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Nash gets such an easy ride compared to other franchise players so to speak... especially compared to Dirk (who gets treated unfairly).
I will for you. I've always said that the reason teams play the helter skelter game of run, run, run with Nash is because of his glaring weakness on Defense. Teams can win a lot of games playing that way in the regular season but in a playoff series, your weakness is exploited and you have to be accountable. Nash can not be accountable! He has been constantly abused by everyone he attempts to defend. He has showed to be not only just an average point guard in the league (his career stats confirm that also) but now that the team has slowed down and have an inside presence. He has shown to be a liability! What he gives on offense, he gives away on defense. It's a wash!
Steve Nash for MVP has been the dumbest argument and award in the history of basketball.
I'm sure when it's all said and done, Shaq will go back to his original statement saying that Nash winning the MVP was a joke in a joke league. I concur!
Nash gets such an easy ride compared to other franchise players so to speak... especially compared to Dirk (who gets treated unfairly).
I love Nashy, but the way he has been treated compared to Dirk (who has beat the Spurs and advanced to the Finals) shows how biased the media can be.
I having been saying that for a while. The reason that Stoudemire and Shaq get into foul trouble is because the guards get beat. Is not just Nash,Barbosa and Bell share blame as well. At least when Matrix was here you can put him on Parker and hide Nash on defense. Granted it says something when you have to hide a 2 time MVP on defense. But as we have all seen the without Shawn Marion there the Spurs have really exposed Nash on that end. BTW Leandro thanks for showing up when the game was pretty much over.
Nash always gets a free pass. It makes the journalists who voted for him back-to-back for MVP feel less like morons.
He's a great player, but a victim of media hype/bandwagoning. I just hope for his sake he makes the finals and maybe wins a championship down the line.
Suns failure to perform well in the playoffs isn't because of Steve's weak defense. It's because d'Antoni's weak coaching.
Steve is popular because he offensive work is so fun and impressive. Fans don't watch or appreciate defense, so Steve's lack of it goes unnoticed.
In Steve's defense however the team was going nowhere before he came back. Yes Nash leaves alot to be desired on the defensive side of the ball but what were the Suns before him came? They were 29-53 and heading towards the lottery. Stoudemire was injured that season,Marbury got traded,Frank Johnson was canned. We had Barbosa running point. Then next season we got 62 wins and a trip to the WCF. We have been in the playoffs since but now is time to consider the dreaded R word. They need to think about rebuilding around Stoudemire.
I bet you if it was Dirk he would have been bashed by everyone continuously, people have actually been trying to blame Dirk for the mavs losing the first two games of the series even though he is playing at a very high level, if Dirk was the one that was down 0-3 the media would have killed him by now.
He's two year's past those MVPs. He's obviously in a state of decline. Having a head coach like D'Antoni and having to face a team like the Spurs this early is obviously taking its toll in this series.
He's one man. One man past his prime. The Suns are losing this series because they aren't as good a "team" as the Spurs. Really, it's just as simple as that. Nash played pretty good the first two games. It sucks for us that his down game came at a time when the Suns couldn't afford for him to have one, but I think he's done. He's carried a franchise on his back for far too long without a competent coach and a capable backup. Does he deserve some blame for this? Of course, but this dumping on him for his present based upon his past's higher level of play is absurd.
I agree with this. Why else would the media jump on the fact that Kidd can not guard CP3 but no mention of Nash being old and can not guard Parker? Nash not being able to guard the better point guards of the league and parker hurts the suns and puts them in a position where they're playing 4 on 5, on defense. He brings absolutely nothing on defense.
Nash may be 2 years past his MVP awards but he was no better then on defense than he is now.
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Kidd is still a good team defense player, creates steals and other turnovers by the way he plays the passing lanes and is ALWAYS the smartest guy on the court.
Another thing, I hear this drag about Shaq, Amare, Barbosa not coming thru. When Nash is brought up, it's his team mates didn't come through for him??? WTF, Nash is the suppose to be the so called 2 time MVP, shouldn't the credit or blame fall on his shoulders as much as it would for any other star in the league? Kobe, Bron, CP3, Dirk, Tracy. Those players would take all of their teams blame for failure.
