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You only like me because I'm a Duncan fan.
And "he" is a "she."
First this:
Age minimum has already benefited players, NBA
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns
Galileo has a better plan:
The NBA and the NCAA work out a deal. Any player in college can be drafted, but players drafted can remain in college. NBA mandated contracts will require college players drafted the right to remain in college as long as they want to, or until they graduate. While in college they will still be paid their NBA salary, which will be put in an escrow account until the player jumps into the NBA. There is no such thing as declaring for the NBA draft anymore.
BENEFITS
The Players
* The players can earn their college degrees without sacrificing NBA money.
* Individual rights of free association are not infringed. Any player can be drafted, if they are legal adults 18 years old.
* Risk of injury is no longer a rationale to enter the NBA early.
The NCAA
* The best college players will likely remain in college through their senior year, unless they are NBA ready beforehand. Even then, they may stay in college for more exposure. This system is no different than a brilliant young engineer signing a professional contract to work somewhere when they finish their undergrad.
* The star players in the NCAA tournament will be more likely to be future NBA stars. As of now, most of the tourney stars are only shining because all the NBA talent has gone pro. The endless, almost 100% turnover, of new stars every year will end.
* The NCAA can tout players already drafted, like high schools tout players offered scholarships. Just as a high school player is touted as 'recruited by North Carolina', a college player can be touted as 'recruited by the San Antonio Spurs'.
The NBA
* New NBA players will have more NAME RECOGNITION when they enter the NBA. If they play four years at a major college and hit the NCAA tourney a few times, the general public will be more aware of, and be a fan of, these players. This will build NBA ratings.
* Raw prospects can play full time in college, instead of sitting on an NBA bench, and wasting a roster spot.
* If the NBA thinks paying players still in college is too expensive, please bear in mind the NBA will not be incurring the costs of coaching the player or the costs of meals, travel, insurance, etc. If necessary, a plan of partial reinbursement from the NCAA could be worked out to make it fair, after weighing all the pros and cons.
This is Galileo's brilliant plan!
I hope someone with connections will forward the plan pronto to David Stern, Kenny Smith, or Charley Rosen. I also await Duncan228's response, as he is one of the most intelligent blog posters here at Spurstalk.com
Last edited by Galileo; 03-27-2008 at 07:02 PM.
You only like me because I'm a Duncan fan.
And "he" is a "she."
R U a hottie?You only like me because I'm a Duncan fan.
And "he" is a "she."
R U a hottie?
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R U a hottie?
I wonder how Kyle Smith feels about all this.
I love the plan.
-Mars
What happens if a player gets injured???
Do they still get that money? Do you actually belive that an NBA front office would want to give away money to a player that is not the same after an injury? What if its career ending?
If they don't get the money, than you got the same problem of kids coming out of school early bc they don't want to wait for fear of injury.
Its fine the way it is.
there's no benefit to the NBA there. if they are going to be paying the kid, they'd rather he be learning on an NBA roster.
the reason that the league wants the age limit is that they are able to get a better read on players BEFORE investing any money on them.
The player still gets the money. That's the risk of drafting young raw talent. Young raw talent sitting on your bench doesn't help your team anyway.
The NBA doesn't want the best players in the NBA to be unknown to the public. A good example is Michael Beasly, maybe the best college player since Tim Duncan.
Star college players are on national TV playing dozens of times each year. The NBA has still not passed college basketball in overall popularity. In my state, Wisconsin, its not even close. College basketball is way more popular here.
I agree with that.
The NBA has to be benefitting greatly before they consider any major changes.
Not only doews the NBA want to scout them more, they also want the stars to generate more fan interest.
Guys like Oden and Durant brought name recognition and a following to their teams for casual fans from the moment they are drafted. Guys out of HS don't do that.
so, what's your point?
there's still no advantage to the NBA drafting and paying these kids before they leave school (not to mention the giant haymaker that the NCAA would throw on that plan). college athletes will be on TV and gain exposure whether they are cashing NBA checks or not.
