    They were helped, she says, by the high-ranking State Department official who provided some of their moles – mainly PhD students – with security clearance to work in sensitive nuclear research facilities. These included the Los Alamos nuclear laboratory in New Mexico, which is responsible for the security of the US nuclear deterrent.

    In one conversation Edmonds heard the official arranging to pick up a $15,000 cash bribe. The package was to be dropped off at an agreed location by someone in the Turkish diplomatic community who was working for the network.

    The Turks, she says, often acted as a conduit for the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan’s spy agency, because they were less likely to attract su ion. Venues such as the American Turkish Council in Washington were used to drop off the cash, which was picked up by the official.

    Edmonds said: “I heard at least three transactions like this over a period of 2½ years. There are almost certainly more.”

    The Pakistani operation was led by General Mahmoud Ahmad, then the ISI chief.

    Intercepted communications showed Ahmad and his colleagues stationed in Washington were in constant contact with attachés in the Turkish embassy.

    Intelligence analysts say that members of the ISI were close to Al-Qaeda before and after 9/11. Indeed, Ahmad was accused of sanctioning a $100,000 wire payment to Mohammed Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers, immediately before the attacks.

    The results of the espionage were almost certainly passed to Abdul Qadeer Khan, the Pakistani nuclear scientist.

    Khan was close to Ahmad and the ISI. While running Pakistan’s nuclear programme, he became a millionaire by selling atomic secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea. He also used a network of companies in America and Britain to obtain components for a nuclear programme.

    Khan caused an alert among western intelligence agencies when his aides met Osama Bin Laden. “We were aware of contact between A Q Khan’s people and Al-Qaeda,” a former CIA officer said last week. “There was absolute panic when we initially discovered this, but it kind of panned out in the end.”

    It is likely that the nuclear secrets stolen from the United States would have been sold to a number of rogue states by Khan.

    Edmonds was later to see the scope of the Pakistani connections when it was revealed that one of her fellow translators at the FBI was the daughter of a Pakistani embassy official who worked for Ahmad. The translator was given top secret clearance despite protests from FBI investigators.

    Edmonds says packages containing nuclear secrets were delivered by Turkish operatives, using their cover as members of the diplomatic and military community, to contacts at the Pakistani embassy in Washington.

    Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on su ion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks.

    Edmonds said the State Department official once again proved useful. “A primary target would call the official and point to names on the list and say, ‘We need to get them out of the US because we can’t afford for them to spill the beans’,” she said. “The official said that he would ‘take care of it’.”

    The four suspects on the list were released from interrogation and extradited.

    Edmonds also claims that a number of senior officials in the Pentagon had helped Israeli and Turkish agents.

    “The people provided lists of potential moles from Pentagon-related ins utions who had access to databases concerning this information,” she said.

    “The handlers, who were part of the diplomatic community, would then try to recruit those people to become moles for the network. The lists contained all their ‘hooking points’, which could be financial or sexual pressure points, their exact job in the Pentagon and what stuff they had access to.”

    One of the Pentagon figures under investigation was Lawrence Franklin, a former Pentagon analyst, who was jailed in 2006 for passing US defence information to lobbyists and sharing classified information with an Israeli diplomat.

    “He was one of the top people providing information and packages during 2000 and 2001,” she said.

    Once acquired, the nuclear secrets could have gone anywhere. The FBI monitored Turkish diplomats who were selling copies of the information to the highest bidder.

    Edmonds said: “Certain greedy Turkish operators would make copies of the material and look around for buyers. They had agents who would find potential buyers.”

    In summer 2000, Edmonds says the FBI monitored one of the agents as he met two Saudi Arabian businessmen in Detroit to sell nuclear information that had been stolen from an air force base in Alabama. She overheard the agent saying: “We have a package and we’re going to sell it for $250,000.”

    Edmonds’s employment with the FBI lasted for just six months. In March 2002 she was dismissed after accusing a colleague of covering up illicit activity involving Turkish nationals.

    She has always claimed that she was victimised for being outspoken and was vindicated by an Office of the Inspector General review of her case three years later. It found that one of the contributory reasons for her sacking was that she had made valid complaints.

    The US attorney-general has imposed a state secrets privilege order on her, which prevents her revealing more details of the FBI’s methods and current investigations.

