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    GOP headache: The birther issue

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25444.html

    When lawmakers return home for recess in August, they can expect to hear tough questions from cons uents on the economy, health care and government spending.


    But Republicans are preparing for something else: the birthers.


    As GOP Rep. Mike Castle learned the hard way back home in Delaware this month, there’s no easy way to deal with the small but vocal crowd of right-wing activists who refuse to believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States.


    At a town hall meeting in Georgetown, a woman demanded to know why Castle and his colleagues were “ignoring” questions about Obama’s birth certificate — questions that have been put to rest repeatedly by state officials in Hawaii, where the birth certificate and all other credible evidence show that Obama was born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961.


    When Castle countered that Obama is, in fact, “a citizen of the United States,” the crowd erupted in boos, the woman seized control of the gathering and led a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. The video went viral; by Sunday, it had been viewed on YouTube more than half a million times.


    And birthers say members should expect more of the same in the coming weeks.


    “Absolutely,” says California resident Orly Taitz, the Russian-born attorney/dentist who has become a kind of ringleader for the movement. “It is a very important issue, one that politicians should have taken up a long time ago.”


    Moments after speaking with POLITICO Saturday, Taitz posted a call to arms on her blog:


    “I believe it is a serious concern and I hope that each and every decent American comes to town hall meetings with a video camera and demands action,” she wrote.


    Having seen his colleague Castle come under attack, Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.) is taking no chances.


    “Before I got back to Michigan before the break, we’ll go through it, so that we’re versed in it,” Hoekstra said recently. “Just like anything else, if you see a hot issue ... it’s sort of like, ‘Let me go take a look at this and see what the status is.’”


    Hoekstra believes there’s no “compelling case” questioning Obama’s origins. But after talking to Castle about his town hall, he knows that he’d better be ready with an answer.


    The trick: What do you say?


    Of the various approaches a put-on-the-spot pol can take, each carries its own risk of alienating cons uents. Pick up a pitchfork in the cause of this conspiracy theory, and you risk damaging your reputation in the mainstream while aligning yourself with a movement some regard as having racist undertones.


    Rep. John Campbell (R-Calif.), co-sponsor of legislation that would force candidates to show their birth certificates, was widely mocked after he told MSNBC’s Chris Matthews that Obama is a U.S. citizen — “as far as I know.”


    However, members who decide to challenge the conspiracy theory, as Castle did mildly, risk ticking off a shrill minority who can upend their events and then post the video on the Web.


    And those who try to split the difference may find themselves getting doubly burned.


    At a Wyoming town hall in April, birthers jumped on freshman Republican Rep. Cynthia Lummis.


    “I’m not questioning your concern,” Lummis told the crowd, according to the Wyoming Eagle Tribune. “I am questioning whether there is credible evidence.”


    The congresswoman ended up asking for anyone who had “evidence” to send it to her.


    At a walk-in meeting in Sen. Tom Coburn’s Washington office, birthers gave the Oklahoma Republican’s chief of staff nine pages of do entation in support of their claims. The group later billed the meeting a success on one of Taitz’s blogs.


    But when asked about the meeting, Coburn spokesman Don Tatro said that the office was simply trying to be “polite” and that “it is possible to mistake politeness for agreement.”


    According to his office, Colorado Republican Rep. Doug Lamborn has received 33 inquiries about Obama’s origins, with 10 coming in over the past week.

    So far, Hoekstra hasn’t faced any such questions.


    “When you’re in a state with 15.2 percent unemployment,” he said, “most people have other things on their mind than this.”


    But as if to illustrate the touchiness of the subject, Hoekstra quickly added: “Not that this isn’t important.”


    Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) has also tried to find the elusive middle ground.


    "They have a point," he said of the birthers last week. "I don't discourage it. ... But I'm going to pursue defeating [Obama] on things that I think are very destructive to America."


    Inhofe put out a statement Monday clarifying his comment:


    "The point that they make is the Cons utional mandate that the U.S. president be a natural born citizen, and the White House has not done a very good job of dispelling the concerns of these citizens," he said. "My focus is on issues where I can make a difference to stop the liberal agenda being pushed by President Obama."


    Out-party politicians have long had to deal with conspiracy theorists on their side — the people who think that the Clintons killed Vince Foster or that the Bush administration helped orchestrate the Sept. 11 attacks.


    “Twenty-five percent of my people believe the Pentagon and Rumsfeld were responsible for taking the twin towers down,” said Rep. Collin Peterson, a Democrat who represents a conservative Republican district in Minnesota. “That’s why I don’t do town meetings.”