Can you imagine that storm that erupts if Dirk lays an egg last night and his team went down 0-3?
I love Nash, for his game and the causes he's involved in off the court, but he has gotten way too much of a free pass for far too long.
It's all Kerr's fault. The trade for Shaq was not a smart one for the Suns.
I agree. I can see Kidd being in Nash's position on the Suns and Phoenix being a lot better ball club. He may not score as much but he gives you something on both ends of the court.
I don't think it would have mattered one way or the other. The Suns with Marion would have still lost to the Spurs, and they weren't doing great against the Lakers or Hornets, either. They'd have needed to win the Pacific, which was probably doable, but had they, and then they faced really any team outside of Houston, Dallas or Denver, then I think they go home, and it was never a guarantee vs. any of those three squads, either.
Too much went from from last season to this. Too many wasted drafts. Too many mismanaged offseasons. The Shaq trade felt like a necessity because of everything that had happened before. To that end, it was the straw that broke the camal's back, but if you think said back was hurtin' and in need of attention beforehand, then you'd be mistaken.
And with Phoenix, there is always four other guys on the court that can shoot and he can just distribute. I'm seeing it now, the way New Orleans crowds Dirk and wants to funnel the ball to Kidd to shoot it. We really lack a true 2-guard. If we had one more shooter on the floor to space things, teams can't try that as much. Although Terry stepped it up last night. I think Avery is finally seeing the light, you can get away with starting Terry at the 2 in this series bc the Hornets have a small backcourt as well. Harris/Terry was too undersized going up against B Diddy and J-Rich. In any event, more Jet, less Suckhouse.
It's so funny, the Suns should've traded Nash for Kidd and the Mavs are the ones that should've gone after Shaq. Of course, if the former had happened, the Phoenix fanbase would've rioted.
WTF?! Kidd can't shoot a lick. He'd kill the Suns. Despite the one win vs. New Orleans, he still has yet to win a playoff series vs. a Western Opponant.
Kidd on Phoenix has been done before and despite several 50-win squads and a few instances of homecourt advantage, Kidd was 0-fer when leading the Suns in the playoffs.
He may do better with Dallas, but there's almost zero chance the Suns are better with Kidd than with Nash. The offense would be halved and the defense wouldn't be near good enough to pick up the slack.
It's hard to put much blame on Nash when Amare doesn't play a lick of defense either and Shaq can't make free throws. Nash's defense is one problem. If Shaq makes his free throws so that he can stay on the floor longer and if Amare actually puts effort helping protect the paint, it's still a series.
He doesn't need to shoot when he's surrounded by Phoenix's players. And yet to win a series against a Western opponent? What does 10 years ago have to do with anything? And we're only through G3, so hold your horses, although I think the Hornets are going to win this series.
What happened 10 years ago is irrelevant.Kidd on Phoenix has been done before and despite several 5-win squads and a few instances of homecourt advantage, Kidd was 0-fer when leading the Suns in the playoffs.
Oh, I think the Suns would be better. You don't need Kidd to shoot and you can't funnel the ball to him as easily the way the Suns space the floor and the shooters they can surround him with. He works best with an uptempo team in transition, and Phoenix has better personnel for that than Dallas, assuming they kept Marion. And their defense would undoubtedly be better. Maybe not enough to win a le, but I definitely think Kidd would be better for Phoenix than Nash. What's left of his defensive abilities overcomes Nash's outside shooting. Never would happen because of Nash's status in Phoenix.He may do better with Dallas, but there's almost zero chance the Suns are better with Kidd than with Nash. The offense would be halved and the defense wouldn't be near good enough to pick up the slack.
I disagree. They could still be a fast breaking team with Kidd and his defense would be just as valuable as Nash's ppg. Kidd's still capable of a triple double. He would lower the points they allow a game considerably with his defense, rebounding, steals and assists.
I agree. I thought Shaq would've fit in MUCH better on Dallas. They idea of him fitting in with the Suns was laughable to begin with, and laughable still.
Yes, he does. Or tell me, how's he doing with the superior offensive and shooting talent in Dallas?
I can see if it were another less-beloved star player, there would be MUCH MUCH more criticism, but it's Steve Nash, the guy everyone loves remember???
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