    Her allegations were heard in a closed session of Congress, but no action has been taken and she continues to campaign for a public hearing.

    She was able to discuss the case with The Sunday Times because, by the end of January 2002, the justice department had shut down the programme.

    The senior official in the State Department no longer works there. Last week he denied all of Edmonds’s allegations: “If you are calling me to say somebody said that I took money, that’s outrageous . . . I do not have anything to say about such stupid ridiculous things as this.”

    In researching this article, The Sunday Times has talked to two FBI officers (one serving, one former) and two former CIA sources who worked on nuclear proliferation. While none was aware of specific allegations against officials she names, they did provide overlapping corroboration of Edmonds’s story.

    One of the CIA sources confirmed that the Turks had acquired nuclear secrets from the United States and shared the information with Pakistan and Israel. “We have no indication that Turkey has its own nuclear ambitions. But the Turks are traders. To my knowledge they became big players in the late 1990s,” the source said.
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    Larisa Alexandrovna at Huff Post writes...

    Sibel Edmonds, the FBI whistle-blower who has been gagged for years by the Bush administration over intercepts she translated while at the bureau, was willing to go to prison to get her story told. She spent years trying to get her day in court, but the State Secrets gag against her prohibited her from telling her story even to a FISA judge. After years of trying to fight her way to through the maze of the US court system, Sibel Edmonds finally decided to tell her story no matter the consequences and offered to do so to any interested US media outlets.

    Today, part of that story runs, but not in the United States, where not a single corporate outlet was willing to displease the White House and give Edmonds a platform. The Sunday Times Online, however, proved up to the task - somewhat.

    Let me help the Times here. The person against whom these allegations are being made is Marc Grossman. The Times could have published the name and also provided the denial from Grossman's camp. I find it incredibly disturbing that they would not name the official.

    ....

    Those senior DOD officials who are not mentioned in the Times article, all but one are no longer in government. They are alleged to be Doug Feith, Richard Perle, among others. There is also one person who is part of these allegations, still serving in a high level position at the DOD. His last name begins with an E.

    I have tried getting someone in broadcast and print media to run this story. My sources did not include Edmonds, but because of the sensitive nature of the information, I was concerned that she would go to jail anyway, unless I proved she was not a source - which would require me to reveal my sources.

    I thought if I approached a big enough news outlet, the pressure generated by the public response would spare Edmonds jail time and I would not be pressured to reveal sources - something I would not have done anyway. Even a former high ranking CIA officer offered to byline the article with me if that would help sell a broadcaster/publication on running the story. No one was interested.

    That the Times ran these allegations (she is under a state secrets gag folks, so it is not like she is gagged for lying) is encouraging. But that they omitted all names from the allegations is unethical. The point of a free press is not to protect the powerful against the weak, but to protect the public from the powerful. The Times was willing to stick a toe in, but was not willing to risk upsetting a foreign government (This is, after all, a British paper).

    There are more names, including members of Congress and people serving in the FBI. This is what happens when basic government services as well as the most sensitive government functions are outsourced to the global marketplace.

    ...

    Let me again offer help to the good folks at the Times. The person in question is a Turkish military official who at that time also happened to sit on the board of a particular defense contracting firm.

    ....

    Edmonds says packages containing nuclear secrets were delivered by Turkish operatives, using their cover as members of the diplomatic and military community, to contacts at the Pakistani embassy in Washington. Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on su ion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks.

    Edmonds said the State Department official once again proved useful. "A primary target would call the official and point to names on the list and say, 'We need to get them out of the US because we can't afford for them to spill the beans'," she said. "The official said that he would 'take care of it'."

    Read the whole thing. I urge you to print it, email it, share it with everyone you know. Edmonds has said enough now that she may very likely go to prison, but she is a true patriot and she must have our support, in the media and also in the public sphere.
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    Well, this is an interesting case, but in a realm where secrecy is necessary, Sibel is flat out wrong to talk about it. She read and translated material from the 90's onward. OK, fine. She uncovered criminal activity that has been looked into. What more does she want other than a vendetta? Her case was looked at, agreed she was dismissed because of her pushing the information she uncovered.

    Guess what.

    Her firing is likely justified. They could have seen her as a security issue, and she proved to be just that by telling us this story!

