NBA: Damn that Michael Jordan Alpha Male gene is something different

[lefty]

We all know MJ is hyper compe ive to the the point of being a jerk, that he invented stuff in his head to seek extra motivation, that Cartwright almost killed him, that he ted on everyone during his HOF speech just to make a point , etc etc


Yeah his asshole DNA is what made him the GOAT, he was mean, we all know that, but damn, sometimes he really went HAM

Who was the better defender? Pippen was one of the best and most gifted defenders of all time. But MJ was the better defender. Michael could shut down anyone in the world for a 3 minute span. The best he’s ever seen. (I was pretty shocked by that, but man what does that tell you about MJ, unbelievable.) Jordan was the most ferocious compe or Bach has seen in all his years of basketball. Johnny said physically Jordan and Pippen were about the same as defenders. But when you add in MJ’s ruthlessness and trash talk, that put him ahead of Scottie.
When Johnny was coaching with the Hornets in 1995 they had a good team. Mourning, Johnson. Series was tied at 2 and Hornets had a chance to win game 5 in Chicago. On the biggest possession of the game, Mugsy had the ball with the Hornets down 1. Jordan backed off of him and told him: “shoot it you f—ing midget.” Mugsy shot it, didn’t come close. A year later Mugsy actually told Johnny Bach that he believes that single play ruined his career. His shot never recovered.

The day before game 4 of the Bulls Suns finals with the Bulls leading the series 2-1. Michael and Charles Barkley went golfing. They played 48 holes of golf. And Michael bought Charles a $20,000 diamond earring. Johnny asked MJ, “what did you do all that for?” Michael responded, “he won’t get in my way the rest of the series, what’s $20,000 to me? Charles thinks we’re great friends. I hate that fat f—.” Jordan dropped 55 in game 4 and Barkley never touched him once.

Who’s seriously that sinister? I understand playing chess while others are playing checkers, but if your chess involves corrupting the sacred bonds of friendship then Mr. Jordan I just can’t get down like that. All Chuck wanted to do was play some golf and ice out his ear like the 90′s bawss he was, and here was Michael turning the whole thing into some twisted multi-layered compe ion.

I guess JVG was right when he mad that MJ con-man comment .......

I believe the story is also cited in "The Jordan Rules". Klostermann makes some interesting points in the article and the MJ anecdote is about midway through. Basically, MJ was playing Hearts with his North Carolina's teammate's grandmother. She gets up to go to the bathroom, leaves her cards on the table, and Jordan peeks at them while she's gone. Cheating grandma to win at cards?! Really?

[lefty]

"We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"


"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."


"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."


"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."


"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue


"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his *** into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey King a new one


"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility


I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."


"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."


"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."


"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."


"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."


"It's a of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."


"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey King who was walking into the locker room with a box


"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Davis who was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends


"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine


"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."


"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant


"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."


"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."


"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line


"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate


"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."


"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."


"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team." Too much irony in this one.


"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school." - Michael on Will Perdue


"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious at udes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"


"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."


"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."


"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his *** out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson


"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade


"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch


"Why the don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the ins ution of the private curtain for practices

[lefty]

Good



The time Robert Parish refused to put up with Michael Jordan

Kurt Helin
Mar 9, 2012, 6:37 PM EST

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Getty Images There is a fantastic story up at ESPNBoston.com looking at the end of the first “Big Three” in Boston — Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish.
McHale and Bird finished their careers as Celtics, but people often forget that Parrish spent two years in Charlotte then went on to the 1996-97 Chicago Bulls — the middle season of Michael Jordan’s post-baseball, second threepeat with the Bulls.
By this point Jordan was an established leader whose style was intimidation and pressure. Jordan was the ultimate alpha male who let you get away with nothing.
Parish had been through too much for that, as he tells the story.

In one of his first practices with the Bulls, Parish botched one of the plays and was amused to find Jordan jawing at him just inches from his face.
“I told him, ‘I’m not as enamored with you as these other guys. I’ve got some rings too,’ ” Parish recalled. “At that point he told me, ‘I’m going to kick your ass.’ I took one step closer and said, ‘No, you really aren’t.’ After that he didn’t bother me.”

