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Are you pot commited? What cards do you have? What's on the table?
Texas Hold Em.
When and what determines if you stay in the pot going for a straight or flush?
Are you pot commited? What cards do you have? What's on the table?
i almost always fold on a straight draw. its not worth it.
Various.
1. When you draw two of the same suit. How high do they have to be?
Of course i know it depends on the bet etc. Just looking for generalities.
2. When you hit 4 of 5 after the flop. Do you stick around for the final two cards or not? What are the odds of picking up straight or flush after 4 of 5?
I'm told it's only 18% in an 8 person hand. I'm going to read the book by the math know it all, Sagowski or similiar last name. I'd still like to know what you do.
3. When you're still at 4 of 6 after the turn. What keeps you in to see the final river card?
I know the basics like if you have the Ace, of course that beats all other flushes. I'm looking for odds, math etc on what determines whether to stay / how long to chase a straight or flush.
Suited connected is best odds I'm told.
Last edited by Fabbs; 03-23-2008 at 05:46 PM.
True but then how irritatiog is it when you stay in with two pair or three of a kind and someone hits their straight on the river? I'm not talking about 3/6 or ever 4/8 or even 18/20. I consider all those to be "bingo" and not true poker. And yes i know to bet high early on pairs or threes so as to drive out the chasers. But some seem to chase no matter what. Maybe it's their unlimited trust fund.
No limit.
It just depends what the cards are, how many people are in, how many chips you have, are you on the big or small.... There are many factors... sometimes it's easy or better to just wait for the next hand rather than trying to hit a home run.
Let's play some poker!
You Will Hit A Flush Roughly 30 Percent Of The Time If You Flop 4 To A Flush.
If Someone Bets Out Half The Pot Or Less You Generally Call. If They Bet The Pot Or More You Fold. Also If There Is A Caller Before You Its An Easy Call.
Sometimes If Its Checked To You You Bet Out With Your Flush Draw This Is What Is Known As A Semi Bluff, Cuz You Have A Few Ways To Win, You Can Take It Down Right There But You Also Have At Least 9 Outs To Improve To A Flush Plus Other Outs That Can Hit Your Hand. If They Show Weakness, You Have To Judge Are They Trying To Checkraise You, You Should Ask Did They Raise Preflop? Read The Board, Are There Rags? Were Any Of The People In The Pot Limpin In The Blinds In An Unraised Preflop? If So You Need To Be Very Careful Because They Could Have Just About Anything.
I Could Go On And On. I Make A Good Side Income Playing Poker Both On The Internet And Live In Casinos.
Not A Pro By Any Means But Ive Won About $18k In The Past Year. So Far This Year Its About $5k+
Also If You Flop Trips And There Are 2 Of A Suit On The Board Not In Your Hand. You Get Your Money In While Its Goo, Even If The Person Hits On You, Its Still The Right Play. Raise Raise Raise If You Flop Trips And There Are Two Of A Suit Do Not Slowplay You Trips Ever On A Suited Board!
If You Bet The Pot Or 1.5-2x The Pot And Get Called Thats Okay They Are Putting There Money In Bad As They Will Only Hit Their Flush Roughly 30 Percent Of The Time So You Are A 70 Percent Favorite!
Play This Way Every Time Over The Life You Your Poker Playing You Will Come Out Way The Ahead Against The Dummies Chasing Their Draws At Bad Pot Odds.
Another Thing Are We Talking Cash Games Here Or Tourneys?
i usually go all in b4 the flop, thats if alot of ppl are playing calling that hand,
try and reap the benefits on the bluff, then i start to play it slowly for the following hands.
in most cases i wont allow them to see the next card after the flop, or if im in a situation where im chasing for 1 more card after the flop? ALL in.
GO HARD OF GO HOME, THIS IS A MANS GAME
bad advice.
sigh
I just play. I don't understand the strategy in Poker, if I think I'm gonna win the hand I bet, if I don't I fold. I don't try all this bluffing BS never works for me.
Indeed.
If anyone in this thread, listen to Heath.
To the rest of you, as I said, let's play!
any time..
I don't want to play with you Heath, just the others...
Why not you will only get better by playing against better players.
A lot of other people have already nailed it... there are a lot of variables.
For example, if you are Manny and you are going for any kind of draw (or even if your hand is made) but Scott is also in the pot, you should probably fold... even if it is to a check.
Unless you have pocket 8s, then just push preflop.
pot odds and implied odds determine your decision.
You have 9 outs to hit a 4 flush after the flop and 8 outs to hit an open ended straight....that extra out for the flush gives you about a 4% better chance to catch your card.
When do you go for the flush or straight?
So after the flop, you have about a 36% chance to catch your flush and 32% to catch your open ender by the river.
This is where pot odds and implied odds come into your decision.
Situation A: If there is $50 in the pot and someone bets $50, you need to call $50 to win $100, or 2-1 on your money....so therefore, if you expect no more money in the pot, you fold your hand.
Situation B: $50 in pot, someone bets $50, you have another caller, and it costs $50 to win $150, so you are getting 3-1 on your money, so the pot odds say to call the bet. Implied odds will give you an even better return because if you hit your draw, you can imply that you will win even more money on the next betting round, so you might really be getting 4-1, 5-1 or even better a better return on your $50 call on the flop.
Of course, there are so many more variables in this decision, but this is a good rule of thumb.
So after the turn, when the hand is presently at 4 of 6 on the way to s or f, now what are the odds of catching the 5th on the river?
Of course i realize that has variables, ie are you holding onto 9/10 and the table shows 8/J therefore you can straight with the river being either a 7 or Q.
Again I'm just keeping it general, thanks Jim Heath Ruff and everyone.
I'm told the math book by Sagowski (sp?) reveals all the math.
Also a book by Mike Caroll (?) is supposed to have some math.
You count your outs to the straight or flush and multiply by 2, and then you get your chance with just the river to come.
So, if you need a card for a flush, then you have 9 outs, and therefor an 18% chance, a straight has a 16% chance( 8 outs)
You are about a 5-1 dog to get either, so if your pot odds are more than that call....
ie. If there is $200 in the pot and the bet is $30-40, then you are priced in to both draws....ok?
I'm fine with my game Heath. Like you, I've made pretty good money on the side playing at casinos. But you are a fool if you have a choice and knowingly choose to play against other competent players...
Ruff,I'm fine with my game Heath. Like you, I've made pretty good money on the side playing at casinos. But you are a fool if you have a choice and knowingly choose to play against other competent players...
on that note, when is the time to catch the lesser players at the casino?
weekdays, weekday nights, weekend days, weekend nights?
Jim,
I'm still learning but yes i pretty much get what you are saying about pot odds.
It would seem position would also figure in here, you alluded to earlier.
Well, maybe its just the games I've been in but it sure seems a heck of a lot of s and f's win in Hold Em. I'm surmising No Limit gets away from that as well as tournaments that require a 100 or better entry fee with no add ons or rebuys.
The 20-40 entry fees as well as even the higher ones that allow add-ons and re-buys seem to bring that bingo b.s. "stay in no matter what" mentality that leads to s or f on the river.
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