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Amare is not overrated imo, he is an unstoppable beast on offense. He works so hard on his offensive game which I give him props for. His problem is his defense but as long as I don't hear people raving about his defense he is not overrated imo.
AT LEAST 16-22 of his points every game come off of piss poor defense on the P&R, which is extremely hard for anyone to defend, MAINLY because of Nash's incredible passing and shooting ability. Stoudemire cannot create for himself for though, and makes Steve Nash even look like somewhat decent of a defender, because Nash actually somewhat tries. Amare sucks, and doesnt even try either. His judgment and effort on rebounds is ing horrible. He is a good player, and amazes me with his incredibly explosive athleticism, and his soft touch around the rim, but he is the most overrated PF in the game today, without a doubt. No ing way should he even be somewhat considered for MVP when Steve Nash is the reason he even looks this good. You can't say the same about guys like Duncan and Dirk. Those guys can create and they make their teammates better. Amare can't and will NEVER be a #1 option because of his inability to create. He will always have to be the #2 guy.
Amare is not overrated imo, he is an unstoppable beast on offense. He works so hard on his offensive game which I give him props for. His problem is his defense but as long as I don't hear people raving about his defense he is not overrated imo.
but what offense does he have that doesn't involve Steve Nash setting him up with fantastic passes? I almost never see him just take a guy to the hole. I have NEVER seen him take over a game by himself (that means without a constant barrage of great passes from Nash). He has no real post game, an average jumpshot that he can only hit when WIDE open and has about 5 seconds to set up, no moves to get to the hole by himself... the guy simply cannot create.
he is one of the best complimentary PF's ive ever seen though. he is perfect for any PG that knows how to distribute the ball. but without a guy like that, he is a good PF, but nothing more. not a superstar, or anything like that. not even close.
the fact that he was within the same zip code of MVP talk at one point this year means he's way overrated.
Yeah good point, I never thought of it that way. Now that I think about it Amare really is overrated. He needs Nash to create his offense and he needs Shaq to help him on defense and to do the dirty work. Good point stretch
Amare put up 21 points per game on decent shooting as a 21 year old Soph... so i think he was always on the way to s om...
No doubt Nash is a big part of his game.... but Amare is a top 5 big for me... with or without Nash.
Yes, he is a good player. I'm not doubting that. But he is very overrated as well.
And he took like 20 shots a game towards the end of the season when it was obvious their season was done, so of course his scoring would go up as well. But considering that his game consists solely of dunks and put-backs, to shoot 47% is not all that great. he should AT LEAST be in the 50% range if that is his entire game, which it was more of the case back then, as he had not yet developed a jumpshot like he sort of has lately.
not impressed.
Amare. He doesn't work hard on his offense at all. If he did he'd have at least one move that Steve Nash doesn't set up. His defense sucks, he doesn't have a single good post move, his footwork sucks and he's never created his own shot in his life.
He is to Steve Nash what Kenyon Martin was to J-Kidd back in 03'.
Last edited by balli; 04-07-2008 at 10:02 AM.
I agree in general - Nash makes Amare into a decent player. His buckets are the result of Nash's brilliance at PG. With a less than top notch PG, Amare would be a subpar PF - not even mediocre.
However, that's just Amare's good luck. It is what it is. Many a great player has become great by the players they play with. However, when it comes down to it, the Suns STILL have not learned to play defense, and defense ALWAYS wins championships down the stretch. I would say the Mavs are closer to winning it all than the Suns, for this reason, but I would say the Hornets, the Spurs, and the Lakers are all even closer. The Jazz would be, if they could ever learn to play on the road, and the Rockets would be, if they could ever stay healthy all at the same time for more than a week at a time. But neither of those things are going to happen between now and June.
He was single covered by Devean George, Kidd, and Howard at times last game. When he tried to take them, he had very little success, even though very rarely did the defense collapse on him.
Unless Nash is finding him, he is at times useless. I think he is starting to suffer from the same desease that Marion did, namely get so used to playing with Nash that you don't even bother to work on the rest of your game.
Remember that by last year, Marion could barely put the ball on the floor anymore and had no go to moves. That is difficult to believe for an All-star 6'7 SF/PF but if you watched the games it was true. Marion was either hitting a corner 3, or getting the easy dunk of Nash. Other than that he had no in between game at all almost.
Well Amare is starting to look freakishly the same. Shaq has taken some of the attention of the big men away from him, but against a good team that buckled down on defense, even with smaller guys, he wasn't able to create anything.
And how crazy was it that a hobbled Dirk, made Amare look really slow on defense and Dirk look like the 23 year old, SF, version of himself running around and taking Amare of the dribble.