I imagine Jordan tells that story differently.
Parish played sparingly for that Bulls team — he got in only 43 regular season games and two playoff games — then retired, but with his fourth ring. We will always think of him as a Celtic, but he has at least one good Bulls story, it turns out.

[Stabula]

And now that alpha male is at the helm of the hands-down most horrible team the league has perhaps ever seen.

[hater]

yah you'd think Jordan's compe iveness and intimidation would improve that Bobcats team

that's proof that these quoting and dramatization is mostly hyperinflated BS in order to sell books

[lefty]

Jordan is a horrible owner we all agree on that

[lefty]

yah you'd think Jordan's compe iveness and intimidation would improve that Bobcats team

that's proof that these quoting and dramatization is mostly hyperinflated BS in order to sell books

I dont think so

Jordan the player was a real asshole, it had to be his way

Jordan the owner? it's also his way ... except that in this case his way sucks

[hater]

I dont think so

Jordan the player was a real asshole, it had to be his way

Jordan the owner? it's also his way ... except that in this case his way sucks

sure but all this bull about ppl getting their feelings hurt and getting their careers ruined is BS IMO

I'm sure Jordan was more of a tough love kinda guy than a complete lunatic imo

[DPG21920]

Will Vanderbilt

[DPG21920]

sure but all this bull about ppl getting their feelings hurt and getting their careers ruined is BS IMO

I'm sure Jordan was more of a tough love kinda guy than a complete lunatic imo

No. He is & was a lunatic.

[Killakobe81]

I don't have any issues. We saw what he was at his HOF induction ceremony and compared to David and Stockton how much more hubris was in MJ. But maybe THAT;s why he is the GOAT. I just laugh when MJ fans act like he was all class. He never did this or he never did that. Dude was a ruthless SOB and as long as he won ...that's all that matters. this is not Little league. Where sportsmanship, manners are more important. Is it great that duncan and to some degree Lebron have won WITHOUT this type of raging ego and alpha male bravado? Sure, but MJ kicked ass and won more than anyone not named Kareem or Russell ...

Mj by many accounts was a bigger a-hole than most star players ....Fans just deny it because he was their boyhood idol ...

That chuck story was awesome, btw ...

[lefty]

sure but all this bull about ppl getting their feelings hurt and getting their careers ruined is BS IMO

I'm sure Jordan was more of a tough love kinda guy than a complete lunatic imo

Well yeah

I would still have punched the guy if he tried to humiliate me tbh
By the way what do you think of his HOF speech?

A lot of people think it wasnt that bad, but honestly to me it was bad

[Killakobe81]

Well yeah

I would still have punched the guy if he tried to humiliate me tbh
By the way what do you think of his HOF speech?

A lot of people think it wasnt that bad, but honestly to me it was bad

It was bad. Especially the part where he said he felt sorry for his kids ... he set teh bar so high ... not sure that is going to make any FatherOfTheYearAward speeches in the future ...

[lefty]

holy


Then, in this week’s Sports Illustrated, Thomas Lake chronicled his journey to Wilmington, North Carolina, where he found the Laney High School coach who so famously cut the sop re Jordan, as the mythology goes. The story is central to the Jordan mystique: Jordan’s rise began with humiliation, his greatness an outgrowth of the desire to prove his coach wrong.

Except, as it turns out, Clifton “Pop” Herring never cut Jordan.

He assigned the 5-foot, 10-inch guard to the junior varsity team so he wouldn’t spend his sop re season riding the bench.

Today, Herring is an alcoholic diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The disease took hold and his life began to unravel just a few years after he spent mornings and weekends in the gym with Jordan working on his jump shot.

When Jordan’s jersey was retired and his bronze statue dedicated in 1994, Herring was Jordan’s guest in Chicago. Jordan recognized him during his speech in front of a packed United Center. He called Herring the coach who cut him. Twenty thousand Bulls fans rained down boos.

For Jordan, there is no statute of limitations on bulletin board material—real or perceived. Herring would be the victim of Jordan’s massive lie forever, but that alone wasn’t enough. Herring was flown halfway across the country so he would never forget that he had wronged the immortal Jordan.

[hater]

Well yeah

I would still have punched the guy if he tried to humiliate me tbh
By the way what do you think of his HOF speech?

A lot of people think it wasnt that bad, but honestly to me it was bad

thing is humiliation happens a lot in pro sports when dealing with superstars that have superhuman talent.

mere humans just look stupid next to them and will get told off eventually.