    Now let me rephrase that. They terminated her contract. It's not like she was a permanent employee, or anything. However, regardless of what the truth is, the mere fact she talks about classified issues like she does shows she was not capable of being entrusted with such information.

    These are things that you let internal affairs handle. Not the public. What she learned, and talked about likely has hampered those trying to put the others in jail. Such information, when it becomes known that a moles are known to exist, simply puts the moles in hibernation. Her talking could have prevented justice from occurring.

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    "let internal affairs handle."

    .... and result was?

    yes, her whistleblowing is a bigger crime that what she alleges? right, got it.

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    "let internal affairs handle."

    .... and result was?

    yes, her whistleblowing is a bigger crime that what she alleges? right, got it.
    No, I doubt you get it, but I'll humor you. Her actions may or may not be a crime. I don't know the full details, and maybe in 20 years we will know. Just like in 1996, when project Venona was finally declassified, we learned that McCarthy was right!

    Anyone who has dealt with classified material gets certain briefings. I cannot recount all the intricacies, but all disclosure must be authorized by someone who not only knows how to judge such things, but is the authority to do so. Most often, classified information is "compartmentalized" so that no one individual below management levels fully understands the information. Being incomplete information, incorrect assumptions can be made. Even if by the nature of her translation job, she knew the truth about a subject, does she know the why?

    What is a sting operation was going on, and she blew it?

    There are too many scenarios that could have occurred. We could have even been feeding false information, of which now could have been exposed. At least the operatives put in place to appear as traitors, can no longer be used as such, if that was the case.

    Often, people think they are doing the right thing in exposing secrets. However, it is not their decision to make. There might be more secrets behind the secrets, and good reasons to do what is being done.

    That is only a small part of possibilities. I am not even going to attempt to remember the several scenarios I learned in dealing with classified materials. I dealt with classified NATO, DOD, JCS, SOCEUR, etc. primarily while I served in the nuclear theater, but understand military cryptography as well.

    Still, my argument was about her being dismissed for cause. Her actions after her dismissal proved it justified. It does appear she is careful not to disclose the classified material she knows as fact. Still, her public statements could have done harm.

    Very simple people. You do not talk about classified subjects like she did.

    I believe this is an aftermath of her discovery. Too bad she didn't work within the system:

    Larry Franklin and Two AIPAC Members Indicted for Espionage

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    Could this biggest unreported story ever finally be gaining some traction?

    The Story We've All Been Waiting For

    Furthermore, this new revelation ties in the Valerie Plame scandal with this one. Check it out -- Brewster Jennings, the company that was Plame's CIA front, was investigating this very scandal when she was outed and her career -- and presumably the work on this case -- destroyed by the Bush administration:

    Brewster Jennings

    The official do ent obtained by The Times has some very damning evidence regarding Marc Grossman, former #3 at the State Department and former Ambassador to Turkey. Two weeks ago, The Times ran an explosive article detailing how Marc Grossman was a mole for foreign criminal groups which stole American nuclear secrets and sold them to the highest bidder.

    According to the latest Times article, http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east... they have an anonymous letter which:

    ...claims the government official (Grossman) warned a Turkish member of the network that they should not deal with a company called Brewster Jennings because it was a CIA front company investigating the nuclear black market. The official’s warning came two years before Brewster Jennings was publicly outed when one of its staff, Valerie Plame, was revealed to be a CIA agent in a case that became a cause célèbre in the US.

    Former CIA agent Phil Giraldi, who was stationed in Turkey, is another who is familiar with these matters. Giraldi wrote a terrific article for the American Conservative in 2006 describing Sibel's case. In Kill The Messenger, a do entary about the nuclear black market element of Sibel case, Giraldi says:

    "And that Brewster Jennings was, apparently, working against the target of Turkey, meaning that Turkey was being investigated by the CIA as a proliferator of weapons."

    One of Brewster Jennings targets was the American Turkish Council, a lobbying group known to be a hub of the activity facilitating the theft and sale of nuclear secrets, among other things.

    Journalist Chris Deliso wrote a terrific article in Nov 2005 linking Marc Grossman, Brewster Jennings, the American Turkish Council and the Turkish connection to the nuclear black market. Although the new Times article doesn't mention Grossman by name, it is clear that Grossman is again the unnamed former official in this article.
    Daily Kos

    Grossman met with 9/11 financier Mahmoud Ahmed on 9/10/01.

