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If the Nets don't give in, DON'T DO THE DEAL. I didn't like the deal to start with but if Dallas can keep DG and Diop and send Hassel, I'm for it than.
It just looks like what's holding it up is a few million in cash. One of these teams is going to blink.
http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index....060.xml&coll=1
After four days, innumerable conversations, several detours, a few counteroffers, and an ongoing stare down, the status of Jason Kidd and Devin Harris essentially boils down to this today: Which side is more eager to finish the deal this weekend, and who is willing to pay the larger price to get it done?
The Nets and Dallas Mavericks can make a deal that is very similar to the original trade they agreed upon last Wednesday, if one team agrees to absorb a bigger financial hit.
"They're still working at it," one team official said last night, requesting anonymity because he is not authorized to speak for the Nets. "It's just that there aren't a lot of possibilities to choose from. Both parties want to come out of this weekend with a deal done."
The refusal by Mavs forward Devean George to be part of the deal -- which is his right, as he would be relinquishing his flexibility when he become a free agent this summer -- has sent both sides back to the drawing board, but the options have become fairly clear.
The Nets want Dallas to subs ute Keith Van Horn for George, which would make the trade virtually identical to the original. But Dallas owner Mark Cuban does not want to use the semi-retired forward, because it would make him absorb another $2 million tax hit this summer by virtue of keeping George on his payroll.
The Mavericks want to include Trenton Hassell in the deal, which would force the Nets to include Antoine Wright as a part of the package to make the numbers add up. But Nets president Rod Thorn wants no part of Hassell, because he (unlike George or Van Horn, whose contracts would expire this summer) has two years left on his deal, at $4.3 million for each season.
One side wants to do it one way, the other side wants to do it the other way, and there may not be a modus vivendi.
Not even the man of honor knows how it is going to turn out, and he spoke with Thorn personally Friday night.
"All I can say is that they're still talking," Kidd said yesterday, after the Eastern Conference practice for today's All-Star Game. "Only two people who really know the whole situation, and that's Rod and Cuban. I'm sure I'll hear from Rod today. I'm in the dark just like everybody else."
Eventually, one side could blink, but both sides have a legitimate reason to wait out the other.
The Nets believe Dallas should take the hit, because the Mavs have bungled the deal from the start by agreeing to the deal last Wednesday without knowing George's intentions. Moreover, Dallas has a delicate team chemistry to consider, because the status quo is likely to cause problems in the Mavs' locker room, if you listen to Dirk Nowitzki.
"As a team, we have to make the best of it, stay focused and keep the group together," the Mavs' All-Star forward said. "That's all you can do. Once everyone starts going in a different direction, then the chemistry will get messed up. Once the locker room gets separated, there's no way we'll reach our goal."
The Mavs, meanwhile, believe the Nets are just as desperate to finish the deal, because Kidd has already punched out mentally on their team, and it makes little sense to prolong the inevitable bust-up. Additionally, the Nets were making out better financially in the first place: The original deal sliced $11 million off their cap next season, and the inclusion of Hassell still makes it a $7 million gain -- well under the luxury tax.
If the Nets don't give in, DON'T DO THE DEAL. I didn't like the deal to start with but if Dallas can keep DG and Diop and send Hassel, I'm for it than.
I can't believe this isn't getting done because of an additional $4 million in cost to Dallas or New Jersey. Cuban is willing to spend that to upgrade his team, and New Jersey is still going to get cap relief.
Would KVH agree to this? Is the league going to be more strict on that sort of thing? Those are two major issues.
And how about Stackhouse? Is he included or not?
If it doesnt happen, it would probably up the mavs even more in terms of their mentality. Especially since Dirk seems to want this to happen and Terry and Stackhouse were already celebrating it. Haha, a mess typical of the mavs.
Yes, Stack would be included. The sticking point is that the Nets want to sub in KVH for George, while the Mavs want to sub in Trenton Hassell and then the Nets throw in Antoine Wright. Originally, Wright was coming to Dallas in a side deal, but now he'd be thrown into the main one. Based on the way I'm reading it, there's about another $4 million in costs to do it without George, and it's down to which team is going to get stuck with that additional cost. I imagine they compromise some way.
