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he's 0-2.
...i think he could be when this year is all said and done. dude is NAILS in the pocket and the season only gets easier from here on out. plus, Fitzgerald was out of this game. i don't know what the best years are for rookie QBs, but someone, if not me, should find out.
he's 0-2.
he, being part of a team...then yes.
i did a little research and Peyton Mannings rating his first year was 71 and Favre's 85. there, of course, is more to it than ratings...but considering the o-line in Arizona and if Leinart can continue to play better each week, i think he could be.
pretty good stuff on Mike & Mike right now, they were just saying how tremendous Leinart is...and he is. i know his team is 0-2 in his two starts, but if the coaches were not inept they would be 2-0. both games followed the same outline...agressive early>>>big lead then going conservative>>>meltdown.
Big Ben was 13-0 his rookie season, Kyle Orton was 10-5.
Leinart is playing well but he needs to start winning.
But to be fair.....Aikman went 0-11 his first year..then won 3 SB's and is in the HOF.
if his line can't run block, he's never going to win. if they get rid of the nutty professor or he gets out of arizona he may win.
Sami....geez, i cannot believe you brought up tiny ben. he is a product of a great team around him. if Leinart was on the Steelers he would NEVER lose a game. Leinart already does everything better than ben....of course, i should stress, i don't think ben is a good QB. just in the right place at the right time.
as relevant as what you said...this year:
ben 1-3 >>>losses were ben's fault, 7 INTs and 0 TDs
Leinart 0-2>>>coaches fault
In his first professional season, Dan Marino threw for 2,210 yards and 20 touchdowns. He was named NFL Rookie of the Year and he was also the first rookie to start at quarterback in the Pro Bowl.
Marino wins just by going to the super bowl.
Your love for Leinart is sickening. We need a jack off smiley for this time.
Leinart isn't the best rookie QB ever, sorry guy. He is good but not even close to the best.
JGW, relax bro...don't get your burgandy and gold up...I was just throwing out stats. I also said Leinart was playing well and I also brought up a Hall of Fame QB who also had a slow start as a good comparison. (guess you missed that part.
i figured Marino had a good rookie year, i am going to check out his stats cause i am curious how he did. though he was obviously on a better team than Leinart is. and that makes a huge difference.
just for the record, i am being a bit facetious...and its only cause there are so many dumbasses on this board.
JGW, relax bro...don't get your burgandy and gold up
i did not miss anything you said. i just happen to think ben is a poor QB and i disagree with your statement, that one could argue ben could put up better #s elsewhere. its simple...every time ben is asked to throw more than about 25 times in a game he usually SUCKS. the team succeeds b/c it has a nasty defense and a great run game. is ben a good fit for the steelers?....he's not bad, definitely not great, but not bad. on any team without an amazing defense and run game he would absolutely suck.
You are right because the system he is in is not condusive to that many attempts. You put him in a system that is more suited to that and he could (key word is could) have better numbers. It can be argued. Anything can...this board proves it!
Just about any QB on a team without an amazing defense and run game would suck. You need that for a successful team. What Leinart needs is a better front office to get him some o-line help.
Arizona's defense is OK and they have ZERO run game. Leinart is even better than his #s then, right?You are right because the system he is in is not condusive to that many attempts. You put him in a system that is more suited to that and he could (key word is could) have better numbers. It can be argued. Anything can...this board proves it!
Just about any QB on a team without an amazing defense and run game would suck. You need that for a successful team. What Leinart needs is a better front office to get him some o-line help.
I think he is. I was on record saying when he was at SC that he was, IMO, the best prepared for the pro's of all the QB's coming out. He is still a rookie and will still make mistakes but even the opponents have been impressed. Alex Brown of the Bears said before the game that watching him on film he seemed very poised and seemed more like a vet than a rookie.
Leinart is a stud, no question, and the Arizona Cardinals will eventually be successful- just not this year.
Marino didn't go to the Super Bowl as a rookie. His rookie year was the 1983 season. Super Bowl XVIII followed the 1983 season, and the Raiders and Redskins played in that game. Marino, like Roethisberger, played in the Super Bowl as a second year player.
It's hard to compare rookie QB's because so few players ever really get the chance to be full-time starters as true rookies coming out of college, and usually when they do get that chance, it's with teams that were horrendous the season before.
If you compare players who never played and then became starters, I'm pretty certain that nobody will ever approach Kurt Warner's 1999 season. Warner had played in 1 NFL game before that season started. Brady's 2001 season would be a close second, just because he won the Super Bowl. But, of course, neither of those guys was truly a "rookie" in those cir stances.
My bad, I meant pro bowl.
Two words for you guys though, JAY CUTLER.
Did you see that amazing 2nd half by Matt?
Once he calmed down after the 1st 2 drives he was, well, very average.
Hmmm, how many other rookie QBs have at least 1 win so far?
interesting and good points. and, imo, further my (even though facetious) original claim.
I'm not sure how any of that furthers your claim -- I frankly don't have the time or the inclination to go back and extensively review the statistics compiled by true rookie QBs over NFL history. I suspect that, in the end, there will be rookies whose numbers were better than Leinart's will end up being. I like Leinart, but I'm not sold on him being the best anything ever and I think he'll have a successful career if he just manages to make a few Pro Bowls and get his team into the playoffs a few times. I'm not sold on the fact that he's more dynamic than a Montana, Elway, Favre, Aikman, or even Kelly. He's a good prospect and has a chance to be successful. Let's leave it at that.
By the way, Warner's 1999 season is still remarkable for a guy who had basically never played before in the NFL:
325-499 (65.1% completions), 4353 yards, 41 TD, 13 INT, 109.2 passer rating
Some stats:
Highest Passer Rating, Rookie, Season
98.1 Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh, 2004
96.0 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983
88.2 Greg Cook, Cincinnati, 1969
Highest Completion Percentage, Rookie, Season
66.44 Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh, 2004 (295-196)
58.45 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983 (296-173)
57.18 Byron Leftwich, Jacksonville, 2003 (418-239)
Most Yards Gained, Rookie, Season
3,739 Peyton Manning, Indianapolis, 1998
2,931 Chris Weinke, Carolina, 2001
2,833 Rick Mirer, Seattle, 1993
Highest Average Gain, Rookie, Season
9.411 Greg Cook, Cincinnati, 1969 (197-1,854)
9.409 Bob Waterfield, Cleveland, 1945 (171-1,609)
8.88 Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh, 2004 (295-2,621)
Most Touchdown Passes, Rookie, Season
26 Peyton Manning, Indianapolis, 1998
22 Charlie Conerly, N.Y. Giants, 1948
20 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983
Lowest Percentage, Passes Had Intercepted, Rookie, Season
1.98 Charlie Batch, Detroit, 1998 (303-6)
2.03 Dan Marino, Miami, 1983 (296-6)
2.10 Gary Wood, N.Y. Giants, 1964 (143-3)
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