    Do the Math

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    The political connections run deep, the conspirators have the power of the force, but this story must be told....

    Grossman met with 9/11 financier Mahmoud Ahmed on 9/10/01.

    One man described as a pillar of the ATC that Edmonds has been able to talk about is Marc Grossman. http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/09/doug-feith-ric... The same Marc Grossman who told Scooter Libby on June 11 or 12, 2003, more than a month before Novak’s column, about Wilson’s wife working at the CIA. http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001046.php The same Marc Grossman mentioned in the 1st edition of American Judas who had a meeting that was reported on September 10, 2001, as “most important” with General Mahmoud Ahmad, who resigned from being Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) Chief the following month in the wake of an investigation by Times of India, confirmed by the FBI, that he authorized ISI agent Omar Saeed Sheikh to wire transfer $100,000 in August 2001 to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker of the 9/11 attacks. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essays... When questioned in April 2006 by director Mathieu Verboud for an interview that was later cut out of a do entary about Sibel Edmonds led Kill the Messenger, Grossman claimed he didn’t know anything about Sibel Edmonds or Valerie Plame. This cannot be true, according to Edmonds, because Grossman was one of three officials – the other two, she says, are Richard Perle and Douglas Feith – who had been watched by both Valerie Plame's Brewster Jennings & Associates CIA team, and by the major FBI investigation of organized crime and governmental corruption on which she herself was working until being terminated in April 2002. http://sibeledmonds.blogspot.com/2006/09/doug-feith-ric...

    Now that yet another motivation for Cheney to blow Plame’s cover has been revealed, the role that Turkey plays in this game of “many dark actors” appears much larger. Edmonds has researched this extensively and wrote about it in a two part article in November 2006 led The Hijacking of a Nation. To quote: “Turkey played a major role in Pakistan and Libya's illicit activities in obtaining nuclear technologies. In June 2004, Stephen Fidler, a reporter for Financial Times reported that in 2003, Turkish centrifuge motors and converters destined for Libya's nuclear weapons program turned up in Tripoli aboard a ship that had sailed from Dubai. One of those detained individuals in this incident, a 'respected and successful' Turkish Businessman, Selim Alguadis, was cited in a public report from the Malaysian inspector-general of police into the Malaysian end of a Pakistani-led clandestine network that supplied Libya, Iran and North Korea with nuclear weapons technologies, designs and expertise. According to the report, "he supplied these materials to Libya." Mr. Alguadis also confessed that he had on several occasions met A Q Khan, the disgraced Pakistani scientist who has admitted transmitting nuclear expertise to the three countries”. http://www.counterpunch.org/edmonds11292006.html

    One more dot to connect: is Cheney directly affiliated with any of the “semi-legitimate organizations” in this international criminal conspiracy? While only a thorough binding investigation with subpoena power can determine this, the gagged former FBI translator has left a trail of breadcrumbs pointing investigators in the appropriate direction. Again from The Hijacking of a Nation, 'ATC is joined in the creation of the New EuroAsia by the American Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (AACC). AACC's Honorary Council of Advisors just happens to have General Scowcroft and the following persons of significance: Henry Kissinger and James Baker III. Former Council members include Cheney and Richard Armitage, and Board of Trustee members include media-overkill subject Richard Perle of AEI, and Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas.' http://www.counterpunch.org/edmonds11292006.html

    Interesting that Cheney is listed as having resigned from the AACC in November 2000. As though leaving the organization a month before the Supreme Court selected him to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency could cover up the fact that this American Judas has made more money selling the security of his country out for the greater profits of drugs, money laundering, arms sales and international terrorism than the 30 pieces of silver the Biblical Judas sold his friend Jesus Christ out for. This is a story that cannot be swept under the rug. It is a huge story, sometimes daunting, but it must be told, and those who are in the best position to tell it must no longer be silenced by a government that claims to be of the people, for the people and by the people. We, the people, hunger for the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The outline of the truth has been mapped in this paper, but there are many more pieces of the puzzle to discover. It’s important to remember that no matter how many stories are listed here, it is still just one story. But to get the whole story, we must have a whole investigation. Nothing in our lifetime could be more important, because there is no greater endeavor than establishing justice. It’s what our Founding Fathers listed first in the Cons ution for their priorities of forming “a more perfect union”. We owe it to them, and ourselves, to see the truth through to the end.
    American Judas

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    Apparently Rupert thinks this story is not "FIT" for his US publications.