    But the birther phenomenon may present a bigger challenge — a potent blend of race and politics, fueled by conservative TV and radio pundits, and played out in a day when all that stands between a town hall meeting and Web omnipresence is a $100 flip cam.


    Republican pollster Whit Ayers says that a member confronted with birther questions should immediately pivot the conversation back to big issues.


    “You simply indicate that in a country where our fiscal policy is driving us toward bankruptcy, where we are wrestling with major issues of health care reform and fighting two wars for our safety, you don’t have time to deal with wild conspiracy theories,” he says.


    That’s the approach House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence of Indiana takes.


    “On that issue, I’m pretty distinctive that the president is from Hawaii,” he said. “I just don’t know where he’s coming from on health care.”


    Such a response might satisfy many, or even most, but Taitz says that until Obama is removed from office, America’s other problems cannot be addressed. The fact that a few members of Congress have taken up her cause, with 10 Republicans signing onto Floria Republican Rep. Bill Posey’s legislation to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, has only encouraged her to buckle down in the fight.


    As Taitz sees it, Campbell, who represents her congressional district in Southern California, was moved to co-sponsor the “Birthers’ bill” for fear of people like her.


    Campbell spokesperson Muffy Lewis flatly denied that being the case, saying the issue of Obama’s birth certificate is a low priority in the congressman’s district. Plus, Campbell has stressed that the bill would apply only to future candidates — and is really just about avoiding these kinds of controversies in the future.


    “It really wasn’t as much about cons uents as it was his own principles,” said Lewis. “He thought it was a common-sense bill. Castle had a major issue [in his district], but it hasn’t been much of an issue in ours.”


    But Taitz said that lawmakers everywhere should be prepared to “resign or be removed” if they “do not have the guts to stand for the Cons ution and this country.”


    Asked whether Republican lawmakers should be “afraid” of the birthers, Taitz said: “I wouldn’t say the word ‘afraid.’ I think they should be willing to resign or be removed. That is what they should do. ... Resign if you do not have the guts to stand for the Cons ution of this country.”


    Taitz has made nine trips around the country to rally support for her cause. In March, she traveled to Washington to personally hand out packets of do ents to senators in the Hart Senate Office Building. Additionally, she says she has sent do ents by certified mail to each of the members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, arguing that Obama is “totally illegitimate to be president.”


    While the movement could be “politically threatening for particular Republicans,” Taitz says that the GOP as a whole has a chance to gain from it if it takes the right course of action.
    The GOP is running from the sommersets and yoni's of the world..

    Keep it up you guys are doing a great job..

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    GOP leadership links to the birther movement...

    Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele is one of a handful of high-profile Republicans that Orly Taitz, has become 'friends' with on Facebook.


    Orly Taitz, the California attorney-dentist leading the charge of the so-called birthers movement, is boasting on her blog that she’s made some high-profile “friends” on Facebook: Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, House Republican Whip Eric Cantor and GOP Reps. Mary Bono Mack and Cynthia Lummis.


    “I am in total disbelief and greatly honored,” Taitz wrote on her blog today after Cantor appeared as one of her Facebook "friends." “To me it means that the leadership of the Republican party understands the importance of the issues and legal cases I brought forward. I hope more congressmen and senators join and either become additional plaintiffs or bring to the House and Senate judicial committee hearings the issues of Obama’s illegitimacy to presidency as well as suspected illegal activities by Obama and his supporters.
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    This is coming with the blessings from the GOP...what a can of worms

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    Today, Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) introduced a resolution commemorating the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood. The resolution also proclaims the state as President Obama’s birthplace, a point the Plum Line’s Greg Sargent noted may “put House GOPers who are flirting with birtherism in a jam.” This afternoon on the House floor, Abercrombie spoke of his measure and specifically noted that Obama had been born in Hawaii. “It’s also going to be the birthday in a week or so of President Obama, born in Kapiolani hospital just down the road from where I lived,” he said. Just as the presiding chair of the House, Rep. Elijah mings (D-MD), was about to declare the resolution passed by voice vote, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) stood and objected:


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    The GOP is just going off a cliff. Almost all they have left are the nutters and extremists. They seem bent on driving the moderates out, thinking that is the solution, when it only deepens the problem.

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    The GOP is just going off a cliff. Almost all they have left are the nutters and extremists. They seem bent on driving the moderates out, thinking that is the solution, when it only deepens the problem.
    Well Hush did say that they need to weed out all of the moderates..

