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There's no way Oswald Killed Kenedy with that gun.
None.
NUMBER 10
WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE FROM GLOBAL WARMING
We are all going to die; that part is true. But I'm not too worried about global warming. One can find articles in the media 20, 30 years ago that warned of a sooner-than-expected new ice age. OK, we can be persuaded that too many cars with bad exhaust pipes can pollute the air, but not nearly as much as when a volcano erupts. It's freezing cold all over the United States this winter, with horrible snow and ice storms. Our countrymen in places like Nebraska or North Dakota are probably thinking "Boy, I sure wish those scientists were right and we could get some global warming real soon."
NUMBER 9
YOU KNOW THE NEWS IF YOU WATCH CNN AND READ THE NEW YORK TIMES OR WASHINGTON POST
These media, like Reuters, Le Monde, Newsweek, CBS News, and so much of the mainstream media are hopelessly biased towards the left. This is not so much a question of editorials or op-ed, since after all, you can read conservative columnists like George Will, Charles Krauthammer and William Safire in these media. But rather it's the slant in how they present the news and what they make news.
NUMBER 8
NO CULTURES ARE SUPERIOR TO ANY OTHERS
If you're accused of even thinking that cultures are unequal, then you are branded as a racist. But by any objective measure of success, western civilization is superior. This is actually not racist, since Japan, Singapore, and South Korea have internalized the best of the west, and essentially joined it.
NUMBER 7
A CONSPIRACY KILLED PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY
A profitable industry has taken individual tidbits of information, blown them out of proportion, and convinced much of the U.S. public and the rest of the world that JFK was killed by some kind of conspiracy. Take your pick: Castro, the Mafia, Lyndon Johnson, the CIA -- all later covered up by the Warren Commission. The real truth, that Lee Harvey Oswald, a nut-case, acted alone to assassinate JFK, is inescapable when you read the facts.
NUMBER 6
FIDEL CASTRO MAY BE A DICTATOR BUT CUBA HAS HIGH SOCIAL INDICATORS
The first part of this is right, but high social indicators? Highest rate of suicide in Latin America. Highest rate of people leaving the country and risking their life in the process. To the extent that there may be high literacy it's a legacy from the Cuba of the 1950s which had a higher standard of living than Spain and Italy and all but two Latin American countries. Now it's a basket case.
NUMBER 5
THE UNITED NATIONS IS THE HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF MANKIND
Or, its corollary, if we didn't have the UN we'd have to invent it. If this is true, mankind has a bleak future. Anybody with an IQ larger than his shoe size (American shoe size) knows that trusting the UN with our hopes for the future is wrong; we have seen this day after day. But this idea is still out there, and accepted as politically correct and believable by large swaths of countries. It's the official line of the whole European Union, which is frightening, since some of those countries individually are good allies and have intelligent people who should know better.
NUMBER 4
YOU CAN'T MAKE A COUNTRY DEMOCRATIC BY FORCE
This is anti-Americanism and anti-Iraq-invasion thinking mixed with historic amnesia. The Brits conquered India and left it democratic. We bombed Germany and Japan to smithereens, occupied them by force and left them democratic. We invaded and occupied Afghanistan and it's on the way to being democratic. We have a better than even chance of doing the same with Iraq.
NUMBER 3
IF THE USA PRESSURED ARIEL SHARON THERE'D BE MIDDLE EAST PEACE
Middle East peace will happen when the culture of violence changes on the Arab side of the equation and the Arabs drop the goal of destroying Israel. The Palestinian "right of return" is part of destroying Israel. We see Yasser Arafat's death as a good start; and Mahmoud Abbas getting elected. But let's not put a halo over his head just because he's not Arafat.
NUMBER 2No it doesn't. Foreign aid largely helps those in the business of extorting or spending it; airlines, restaurants, hotels, car-rental companies and other service industries that cater to the organizations that handle the money; the UN (for example).
FOREIGN AID HELPS POOR PEOPLE
Freedom, trade, capitalism and education help poor people. Plus it also matters that their culture teaches them a work ethic (see number 8 above). The old saw that "foreign aid is when the poor people of a rich country give money to the rich people of a poor country" has more than a kernel of truth. By the way, try to name any country that has been developed by foreign aid.
AND, THE NUMBER 1 LIE IN THE WORLD TODAY:
THERE'S SOME MAGIC "THIRD WAY."