    All the News that Fits Rupert's corporate Agenda (and friends).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harry-...h_b_82552.html

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    Christ...just post the whole freakin' web sites from now on. Then some people on the right can just post their websites...and we can have a website vs website debate. No strenuous thinking involved at all.

    Better yet, go outside and play in the neighborhood every now and then. Fresh air will do you good.

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    The political connections run deep, the conspirators have the power of the force, but this story must be told....
    If you say so.

    Dan, are you insane?

    Some say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

    Ther are ten threads that mention Sibel. Six of them were stared by you, and I'll bet if I were to look, the other four have Sibel first mentioned by you.

    I gave a very detailed and most probable explaination, yet you persist.

    I ask again. Are you insane?


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    old dan got the story out and out and out and out and out.
    You might say he is a whistleblower. You might say!

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    Sixteen days after the UK Times' published a blockbuster article, For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets, about how certain top US government officials were enabling Turkish and Israeli interests in supplying the nuclear black market, President Bush quietly announced on Tuesday that he wants Congress to approve sales of nuclear technology to Turkey....but people like WC still insist that the Sibel Edmonds case has no legs...

    Is this a reaction to the Times article? It sure looks like it. I wouldn't be surprised if we soon start hearing about retroactive immunity for the guilty parties, just as we are seeing in the illegal spying case currently in the Senate.

    As always happens in this case, the silence in the US media is deafening.

    Two years ago, Bush's efforts to sell nuclear technology prompted much “ indignation and furor," but not a single major US media outlet has yet reported the proposed deal with Turkey. Agence France-Presse put out a report on its wires which has been picked up around the world, but that's about it.

    The White House press release says that Bill Clinton agreed to the deal in 2000:

    However, immediately after signature, U.S. agencies received information that called into question the conclusions that had been drawn in the required NPAS (Nuclear Proliferation Assessment Statement) and the original classified annex, specifically, information implicating Turkish private en ies in certain activities directly relating to nuclear proliferation. Consequently, the Agreement was not submitted to the Congress and the executive branch undertook a review of the NPAS evaluation.
    It would certainly be interesting to know which "Turkish private en ities" Bush is referring to here. If he had said "Turkish private companies" instead, we could be comfortable in presuming that he was referring to the two named Turkish companies involved in A.Q. Khan's network, EKA and ETI Elektroteknik The phrase "en ies" on the other hand is broader, and could very well include the American Turkish Council, the 'en y' named in the Times article as well as other articles about Sibel Edmonds case.

    The timing here is also interesting; "immediately after" Clinton approved the deal in July 2000, US agencies became aware of this Turkish involvement in the AQ Khan network. This was fully three years before the Khan network was officially exposed.

    The White House press release continues with some curiously descriptive narrative:

    "My Administration has completed the NPAS review as well as an evaluation of actions taken by the Turkish government to address the proliferation activities of certain Turkish en ies (once officials of the U.S. Government brought them to the Turkish government's attention)."

    Given that the entire press release is basically written in 'legalese', this unnecessary parenthetical aside stands out like a sore thumb. I wonder who injected this statement into the announcement, and why. It sure looks like butt-covering to me, given the latest revelations in the Times.

    The phrase 'once officials...' also appears to be a curious formulation. I'm not overly familiar with presidential statements and US government protocols, but I would imagine that "Agencies" or "Departments" would normally communicate with foreign governments on such important matters, and I would imagine that presidential statements would normally refer to such agencies, rather than 'officials.' Perhaps I'm wrong, and perhaps this is common practice, but it sure looks like an attempt to exonerate certain individuals such as Marc Grossman who was accused of some very serious crimes in the Times article.

    Who were these officials? How, when, and in what format, did they bring this information to the Turkish government? I'd like to see the official communication, please.

    And what, exactly, has the Turkish government done to 'address these proliferation activities'? We know that ETA and EKI continue to operate, and as far as I know haven't been penalized. The press release says that this information is all classified.

    Summary for those who have a 4th grade attention span:

    It appears as though certain administration officials have been illegally supplying the Turkish nuclear program for years, and now that they've been publicly outed, the Bush administration will simply make the entire program legal, just as they are trying to do with the illegal spying.

