Which Trade was worse: Suns or Mavs?

[ludda]

I'd say enough games have gone by to have some evaluation of the Snaq/Kidd trades.

Phx is obviously doing worse, but at the same time:
-they got bigger while the Mavs got "smaller"
-they may take longer to adjust to Snaq in their O schemes
-Nash is playing worse, while Amare is playing better, so is it really Snaq's fault?

Mavs are 4-4 with Kidd, look up and down:
-Still think their dependence on Erica Dampiera will be a big problem in the playoffs
-showed they could hang with the big boys, but still have a crap ass road record
-Is Kidd contributing enough to make a big difference? Dirk is playing better but probably b/c he gives a now, but their offense is still really iso heavy which doesn't play to Kidd's strengths

Which will help more in the long run do you think?

[Findog]

Still think their dependence on Erica Dampiera will be a big problem in the playoffs

We don't beat the Spurs two years ago without Erick Dampier. The worst you can say about him is that he doesn't earn his $10 million a year because of his stone hands. He rebounds and he's a good interior defender.

Both teams need to start winning games, it doesn't get any simpler than that. But the Mavs went down on their final possession to San Antonio and LA on the road, they played Utah to the wire on the road when it was their fourth game in five nights. They've done all of this as a two-man team because Josh is recovering from a back injury and his mind is elsewhere because of personal problems. We didn't lose to Detroit at home by 30 points. We didn't lose to Philadelphia at home. We're not giving up 120 points a game. You can malign Dallas' defense all you want, but at worst it's mediocre. Going to be tough to beat Houston tomorrow night without Dirk.

[The Franchise]

Phoenix definitely.

[LakerMagic]

Easily the Suns trade for Shaq. Mavs have still been compe ive.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Suns are just sad so far.

Mavericks are still really good, just not as great as they've been before.

[Findog]

Suns are just sad so far.

Mavericks are still really good, just not as great as they've been before.

That's probably a fair assessment. I still think if we can put it all together like we're capable of, we can do major damage in the playoffs, but Murphy's Law is in effect for us right now. in' Dirk. I can't complain too much, guys have gotten F2's for much less, but goddamnit, we need to start winning in the worst way. Why couldn't we be playing the Knicks tomorrow night?

[ludda]

Yes I realize Phx sucks hardcore right now, but I'm saying do they have bigger upside than the Mavs down the road?

Are the Mavs going to get MUCH better than they are right now with Kidd (compe ive, but just not there)?

I guess, I could see the Suns clicking at some point, how much better they will be is the question.

[remingtonbo2001]

It started with the Kurt Thomas trade.

If they keep Thomas, I think they keep Marion and their status as an elite team.

Their bad move was trading Thomas. They wouldn've never needed O'neal and would've added Hill (vetern leadership)

You would have youthful rotation players in Barbosa, Diaw, Stoudmire, and Bell

Your vetern leadership would come from Thomas, Hill, Marion and Nash.

Dallas' Mistake wasn't the Kidd trade. It was the fact they let Nash go.
If Dallas had kept Nash, they would've won in 06. Dirk and Nash would have created one of the most formidable duo's on the offensive end.

Now, tell me which of these two situations was more costly.

[Findog]

Yes I realize Phx sucks hardcore right now, but I'm saying do they have bigger upside than the Mavs down the road?

Are the Mavs going to get MUCH better than they are right now with Kidd (compe ive, but just not there)?

Keep in mind just how awful Josh Howard has been. His back is going to heal and he's going to get it together in his personal life eventually. And there is no tougher test than having to play @ LA, San Antonio and Utah. You could make an argument that those games and @ Boston and Detroit are as difficult as it gets in the NBA. The Lakers needed 50 points from Kobe and an awful performance from Josh Howard and it came down to a final possession. The Spurs didn't put Dallas away until the final play of the game on a night when Josh sucked again. Utah is the toughest venue for road teams, we were playing our fourth game in five nights and the game went to the wire. This is what we're doing when we're playing far from our best basketball. I saw Simmons sneering dismissal of us in his basketball blog today. It was foolish of Mavs fans to pop off after beating Minnesota and Memphis with Kidd, and it's equally as foolish to completely dismiss us now. We'll enter the playoffs as a darkhorse.