Even one of America's best allies in the world, Tony Blair, believes in this. This is a shame, because I like Blair. This lie had much more traction when Bill Clinton was president because, well, he believed in it too (Okay, to the extent that Clinton believed in anything.) He and Blair held hands, sang Kumbaya, and preached "Third Way" to others. Fellow citizens, there's no third way that works. Communism is an obvious failure; and, prosperity is directly proportional to free markets. More capitalism equals more prosperity. That's it, period.
There's no way Oswald Killed Kenedy with that gun.
None.
Regarding #7 (Kennedy)...aren't the complete investigation files to be released in 2013?
Regarding #8- The definition of culture is "The ac ulated habits, at udes, and beliefs of a group of people that define for them their general behavior and way of life; the total set of learned activities of a people." There's no better, correct, or true ways. There's no right or wrong here, just "ours" and "others".
Regarding #1- There's always more than one way, and that one way making the other way incorrect. It's all in the way that you view whatever the matter is in hand.
Yoni, can you post the link to this?
#11. Yonivore is a libertarian.Top Ten Lies in the world today...
What's all that money going to in Iraq right now?By the way, try to name any country that has been developed by foreign aid.
And what was that whole Marshall Plan thing?
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Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Yoni....poor misguided fool. America....what a good template for peace and democracy ....as you bomb other countries for capatilistic ideals...don't tell me it's for "freedom and liberty"...well why don't you just invade S. Arabia (friends) or N. Korea (no oil) , maybe even China (money)....Bush's policies...or should I say America's policies are full of it's not even funny....
You had it right the first time, Med, and probably 49% of Americans agree with you.Bush's policies...or should I say America's policies are full of it's not even funny....
I would agree with most of that list. My question is, who in the is telling most of those, because not even left wing extremists buy most of those.
BTW, Oswald killed Kennedy alone.
Everyone I know who's ever been to Cuba tells me it's an amazing place. Beautiful beaches, great food and clubs, happy people, no homeless period, great health care, etc.
If you're talking about art, and theater, and literature, and clothing, and customs, and cuisine, and stuff like that, then fine, all cultures have something to offer.Regarding #8- The definition of culture is "The ac ulated habits, at udes, and beliefs of a group of people that define for them their general behavior and way of life; the total set of learned activities of a people." There's no better, correct, or true ways. There's no right or wrong here, just "ours" and "others".
When it comes to how people view human rights, or freedom for their people, or systems of government, or whether conquering others should be a source of pride or shame, there damn well better be a right or wrong, or else you're eventually going to find yourself on the bayonette end of a conquering army.
Some societies have ac ulated habits, at udes, and beliefs that are more amenable to peace, security, and prosperity than others have.
Some societies defend their ac ulated habits, at udes, and beliefs more strongly than others. Some impose their culture on other populations more forcefully than others.
You can define "success" as the degree of prosperity a culture maintains. The history books seem to demonstrate that successful cultures are the ones that successfully impose themselves upon others, even if the result creates a bloodier and poorer society.
You can tell Western culture is successful because it seems like a lot of other people that get exposed to it want to adopt it. It's addictive. It's a passive imposition. Other successful cultures get that way by armed conquest and coercion.
The Netherlands made the same foolish assumption you did, and learned that their Muslim immigrants are eager to impose a culture upon them that is less peaceful, less secure, and less prosperous. See, in their culture, conquest is still something to be desired. You can pretend that somehow that is not true, that all people really are as enlightened as the West. But you will be sorely disappointed and maybe dead.
Cool. Thank you for agreeing with me.If you're talking about art, and theater, and literature, and clothing, and customs, and cuisine, and stuff like that, then fine, all cultures have something to offer.
Perhaps. But in your scenario, if you are "right" and the other folks are "wrong", but there's more of them, you're still going to be on the wrong end of a rifle. And before I start hearing about how it is the obligation of the West to free the minds and granting what we consider basic human rights of these poor blighted cultures, you can tell me why freeing the populace of Iraq is being done while the US (and the rest of the West, for that matter) sat on our ass in the Rwandan genocides. If there is a right or wrong, you either need to help everybody or help nobody.When it comes to how people view human rights, or freedom for their people, or systems of government, or whether conquering others should be a source of pride or shame, there damn well better be a right or wrong, or else you're eventually going to find yourself on the bayonette end of a conquering army.
Right. Also, societies ac ulate, defend, and impose according to what that particular society's belief set is, and that they more or less believe that whatever they are doing is the right way, whether it is because they have historically done it, religiously done it, or morphed into it over time.Some societies have ac ulated habits, at udes, and beliefs that are more amenable to peace, security, and prosperity than others have.
Some societies defend their ac ulated habits, at udes, and beliefs more strongly than others. Some impose their culture on other populations more forcefully than others.