He's not overrated because no one puts him in the same sentence of guys like Duncan and Garnett except for Shaq and himself. He might be overrated by himself. But, most people know he's a sub par defender and that Steve Nash has been a big part in how well he plays.
As mentioned, he did put up 21 ppg in 2003-04 before Nash got there, albeit for a Suns team that sucked. But, putting up 21 points per game is no joke, especially for a 21 year old, second year NBA kid. And, in his first playoff game as a rookie, he did drop 24 points and 9 rebounds on 9 for 13 shooting on Tim Duncan and the Spurs. Granted, he didn't do much more after that first game. But, even as a kid, he was good.
They guy is good. Still a top 5 power forward. He's not very good defensively. But, he's outstanding offensively, especially with the development of his jumper. While Nash makes outstanding passes, Amare often times makes outstanding catches and even more incredible finishes once he does catch those passes.
what about those people saying he is an MVP candidate?
overrated.
Amare is crazy good on offense, and he's added a bevy of moves now. He'd be a dynamic scorer with or without Nash.
But you just can't put him into the elite level when he's so ing bad defensively. It's just amazing how much matador defense he plays where he does absolutely nothing to contest shots.
Utah's road situation is convoluted. In fact we have some great wins on the road. We won at Denver when it still mattered. We went to Phoenix and wiped the floor with them. In Boston, we handed the celts thier worst loss of the season. I'm pretty sure we beat NO in NO.
The fact is most of our road losses came against terrible teams- Atlanta, Indiana, New Jersey, Chicago, Charlotte, New York and Miami and lost on the road twice to Minnesota, twice to Sacramento and once to the L.A. Clippers.
To me, those losses don't speak whatsoever to our ability to beat good teams on the road. If anything it says that we had one terrible Dec. road trip and that we tend to play to the level of compe on around us. It's not a good thing, but to label the Jazz as a bad road team (as everyone has done) is to not fully understand the situation. Bad road teams don't whup the out of all the good teams they face on the road.
Hence, we don't have a problem with the road in general, we have a problem getting up for road games against teams. In the playoffs, there are no teams, hence the road shouldn't be nearly as mcuh of a problem as it was back in that horrible Dec. we had.
That was mainly Amare himself, and his knobgobblers at freedarko.
It's so funny, the true MVPs never campaign for the award. They don't need the validation from sportswriters.
gasol or amare?
Unquestionably Better
Duncan
Dirk
Garnett
Jefferson
Rasheed
Brand
Same Level if not Better
Boozer
Bosh
Gasol
Other Notables and Arguables
West
J O'Neal
Aldridge
What moves are that? Jump straight into his defender, scream and flail his arms, then throw up a shot as he gets a bull foul call? That's about the best move I've ever seen from him. The refs seriously need to quit calling that .
Look anyone who doesn't say that Amare isn't a solid Top 5 PF in the NBA is just hating. Is he perfect no, but he goes out and does his job. Who's to say that if Nash wasn't around he couldn't change his game and be effective.
What moves? With his back to the basket he's worthless. He has one fake and drive move from the high post, but in general Amare rarely, rarely, rarely creates his own shot. I'd agree he's athletic enough to be a scorer without nash, but he'd still be operating and getting his points at the behest of his PG. You can screen-roll and throw lob passes to him all day and it probably doesn't matter much who the PG is, but still, Amare will always need a PG to get his points for him.
Al Jefferson is not better than Amare Stoudemire.
Dirk is slightly better than Amare, not overwhelmingly so.
Rasheed is more talented than Amare, not sure if he's better. He would be better if wanted to be. But, Rasheed doesn't necessarily want to be.
Elton Brand didn't play all year. He may have been better when he was healthy. Hard to make that claim right now.
I say he's better than Pau but if he was on the Lakers he'd be worse.
Fortunately for Amare, most NBA franchises like having a point guard on their teams. There are very, very few teams that don't play with a point guard, and even those teams have a guard or point forward that orchestrates the offense, which basically is the role of a point guard.
I'd say all three of these guys are better. Although Boozer's D is somehow worse than Amare's is.
Watch out for Bynum too. He'll one day be a much, much better player than Amare could ever be.
If you take a test in school and willfully leave half the test unanswered, what's going to happen? It doesn't matter that you get every single question you put forth the effort of answering right......if you decide that half the questions aren't worth answering, you're not going to get a good grade.
Amare plays half the game.....it doesn't matter what he does on offense, he's not a great player until he at least puts forth an effort on the defensive end.
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