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    I thought you said you weren't siding with anybody, Yoni...

    Why the sudden change of heart?
    Because I agreed with the premise Chumpbait was suggesting I was or, did I say something else somewhere else in the thread?

    DISCLAIMER: I don't believe we have enough of the facts to know who started the altercation that escalated to George Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin. But, after consuming everything I could, in the public domain, I think it's more probable Zimmerman's story is accurate than any scenario that results in him murdering Martin.

    If that's siding with Zimmerman, oh well. I just think it's applying critical thinking to the known facts, combined with my not insignificant experience in the field, and expressing a somewhat educated opinion.

    All other things being equal, had Martin been the 28 year-old neighborhood watchman and Zimmerman the 17 year-old su ious person, I would believe the same way.
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    i think there might be enough evidence to more than merely suggest that george was out hunting for a victim to satisfy his appe e.
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    Fuzzbot is a chronic lair. Why are you debating the dip ?
    When i call Darrin a liar it because he knowingly told us something was from BEST, used that misinformation to ridicule us for about a day and then it came to light that the graph was from a Guardian mailer and put together from them.

    That was a obvious unmistakable lie in an attempt to falsify credibility in a discussion of a topic. It is what it is and I still call him on it. Its obvious that in these arguments he will willfully lie to support his claims.

    When i call you stupid, its because you change parts on generators yet do not understand the properties of flywheels and capacitors or give credence to the notion that combustion in the troposphere from solar wind caused Noah's flood, or hit on a woman by revealing you stalk her, or put together cheesy graphs from data that you don't understand or think sterilizing the poor is not eugenics.

    Now if you are going to make claims about me being a liar then the honorable thing would be to actually point to something that I lie about. Anything really.
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    i think there might be enough evidence to more than merely suggest that george was out hunting for a victim to satisfy his appe e.
    And stupid statements like this aren't persuasive in the least.
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    well, cobra kinda has to defend this george guy.

    after all, he's a colleague!!!!!
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    i think there might be enough evidence to more than merely suggest that george was out hunting for a victim to satisfy his appe e.
    Do you realize the police were there very soon after the shot was fired? That would be really ballsy of Zimmerman to call the police enough in advance to possible be caught red handed.

    If you don't believe me, listen to all the 911 calls that others made. I believe at least two of them sees flashlights going that way right after the shooting
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    Because I agreed with the premise Chumpbait was suggesting I was or, did I say something else somewhere else in the thread?

    DISCLAIMER: I don't believe we have enough of the facts to know who started the altercation that escalated to George Zimmerman shooting Trayvon Martin. But, after consuming everything I could, in the public domain, I think it's more probable Zimmerman's story is accurate than any scenario that results in him murdering Martin.

    If that's siding with Zimmerman, oh well. I just think it's applying critical thinking to the known facts, combined with my not insignificant experience in the field, and expressing a somewhat educated opinion.

    All other things being equal, had Martin been the 28 year-old neighborhood watchman and Zimmerman the 17 year-old su ious person, I would believe the same way.
    If you truly have professional experience then you should know that when its obvious that you have little of the 'facts' and that the public domain is full of conflicting information that the prudent thing would be to withold judgement. Its irresponsible.

    You have a horse in this race and its Zimmerman. This is nothing more than cheers as they round the first bend.
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    Actually, I'm saying there's pretty much no way you would've sided with the black kid due to your gas station PTSD.
    Lol what gas station PTSD?
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    And stupid statements like this aren't persuasive in the least.
    sorry you're upset yoni.

    all we know for sure is that this guy was out with his gun....looking for prey....found prey....stalked prey.....killed prey.

    these are known facts.
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    Do you realize the police were there very soon after the shot was fired? That would be really ballsy of Zimmerman to call the police enough in advance to possible be caught red handed.

    If you don't believe me, listen to all the 911 calls that others made. I believe at least two of them sees flashlights going that way right after the shooting
    george doesn't seem to care. he went hunting.
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    sorry you're upset yoni.

    all we know for sure is that this guy was out with his gun....looking for prey....found prey....stalked prey.....killed prey.

    these are known facts.
    The only fact is he had a gun, and killed. If you have facts to indicate Martin was prey, then you need to go and testify.
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    The only fact is he had a gun, and killed. If you have facts to indicate Martin was prey, then you need to go and testify.
    he stalked the guy. of all people......i don't need to tell you.
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    Lol what gas station PTSD?
    a life altering moment in yoni world.
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    he stalked the guy. of all people......i don't need to tell you.
    I think you need to look up the words "stalk," stalking," and the legal defined usage of "stalking." You will find you are wrong. I'm not going to bother linking it for you. I find it funny how often you prove your ignorance to everyone here.
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    Lol what gas station PTSD?
    It's fixated on a story I told several years ago about a frightening encounter I had with an African-American at a gas station in Inglewood, California -- shortly after the Rodney King riots.