Sure Jordan could have treated them nicely and all equal. But then we wouldn't be discussing Jordan cause he would not have won 6 championships.

sure he was tough but IMO not much more than having an asshole of a boss, and there are millions of those.

[Killakobe81]

holy


Then, in this week’s Sports Illustrated, Thomas Lake chronicled his journey to Wilmington, North Carolina, where he found the Laney High School coach who so famously cut the sop re Jordan, as the mythology goes. The story is central to the Jordan mystique: Jordan’s rise began with humiliation, his greatness an outgrowth of the desire to prove his coach wrong.

Except, as it turns out, Clifton “Pop” Herring never cut Jordan.

He assigned the 5-foot, 10-inch guard to the junior varsity team so he wouldn’t spend his sop re season riding the bench.

Today, Herring is an alcoholic diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The disease took hold and his life began to unravel just a few years after he spent mornings and weekends in the gym with Jordan working on his jump shot.

When Jordan’s jersey was retired and his bronze statue dedicated in 1994, Herring was Jordan’s guest in Chicago. Jordan recognized him during his speech in front of a packed United Center. He called Herring the coach who cut him. Twenty thousand Bulls fans rained down boos.

For Jordan, there is no statute of limitations on bulletin board material—real or perceived. Herring would be the victim of Jordan’s massive lie forever, but that alone wasn’t enough. Herring was flown halfway across the country so he would never forget that he had wronged the immortal Jordan.

I read that. It's jacked up how he did him ...and the guy they took over him from his HS. Mj NEVER forgets ...
But again, I would want my son to play like MJ ... not emulate him as a person ...

[DPG21920]

I'm going to start calling Koolaid Man Caprisun Man because he doesn't deserve to be named after a top 10 drank IMO.

[lefty]

The way I see it, MJ was a very insecure person

[Michael Jordan.]

I'm going to start calling Koolaid Man Caprisun Man because he doesn't deserve to be named after a top 10 drank IMO.

[Killakobe81]

I'm going to start calling Koolaid Man Caprisun Man because he doesn't deserve to be named after a top 10 drank IMO.

Ok that was pretty funny ..

Wonder what Mj thinks of the "bullying" and the Incognito story?
I bet Kerr, brad Sellers, Stacy King Kwame Brown and Horace could make a compelling case against MJ.

And Horace HATED Mj for a while ... i dont think Mj ever ahs forgiven him, tbh. If you notice he always mentions Scotti,e , he even mentions Oak more when reminiscing on his playing days. I wonder if the whole truth will ever come to light. I remember someone had a sign that said Mj has not won a le without Horace after the Magic beat the bulls whee jordan wore 45 ... he was so pissed 72 ...happened the next year. no way were the bulls losing to the Magic if they faced again. MJ was on a mission.

[lefty]

I wonder if the whole truth will ever come to light. .

Never

MJ will destroy their lives

Not to mention that the current U.S president must be a huge MJ fan; one phone call from Mike and it will be taken care off

[D-Wade]

Killa's got it. MJ is my all-time favorite player but I'm not sure I'd like him if I was grown and watching him today. It's one thing to be ruthless on the court. It's another to be hedging and positioning yourself in every part of your life. That's a sociopath. While current guys like KD go overboard with the chumminess, the current crop of stars are much more likable compe ors.

[hater]

the current crop of stars are all pussies.

fixed it fo ya

[HI-FI]

I always call Kobe a sociopath, which he obviously is, but I've always given MJ the benefit of the doubt since he was my favorite player after Magic and I owned tons of Air Jordan as a youth. But it's pretty obvious the guy was a ed up individual in retrospect. I've also believed his gambling led to his father's death.

I thought his HOF speech was horrible. I know Phil Jackson liked it, felt like it was pure MJ, but to me, he was drunk as and still nursing grudges, making mountains out of molehills. just not something you would expect at the moment of enshrinement.

MJ was phenomenal to watch, the real deal on the court unlike Rapist in LA. I still think MJ was the best and worst thing to happen to basketball. Best because he was electric, made the sport blow up overseas, but bad because the league went out of its way to protect its biggest asset. Both on the court and off, the league went too far and set a bad precedent imo.

[Brazil]

That's Jordan one of the greatest athlete of all time and one of the worst human being