    Congress has 90 days to amend or block this legislation, otherwise it automatically becomes law.

    We need public open hearings to determine which officials have been supplying the nuclear black market before this becomes law.

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    http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/

    Is this where you're getting it all?

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    Sixteen days after the UK Times' published a blockbuster article, For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets, about how certain top US government officials were enabling Turkish and Israeli interests in supplying the nuclear black market, President Bush quietly announced on Tuesday that he wants Congress to approve sales of nuclear technology to Turkey....but people like WC still insist that the Sibel Edmonds case has no legs...
    That's not quite what I said, or implied. There may be truth to what is said by Sibel, but I doubt it. There simply is not enough evidence to draw a correct conclusion.

    Do you mean these announcements:

    Memorandum for the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Energy :

    January 22, 2008
    Presidential Determination
    No. 2008-8
    SUBJECT: Determination on the Proposed Agreement for Cooperation Between the United States of America and the Republic of Turkey Concerning Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy

    I have considered the proposed Agreement for Cooperation Between the United States of America and the Republic of Turkey Concerning Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy, signed at Ankara on July 26, 2000, along with the views, recommendations, and statements of interested agencies.

    I approve the proposed Agreement and have determined the performance of the Agreement will promote, and will not cons ute an unreasonable risk to, the common defense and security.

    The Secretary of State is authorized to publish this determination in the Federal Register.

    GEORGE W. BUSH
    And this:

    :
    Message to the Congress of the United States

    TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:

    I transmit to the Congress, pursuant to sections 123 b. and 123 d. of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended (42 U.S.C. 2153(b),(d))(the "Act"), the text of the proposed Agreement for Cooperation between the United States of America and the Republic of Turkey Concerning Peaceful Uses of Nuclear Energy (the "Agreement") together with a copy of the unclassified Nuclear Proliferation Assessment Statement (NPAS) and of my approval of the proposed Agreement and determination that the proposed Agreement will promote, and will not cons ute an unreasonable risk to, the common defense and security. The Secretary of State will submit the classified NPAS and accompanying annexes separately in appropriate secure channels.

    The Agreement was signed on July 26, 2000, and President Clinton approved and authorized execution and made the determinations required by section 123 b. of the Act (Presidential Determination 2000 26, 65 FR 44403 (July 18, 2000)). However, immediately after signature, U.S. agencies received information that called into question the conclusions that had been drawn in the required NPAS and the original classified annex, specifically, information implicating Turkish private en ies in certain activities directly relating to nuclear proliferation. Consequently, the Agreement was not submitted to the Congress and the executive branch undertook a review of the NPAS evaluation.

    My Administration has completed the NPAS review as well as an evaluation of actions taken by the Turkish government to address the proliferation activities of certain Turkish en ies (once officials of the U.S. Government brought them to the Turkish government's attention). The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Energy, and the members of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission are confident that the pertinent issues have been sufficiently resolved and that there is a sufficient basis (as set forth in the classified annexes, which will be transmitted separately by the Secretary of State) to proceed with congressional review of the Agreement and, if legislation is not enacted to disapprove it, to bring the Agreement into force.

    In my judgment, entry into force of the Agreement will serve as a strong incentive for Turkey to continue its support for nonproliferation objectives and enact future sound nonproliferation policies and practices. It will also promote closer political and economic ties with a NATO ally, and provide the necessary legal framework for U.S. industry to make nuclear exports to Turkey's planned civil nuclear sector.

    This transmittal shall cons ute a submittal for purposes of both section 123 b. and 123 d. of the Act. My Administration is prepared to begin immediate consultations with the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the House Foreign Affairs Committee as provided in section 123 b. Upon completion of the period of 30 days of continuous session provided for in section 123 b., the period of 60 days of continuous session provided for in section 123 d. shall commence.

    GEORGE W. BUSH

    THE WHITE HOUSE,

    January 22, 2008.
    I only see this for the development as nuclear power. Not weapons. Looks like the arrangement has been stalled because of the possible security risk of one of the players.

    Is this a reaction to the Times article? It sure looks like it. I wouldn't be surprised if we soon start hearing about retroactive immunity for the guilty parties, just as we are seeing in the illegal spying case currently in the Senate.