    I forget the context in which I told the story but, since it's the only time I've every related a personal experience where I thought I was being singled out -- and threatened -- by a black person, because I was white, it has latched on and just won't let go.

    Nevermind the stories I've never told about my encounters with African-Americans where race wasn't a factor so it wasn't important. In the case of the gas station story, race was a factor so I told the story.

    Chumpy has built a legend around that thread.
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    I think you need to look up the words "stalk," stalking," and the legal defined usage of "stalking." You will find you are wrong. I'm not going to bother linking it for you. I find it funny how often you prove your ignorance to everyone here.
    i don't need to do that. and i know how sensitive the stalking subject is to you.

    i'm sure george wouldn't like the label. just as you hate being one.
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    I think you need to look up the words "stalk," stalking," and the legal defined usage of "stalking." You will find you are wrong. I'm not going to bother linking it for you. I find it funny how often you prove your ignorance to everyone here.
    It actually would be menacing.

    Stalking is repeated actions like looking up someones personal information and address and then repeatedly sending them unwanted emails.
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    i don't need to do that. and i know how sensitive the stalking subject is to you.

    i'm sure george wouldn't like the label. just as you hate being one.
    So you admit that you are just being a bully again.

    I think you should grow up. This isn't grade school you know.
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    It's fixated on a story I told several years ago about a frightening encounter I had with an African-American at a gas station in Inglewood, California -- shortly after the Rodney King riots.

    I forget the context in which I told the story but, since it's the only time I've every related a personal experience where I thought I was being singled out -- and threatened -- by a black person, because I was white, it has latched on and just won't let go.

    Nevermind the stories I've never told about my encounters with African-Americans where race wasn't a factor so it wasn't important. In the case of the gas station story, race was a factor so I told the story.

    Chumpy has built a legend around that thread.
    i'll remind you of the context. its where your racism shined brightly!!!

    although i give you props for your 15 minutes of "cracker for cain"
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    You have a horse in this race and its Zimmerman. This is nothing more than cheers as they round the first bend.
    Well put.

    Too many people have their heels dug in one way or the other. Not sure what the hurry is.

    You can blame the media, and they certainly have not treated this story with much restraint or journalistic integrity, but the media machine runs on ratings, clicks, feedback, and other performance indicators that drive ad revenue, all of which are in the public's control.
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    It's fixated on a story I told several years ago about a frightening encounter I had with an African-American at a gas station in Inglewood, California -- shortly after the Rodney King riots.

    I forget the context in which I told the story but, since it's the only time I've every related a personal experience where I thought I was being singled out -- and threatened -- by a black person, because I was white, it has latched on and just won't let go.

    Nevermind the stories I've never told about my encounters with African-Americans where race wasn't a factor so it wasn't important. In the case of the gas station story, race was a factor so I told the story.

    Chumpy has built a legend around that thread.
    So you have PTSD related to the incident and think you can be objective about a confrontation between a black man and a white man where the allegations are unclear?

    Sorry that happened but its pretty textbook inherent bias.
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    Well put.

    Too many people have their heels dug in one way or the other. Not sure what the hurry is.

    You can blame the media, and they certainly have not treated this story with much restraint or journalistic integrity, but the media machine runs on ratings, clicks, feedback, and other performance indicators that drive ad revenue, all of which are in the public's control.
    I don't have my heels dug in, I'm just believing Zimmerman's story over the Lynch mob's. That will change if the facts dictate so.
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    I don't have my heels dug in, I'm just believing Zimmerman's story over the Lynch mob's.
    You have 230 posts in this thread. Your heels are dug in.
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    "Stalking is repeated actions like looking up someones personal information and address and then repeatedly sending them unwanted emails."

    that's online stalking, harassment.

    stalking is traditionally. primarily physically shadowing, trailing or watching someone.
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    I think you need to look up the words "stalk," stalking," and the legal defined usage of "stalking." You will find you are wrong. I'm not going to bother linking it for you. I find it funny how often you prove your ignorance to everyone here.
    verb (used with object) 2. to pursue (a person or animal) stealthily
    .....unless the prey is on a flaglot
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