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    For the record, I believe Barack H. Obama was born in Hawaii, a U. S. State, in 1961; making him a natural born U. S. Citizen.

    Now, having said that, this is entertaining. They've got the President's Press Spokesman talking about it in the White House Press Room. And, it also causes this idiot's life to be examined more closely than the press bothered during the campaign.

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    I believe Obama is a bad American and I am not a republican. This story is pure entertainment for s and something the Obama dems can say "thats how every republican thinks"

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    Jack, I know, scientifically, because the Flying Spaghetti Monster wants me to know it, that you are great jackass.

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    For the record, I believe Barack H. Obama was born in Hawaii, a U. S. State, in 1961; making him a natural born U. S. Citizen.

    Now, having said that, this is entertaining. They've got the President's Press Spokesman talking about it in the White House Press Room. And, it also causes this idiot's life to be examined more closely than the press bothered during the campaign.
    I don't know, man. What's right is right; Obama is a natural born citizen. You have to pick your battles. (I also happen to think it's a stupid rule, but it's in the Cons ution. I wouldn't waste my time trying to prove it, though.)

    "Birthers" bring scorn and ridicule on themselves and, by extension---unfair as it may be---the entire opposition to Obama. It makes people who disagree with Obama appear to be petty and insane. Why would you want to have to defend yourself against being associated with these people?

    Persuading wishy-washy supporters of Obama to switch sides should be based on sound arguments about his policies and his abilities as president. Not collateral, meaningless, dead-end conspiracy theories.

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    I don't know, man. What's right is right; Obama is a natural born citizen. You have to pick your battles. (I also happen to think it's a stupid rule, but it's in the Cons ution. I wouldn't waste my time trying to prove it, though.)

    "Birthers" bring scorn and ridicule on themselves and, by extension---unfair as it may be---the entire opposition to Obama. It makes people who disagree with Obama appear to be petty and insane. Why would you want to have to defend yourself against being associated with these people?

    Persuading wishy-washy supporters of Obama to switch sides should be based on sound arguments about his policies and his abilities as president. Not collateral, meaningless, dead-end conspiracy theories.
    I disagree. They no more extend to all Obama opponents than did 9-11 truther extended to all Bush opponents.

    It's really entertaining.

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    I disagree. They no more extend to all Obama opponents than did 9-11 truther extended to all Bush opponents.

    It's really entertaining.
    Eh, most people I've spoken to seem pretty repulsed by the whole thing. Mostly because they're not insane, I guess.

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    I don't understand why so-called "conservatives" have made such an issue about this, it's unacceptable. Read here;

    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Govern...nt-a0126016462

    Just a few years ago Sen. Hatch (R-Utah) was cool with the idea of a foreign born President, why isn't he trying to calm the crazies clinging to his party's values? There's soooo much more important , so much INJUSTICE in our local communities and around the world, why do we waste time? Obama could be from Mars, but he's trying to help folks that can't exactly helps themselves because of the way the system has evolved...and people don't like that they will have to sacrifice anything. It's that sense of en lement to unlimited potential with obviously limited resources that will run this country into the ground.

    We don't live in the supreme America we read about in our history books, the world is changing and we need to adapt. What, you think this would last forever? Nope, so we need to get united and take care of each other instead of arguing over semantics and other petty bull . We got terrorists trying to kill us, foreign countries robbing us in oil prices, and vastly decreasing natural resources...and people argue over a birth certificate? A birth certificate? A whole world of problems and you wanna talk about a birth certificate? *in Allen Iverson voice*

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    At least this issues gives the talking drones on MSNBC something to talk about.

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    You watch MSNBC?

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    Hardly anyone does, according to the ratings.

    I will sometimes watch Olbermann/Maddow for a few laughs.

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    One wonders why you keep ing about the network if no one watches it.

    It was discussed on Fox too. I watched it for laughs.

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    The thing that you would think would kill this movement (as well as other dumbass conspiracies, e.g. 911, JFK, etc) is the silence of the co-conspirators.

    People are notorious for not being able to keep their mouths shut, even if they fear for their own lives.


    So, if there are people that "know the truth" about Obama's "real" place of birth, their silence is deafening.


    Similar to the silence of 911 conspirators and JFK conspirators. Nothing, zilch, nada.

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    Get the over this. I do believe that Obama has sucked ass president so far but he's an American. He was born in Hawaii. Case closed.