Am I smelling a suggestion here, or did someone pass gas?You can define "success" as the degree of prosperity a culture maintains. The history books seem to demonstrate that successful cultures are the ones that successfully impose themselves upon others, even if the result creates a bloodier and poorer society.
For starters, a lot doesn't mean everyone. Hey, I'm a big fan of Wesern culture. I'd rather live where I do and get the rights I have than live elsewhere and get on. But that's just me.You can tell Western culture is successful because it seems like a lot of other people that get exposed to it want to adopt it. It's addictive. It's a passive imposition. Other successful cultures get that way by armed conquest and coercion.
Now, now, calling me foolish won't get you anywhere. And I guess every Muslim in the Netherlands was involved in creating whatever havoc you were describing, sort of like all Muslims in the US are involved in Al-Quida. But is it our job, our "holy grail" to go enlighten people of a culture that has existed 1000's of years longer than ours? And that truly believe they're right? We have our way, and they have their way. What we consider right they consider wrong, and a select few of them are willing to kill us to prove that. What they consider right we consider wrong, and our democratically elected government is willing to try do some Western assimilation to prove that.The Netherlands made the same foolish assumption you did, and learned that their Muslim immigrants are eager to impose a culture upon them that is less peaceful, less secure, and less prosperous. See, in their culture, conquest is still something to be desired. You can pretend that somehow that is not true, that all people really are as enlightened as the West. But you will be sorely disappointed and maybe dead.
example: I'm an atheist, you're a Bible-thumper. I can't believe that you're willing to believe an ancient storybook over legitimate scientific proof. You can't believe that I am willing to go to over not giving my life to Jesus Christ because of a couple of scientists and a petri dish.
Yoni, thanks for reminding why extreme conservatives are as intolerant as any other extremists. No better, no worse.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
I'm sorry, what was intolerant and of whom am I being intolerant in those ten short statements?
I don't know but, I doubt it'll change material facts that are, already, 40 years old.
And the ac ulated habits, at udes, and beliefs of a group of people can be better, or worse, than others...(i.e. the Nazis or Islamic Extremists)
Nope, I contend all societies are based on one or the other of free-market capitalism or state-owned socialism. Variants exist, to be sure, but all economic structures fall to one side or the other.
It may be a nice place to visit but why are its citizens dying to leave and why is the suicide rate so high?
There are suicides everyday here in the US too. Why is that?
Did it ever occur to you that people in other countries look at the high murder rate in the US, guns everywhere and the crime rate high.
Many people visit the US every year and the majority of them go back home.
#10 - Scientists have estimated now that the rate of global warming is 1/4 - 1/2 of a degree every CENTURY. Global warming is indeed blown way out of proportion.
I contend America is a hybrid capitalistic/socialist society.Nope, I contend all societies are based on one or the other of free-market capitalism or state-owned socialism. Variants exist, to be sure, but all economic structures fall to one side or the other.
What ever happened to "The check is in the mail"? That is one of the great lies of all time, and the basis of the current adminstration's fiscal policy.
For starters, stating that the Western civilation is superior to others, will inevitably make you intolerant of other civilizations.
But I probably expressed myself incorrectly. When I read your ten "short statements" what I take away is that most of them reflect some of the things I feel are wrong with Americans.
1) Their belief they are superior to others. #9
2) Their belief they can do anything and everything by themselves (the UN and Europe are useless). #4
3) Their belief that their's is the only solution to the World's problems #4, #1
As for the rest of the points, some of them might be correct, such as #9, but . . . so what?
CNN, Le Monde, The NY Times are biased towards the left . . . big ing deal!
Fox News Network, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter are biased toward the right . . . one group balances the other. Most of the media sucks anyway, so who cares.
As for #2, I started a thread a few weeks that degenarated into a discussion on this point. You probably think the rich countries should not aid the poor ones. I believe that with such an at ude, the World will always be a ed up place.
Now, I'll probably get Scott and Manny saying I'm a socialist again.
There has been no greater truth uttered in this thread.
Why?Now, I'll probably get Scott and Manny saying I'm a socialist again.
I agree with your post. Yoni's 10 Talking points are the basis behind the perception that Americans are pretentious s.
Again, smeagol, I never called you a socialist, I called your Government Aid idea a socialist concept, which it is- just like all tax funded social projects. Never said there was anything wrong with those, just that they were socialist. Don't confuse objectivity with bias against you.
I think Jennifer Lopez saying "I do" is a great lie.
Don't worry. I know you are not biased against me.
Hey, you should start another God thread. The original was one of the bests threads ever.
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