The problem I see is that the NBA still offers brighter lights and more recognition than college. The money a kid can earn from his team might still be the same, but you're still going to have kids thinking shoe deals, and endorsement contracts. The morons who are only seeing dollar signs when they jump to the draft and torpedo their futures are still only going to be seeing dollar signs.
Also, this gives the draftees even more leverage against the teams. A guy could quietly do what Yi did this year and let it be subtly known that if he's drafted by a team that doesn't suit his tastes he'll just stick around for another few years. Now that might be kind of ideal in that it would make the players stay in school, but it's one reason why the NBA might not be on board. I think GMs feel like there's enough uncertainty in the draft without adding more.
Plus, this could all but kill the D-League.
Kevin Durant would be getting 10 times more national publicity, if he were still in college this year. He might be starring in the NCAA torney right now. Those fans will follow him to the NBA.
Tyler Hansbrough has 10 times as many fans as Durant, even though Durant is a better player.
psycho T also has 10x as many fans as beasley, who is still in school (many of these fans and media have delusions that Hansbrough is actually the player of the year, but I digress).
It's more a Carolina thing than an NCAA vs. NBA thing.
Plus, you have to take into account that Durant went to dying team. Put him on the Knicks and we'd never hear the end of his greatness.
you didn't read the whole article. The NCAA and the NBA must work out the plan together.
The problem is, once you're drafted, you must leave college. Why does it have to be this way? In any other profession, a college student can line up a job before they graduate. But not in basketball. Plain stupid.
not going to work. terrible "brilliant plan".
What happens if North Carolina recruits a junior in high school, and then he sucks his senior year?
NBA teams are under no obligation to drafy underclassmen. It used to be every draft pick was a senior, before Spencer Haywood. If you pick an underclassman, you take a risk.
Almost every NBA team is already wasting money on players with bust contracts, whether the players are young, old, or in between.
i read your idea. but it does not matter when you say that they must work it out, because the premise is beyond reason.
the ncaa will never agree to a policy that strips their athletes of their amateurism. you can list all the other advantages you want, but it's not going to happen.
then UNC has wasted a scholly. not tens of millions.
the problem is, I don't think you understand WHY the NBA went to the age limit. it had absolutely nothing to do with getting their future draft picks national exposure at the college level. it had everything to do with with hedging the risks on the kids that they were investing millions into.
yes, there will still always be busts even with the age limit. but the longer the NBA waits, the more they learn about a kid's maturity and skills, which lowers the risk factor significantly compared to drafting kids straight out HS.
the player decides how long he wants to stay in college, not the NBA team.
If Beasly stays in college, he would be the biggest star in college next year. If he goes pro, he'll disappear on a losing team.
But if Beasly doesn't go pro, he might get injured. Or he might not develop, so he'd be an idiot not to go pro.
Another benefit for staying in college is what I call the David Robinson effect. Robinson went to the navy for two years, so the Spurs loaded up more draft talent for two years until Robinson came aboard.
If a team drafted Beasly, and he stayed one more year in college, the same NBA team that got Beasly could get another lottery pick next year as well.
Correct. But if they stayed in college two more years, until they were juniors, they would bring a giant fan base with them to the NBA.
True, but you missed one of my points.
The proportion of college stars who become NBA stars, has gone down.
Take a look at the Wooden Award winners, and the Most Outstanding Final Four players from the past, and compare them to the present. The quality of these award winners has gone way down.
You example of JJ Re is good, but misses a point. JJ Re wouldn't have been as big a star had not a dozen better players from his class already turned pro.
Last edited by Galileo; 03-28-2008 at 12:03 PM.
Most people in the United States have never heard of the D-league. Few care about it. This despite that any D league team could probably whup Duke's ass.
Last edited by Galileo; 03-28-2008 at 11:50 AM.
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