Are the mavs willing to risk trading Stack and then having to deal with the league? There is the possibility he wouldnt/couldnt return.
If the article is true, it's singing a different tune from the one on ESPN which seemed to imply the trade wasn't going to happen before the deadline.
I don't since it sounds like the Nets GM is wanting too much.
Yes, because David Stern himself has come out and said that there is nothing wrong with Stack waiting out the 30 days and coming back to Dallas, the only problem was if there had been some sort of binding side deal arranged as part of the trade itself, and there's not one shred of evidence that there was.
ESPN is such a piss-poor ing outlet, it's sad. They drummed up the "Stack talked himself out of the trade" angle when there was nothing of substance to that line of reasoning.If the article is true, it's singing a different tune from the one on ESPN which seemed to imply the trade wasn't going to happen before the deadline.
If it comes down to an extra $4 million in luxury tax, Cuban will do it if he has to to. This is more about who is going to assume those costs. Obviously, each side prefers the other absorb it. I'm now more optimistic that this happens.
Dallas is already giving up too much. It is New Jerseys time to make up for the bad deal which the public knows. Much harder to get a steal now for the nets GM. Harris is more valuable than what this deal portrays.
Since we're getting Stack back, it's basically Devin and two scrubs, plus two first-round picks that will most likely be in the twenties. That's not too bad.
Diop is not a scrub. He is a key player to our run as he will be needed against big men. I'd feel much better about this deal if Diop was left out.
Since Avery refuses to use him, it's a moot point. I don't see why Diop has been in the doghouse all year long, but even at his best, he is not a threat on offense. He does us no good, whether he's sitting on the bench or wearing a Nets uniform.
Against Duncan, Yao and Shaq, we will need him. Those are 3 key teams we will need him as Dampier can't play heavy minutes. Bass is horrible at center.
Tell it to Avery. I figured the Mavs had a backup plan in place if they dealt Diop away, like cooing sweet nothings in PJ Brown's ear.
Yep if Avery keeps doing Bass as backup center, we are screwed. Bass equals A. Walker at center. Bass is Avery's new lover boy along with Stackhouse being there for 3 years now. I think our problem is we need a new coach that understands the importance of a defensive prescence at Center.
I don't understand how Avery can not know that given he played next to David and Tim for so many years. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just failing to comprehend how AJ can't understand this.
Well I'm just going by what I'm seeing on the court. It's hard to read what Avery's trying to do. Sometimes he is making sense and other times he's not. Like leaving Stackhouse in the game despite horrible shooting or leaving Bass in the game while Dallas gets exploited defensively. Also he is so quick to take Harris out of the game while he lets Terry play through his mistakes.
just be glad, mav fans, that the deal hadn't gone through when loudmouth talked. otherwise mavs would have been severely depleted.
Wow. Is anyone else wondering if this will be the best and most watched Conference playoffs since Michael and the Celtics/Lakers? Argue all you want about logistics, but people are excited about the NBA again and there is a slew of young talent to go crazy for.
THIS is the reason this team won't win unless we get a guy like Kidd."As a team, we have to make the best of it, stay focused and keep the group together," the Mavs' All-Star forward said. "That's all you can do. Once everyone starts going in a different direction, then the chemistry will get messed up. Once the locker room gets separated, there's no way we'll reach our goal."
THIS IS OUR LEADER and he has such give-up and quit in his at ude. These guys don't believe in themselves anymore, end of story.
It's time for a new leader. At this point, Dallas NEEDS Jason Kidd.
If that's the case then there's about 28 NBA teams in need of new coaches.
That's not what he's saying and you know it. That message is directed at those guys included in the trade proposal who might still be Mavericks after the trade deadline. He's telling them they need to get over any huwt fweewings and suck it up. And he's right, a team can have all the talent in the world, but if the chemistry sucks, they're not going to do anything when the playoffs roll around.
watching the Mavs - PHX game I was so glad to see the old dirk and terry back. I think that Dirk and the rest of the team is tired of just sitting back and watching the Devin & Josh fast break. With Kidd in dallas everyone will be a threat even dampier.
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