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    I agree with the editorial at National Review Online:

    Pres. Barack Obama has a birthday coming up, a week from Tuesday. We hope he takes the day off—or even the whole week, the briefest of respites from his busy schedule of truncating our liberties while exhausting both the public coffers and our patience....

    One of the unfortunate consequences of this red-herring discussion is that there are plenty of questions about Obama’s background and history that we would like to have answered. In spite of two books of memoirs, there remain murky areas in his biography. And when it comes to those college transcripts, count us among those who’d love to know whether Dr. Bailout ever took an advanced economics class and how he performed in it.

    Barack Obama may prefer European-style socialized health care. He may consider himself a citizen of the Earth and sometimes address his audiences as “people of the world,” as though he were born not in another country but on another planet. Like Bruce Springsteen, he has a lot of bad political ideas; but he was born in the U.S.A.

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    Hey, the country's headed off a fiscal cliff and this issue matters?

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    I wonder the same about abortion, gay rights, and other comparative nonsense considering the edge America hugs.

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    I don't understand why so-called "conservatives" have made such an issue about this
    The reason you don't understand it is because conservatives didn't make an issue of it...the administration did. Healthcare support tanking, Obama screwed up getting involved in Gates issue, what to do? what to do?...oh yeah change the subject to something that makes conservatives look bad. Standard political tactic.

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    Anyone see the ridiculous attorney on Colbert Report? Did someone forget to tell her that he is mocking her and not really agreeing with her?

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    The reason you don't understand it is because conservatives didn't make an issue of it...the administration did. Healthcare support tanking, Obama screwed up getting involved in Gates issue, what to do? what to do?...oh yeah change the subject to something that makes conservatives look bad. Standard political tactic.
    More like a meeting of opportunity and the nutroots IMO.

    Liz Cheney, Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh and Alan Keyes aren't administration operatives that I know of. They're the ones who mainstreamed this story.

    IMO The administration is only responding to irresponsible pundits and pols who pander to the GOP base by continuing to give this absurd story oxygen. Is it opportunistic? Sure. But Gibbs didn't have to manufacture the opportunity. Liz Cheney, Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh gave it to him with a bow on top.

    As the First Readers noticed and as James Rainey recounted in The Los Angeles Times, last week, Lou Dobbs fielded a call from a birther — “David from Freeport, N.Y.,” — who was “musing darkly about President Obama ‘rushing all these programs through by whatever means,’ knowing he will soon be exposed as a fake, a fraud, a … Kenyan.”
    “Certainly your view can’t be discounted,” Dobbs replied.

    On Monday, Rush Limbaugh went further: “Barack Obama has yet to have to prove he’s a citizen. All he’d have to do is show a birth certificate.”


    Last night on Larry King, Liz Cheney passed up several chances to “denounce the birthers,” writes Joan Walsh in Salon. Instead, “Cheney demurred, telling King the Birther movement exists because “People are uncomfortable with a president who is reluctant to defend the nation overseas.’ ”
    "[Obama] is spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars to keep this information from getting out," said Gary Kreep, the lawyer representing former presidential candidate Alan Keyes, who sued Obama in California to prevent the state from certifying its election results.
    One of Florida's new members of Congress, Rep. Bill Posey, R-Rockledge, has filed a bill in the U.S. House to require presidential candidates to prove they were born here. For those who still believe President Barack Obama was really born abroad instead of Hawaii, despite the evidence to the contrary, Posey's bill would offer no immediate relief. But if passed, it would apply to his reelection campaign in 2012.


    "This bill, by simply requiring such do entation forfuture candidates for President will remove this issue as a reason for questioning the legitimacy of a candidate elected as President," Posey said in a statement.



    Posey wouldn't say if he thinks Obama is a citizen, but his spokesman told Politico:" I think he's willing to take the president's word for it. If the president wanted to put an end to the whole thing he could order Hawaii to release the authentic birth certificate. That's up to him."

    Speaking to the Texas-based Chad Hasty radio show yesterday, Rep Randy Neugebauer (R-TX) explained his support for the “birther” movement:
    Q: So you believe the President is a US citizen?


    NEUGEBAUER: You know I don’t know. I’ve never seen him produce do ents that would say one way or another.
    Mike Castle (R-DEL), was recently shouted down by his own birther cons uents:



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    I'm not being a smartass here - I'm truly interested to know: were George W. Bush, his father, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan, or Jimmy Carter ever made to prove their citizenship?

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