    As always happens in this case, the silence in the US media is deafening.
    Two years ago, Bush's efforts to sell nuclear technology prompted much “ indignation and furor," but not a single major US media outlet has yet reported the proposed deal with Turkey. Agence France-Presse put out a report on its wires which has been picked up around the world, but that's about it.
    Maybe because there is not story here?

    The White House press release says that Bill Clinton agreed to the deal in 2000:
    Maybe because it all falls on president Clinton, not president Bush. Why would the biased media like the Clinton News Network (CNN) report anything negative about president Clinton?

    Trust me. It a story had legs to make president Bush look bad, we would hear it non-stop.

    It would certainly be interesting to know which "Turkish private en ities" Bush is referring to here. If he had said "Turkish private companies" instead, we could be comfortable in presuming that he was referring to the two named Turkish companies involved in A.Q. Khan's network, EKA and ETI Elektroteknik The phrase "en ies" on the other hand is broader, and could very well include the American Turkish Council, the 'en y' named in the Times article as well as other articles about Sibel Edmonds case.

    The timing here is also interesting; "immediately after" Clinton approved the deal in July 2000, US agencies became aware of this Turkish involvement in the AQ Khan network. This was fully three years before the Khan network was officially exposed.

    The White House press release continues with some curiously descriptive narrative:
    "My Administration has completed the NPAS review as well as an evaluation of actions taken by the Turkish government to address the proliferation activities of certain Turkish en ies (once officials of the U.S. Government brought them to the Turkish government's attention)."
    Given that the entire press release is basically written in 'legalese', this unnecessary parenthetical aside stands out like a sore thumb. I wonder who injected this statement into the announcement, and why. It sure looks like butt-covering to me, given the latest revelations in the Times.
    I read it differently. I see it as the USA having concerns of some en ies within Turkey, and they discussed their concerns. It speaks of evaluating the Turkish government of addressing concerns of proliferation, right?

    The phrase 'once officials...' also appears to be a curious formulation. I'm not overly familiar with presidential statements and US government protocols, but I would imagine that "Agencies" or "Departments" would normally communicate with foreign governments on such important matters, and I would imagine that presidential statements would normally refer to such agencies, rather than 'officials.' Perhaps I'm wrong, and perhaps this is common practice, but it sure looks like an attempt to exonerate certain individuals such as Marc Grossman who was accused of some very serious crimes in the Times article.
    Keep in mind, this is a message to congress. They might have added a specify a point so those who use partisan attacks couldn't twist it for something else, like they do oh-so-often.

    Who were these officials? How, when, and in what format, did they bring this information to the Turkish government? I'd like to see the official communication, please.
    Reread it. It's clear as day that there was concern of the integrity of certain Turkish en ies.

    And what, exactly, has the Turkish government done to 'address these proliferation activities'? We know that ETA and EKI continue to operate, and as far as I know haven't been penalized. The press release says that this information is all classified.
    Ask someone who knows, but I doubt they will tell us. Probably a Turkish company that is into the black market. Protection of secrecies and sources would not allow such information to be released.

    Perfect reason why Sibel may have become a liability.

    It appears as though certain administration officials have been illegally supplying the Turkish nuclear program for years, and now that they've been publicly outed, the Bush administration will simply make the entire program legal, just as they are trying to do with the illegal spying.
    Congress has 90 days to amend or block this legislation, otherwise it automatically becomes law.
    For that to be true, it has already been approved in the past. Otherwise, why must they act?

    We need public open hearings to determine which officials have been supplying the nuclear black market before this becomes law.
    Sorry, you will very rarely see public hearing with anything to do with Atomic Energy. It just doesn't happen. What would the point be anyway when you either have to make the secrets useless, or have a meaningless hearing?

    Do you get your rocks of by being a fear-mongerer?

    Turkey has been an ally for years. What are your worries? That they will have clean electricity while we still rely on coal and gas generation for electricity?

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    So is Turkey about to be a nuclear power?

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    So is Turkey about to be a nuclear power?
    Not from anything I have read.

    Turkey will build nuclear power plants for electricity.

    Not nuclear bombs.

    The technology is a bit different. However, if enrichment is used rather than Turkey buying enriched uranium, the more efficient technologies are classified. These same technologies can enrich uranium beyond reactor grade, to bomb grade.

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