I said from the beginning to check back on Dallas after Kidd has had 10-15 games with this team.

[Findog]

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If Dallas had kept Nash, they would've won in 06. Dirk and Nash would have created one of the most formidable duo's on the offensive end.
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And tell me how many stops that team is getting on the defensive end? We used Nash's salary slot to sign Dampier. Without Dampier, who is guarding Duncan? Nash and Dirk together were never getting past the Spurs.

[mavsfan1000]

The mavs Will be better. As of now they've had some bad luck with a cruel schedule. They are going to go on a big winning streak soon.

[ElNono]

I personally think Dallas got worse. Time will tell wether I'm right or wrong.
That said, quoting the big Aristotle: "Phoenix got worser"
The Suns are very out of sync, with the exception of Amare. Nash doesn't even look like the same guy. I think some players are starting to tune D'Antoni out.

[I H8 Mavs Fans]

Dallas

[mavsfan1000]

Dallas

Can't take any of your opinions seriously with that name. You are obviously quite biased.

[san antonio spurs]

Well I know both teams have to win games to stay in playoffs contention, but to say that Dallas is losing because their schedule is brutal or that they'll be better now because their schedule will be lighter is plain silly.
Both teams made those trades to win a championship. And as far as I'm concerned they lost to the main contenders. As we stand now, both trades are a failure.
We can't judge those trades on wins against lotery teams, we should judge them on their playoffs or championships potential achievements.

[mavsfan1000]

Well I know both teams have to win games to stay in playoffs contention, but to say that Dallas is losing because their schedule is brutal or that they'll be better now because their schedule will be lighter is plain silly.
Both teams made those trades to win a championship. And as far as I'm concerned they lost to the main contenders. As we stand now, both trades are a failure.
We can't judge those trades on wins against lotery teams, we should judge them on their playoffs or championships potential achievements.

How is that silly? 3 of the best home teams in the nba they lost to and they played 4 games in 5 nights while playing these teams. I don't think any team could have success. Those are not playoff conditions. Those are exhausting regular season schedules that wore them down. Finally they get to rest.

[I H8 Mavs Fans]

Can't take any of your opinions seriously with that name. You are obviously quite biased.

OH no, you can't take me seriously

[Findog]

Dallas

Hi Jeff.

[Findog]

We can't judge those trades on wins against lotery teams, we should judge them on their playoffs or championships potential achievements.

Compare their performances against elite compe ion.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

the suns without question


they look completely lost out there, I almost feel sorry for them.

At least Dallas can hang with the elite teams, even though they need to start winning sooner, rather than later.

Oh, and T mac is a little for his comments about Dirk needing to be suspended. He shouldn't worry about Dirk when it comes to a Utah.

I hope Dallas kills the Rockets tomorrow.

[Findog]

the suns without question


they look completely lost out there, I almost feel sorry for them.

At least Dallas can hang with the elite teams, even though they need to start winning sooner, rather than later.

Oh, and T mac is a little for his comments about Dirk needing to be suspended. He shouldn't worry about Dirk when it comes to a Utah.

I hope Dallas kills the Rockets tomorrow.

We can only hope the wounded tiger theory is in full effect tomorrow night.

[mavsfan1000]

OH no, you can't take me seriously

Yeah obviously you don't care. You just are a bitter person. No idea why you are so anti-mavs but I'm sure you have your reasons in your sick little world.

[san antonio spurs]

Compare their performances against elite compe ion.

They both lost.
Would you rather lose in the playoffs by a bigger margin or smaller margin? I personnaly think it doesn't matter. If one of those teams would've actuay won a game I could say whose trade is worse. But at this point I have to say they both failed and none is worse or better than the other.

[WalterBenitez]

Phoenix!!!

[DaDakota]

Both Dallas and Phoenix made panic moves and got worse, they were both contenders already and should have tweaked instead of overhauled.

The Spurs, Rockets, Lakers, and Jazz all got better.....the Lakers....REALLY better.....

But the Mavs and Suns...got worse....

DD