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    Which view? The view TheProfessor and I agree the affidavit was poorly done? Or, the view TheProfessor and I disagree over the importance of that?
    This...

    Eh, it's a PC affidavit. They just have to prove it in court. There's enough there cir stantially to infer some confrontation. I personally would prefer that they use simpler language that paints that picture instead of using argumentative language, but these people have been doing it a lot longer than I have.
    ...is "agreeing that it was poorly done"?

    I disagree that's what the Professor is stating.

    I'm a bit unclear on this point but, I believe state prosecutors are considered law enforcement officers; many are commissioned as peace officers.

    That's what I recall from my previous life. TheProfessor?
    If anything, that would imply prosecutors to be much more knowledgeable than your average law enforcement officer. That would make sense seeing they had to study law. It does not, however, means that your average cop is well versed in the legalese.

    You don't call a prosecutor to defend you either. Unless, of course, he's no longer prosecuting and has hung up his shingle as a defense attorney.
    If I had a prosecutor friend, I would be more than comfortable to ask him for legal advice.

    Your average cop, and that includes you, never had a legal degree to begin with.
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    This...

    ...is "agreeing that it was poorly done"?

    I disagree that's what the Professor is stating.
    Okay. But, there was bit more than what you quoted that led me to believe the professor and I agree this was not a stellar effort in probable cause affidavits.

    I'll let TheProfessor speak for himself.

    If anything, that would imply prosecutors to be much more knowledgeable than your average law enforcement officer. That would make sense seeing they had to study law. It does not, however, means that your average cop is well versed in the legalese.
    In Texas, chief prosecutors -- at the District Court level -- are elected officials. They hire assistants to actually do the prosecuting. I've met some District Attorneys that are dumb as bricks about law enforcement but, could shake a hand and kiss a baby like nobody's business.

    I don't know how they get in their positions in Florida. And, I don't know the background of either the local Sanford prosecutor (whether he was the equivalent of the District Attorney or an ADA) or the Special Prosecutor.

    If I had a prosecutor friend, I would be more than comfortable to ask him for legal advice.
    But, he wouldn't defend you in court...which was your point. And, if you're charged with a crime in his jurisdiction, it'd be a conflict for him to provide you with such advice -- and you'd be a real jerk to ask for it.

    Your average cop, and that includes you, never had a legal degree to begin with.
    I'm not suggesting the officers need to try the facts as prosecutors but that they have an obligation to do due diligence in developing probable cause. You don't need a law degree to do that.

    And, quit acting like I'm the only person that is criticizing the case against George Zimmerman. There are actual lawyers and prosecutors out there doing the same.

    TheProfessor is perfectly within his wheelhouse to be making the observations he has, that disagree with me. We don't have to convince each other the other of us is wrong. He stated his case and reasons for thinking as he does (even though he kind of dodged the question of what legitimate reasons a prosecutor would have for skipping out on a Grand Jury when it was available and a prudent course of action) and I mine.

    What is your role here besides being some kind of gnat that finds it necessary to buzz around my head confirming what we already know, TheProfessor is a prosecutor and I'm not. In that regard, I believe I've shown TheProfessor adequate deference and even asked for his impressions?
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    TheProfessor is perfectly within his wheelhouse to be making the observations he has, that disagree with me. We don't have to convince each other the other of us is wrong. He stated his case and reasons for thinking as he does (even though he kind of dodged the question of what legitimate reasons a prosecutor would have for skipping out on a Grand Jury when it was available and a prudent course of action) and I mine.
    I dodged nothing. You wanted me to agree with you that the special prosecutor elected to avoid Grand Jury indictment because she feared getting no-billed. In Florida, non-capital cases apparently do not go to Grand Jury as a matter of course. Any point you're trying to make off of that is moot.

    Also, I don't think the affidavit was "poorly done."
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    I can only imagine the number of Yoni's affidavits that were rejected by prosecutors because they were poorly done.
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    Yoni, you really should stop. You already looked bad. Now its being certified. I am going to go out on a limb and say he doesn't appreciate your characterizations.

    If you are going to speak for him don't only do it such that hes agreeing with you.
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    Blake just nibbling at the ankles of his betters per the usual.
    That's all these small people can reach for.
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    That's all these small people can reach for.
    Hardly. Reposting your black surgeon and flaglot quotes easily makes your butt hurt.
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    Hardly. Reposting your black surgeon and flaglot quotes easily makes your butt hurt.
    No, I'm over how stupid it makes the people of this forum look. The few of you who don't understand context isn't enough to bring our overall average intelligence down enough to matter.
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    I dodged nothing. You wanted me to agree with you that the special prosecutor elected to avoid Grand Jury indictment because she feared getting no-billed. In Florida, non-capital cases apparently do not go to Grand Jury as a matter of course. Any point you're trying to make off of that is moot.
    Actually, I didn't necessarily want you to agree. I was wondering what -- other than wanting to avoid a No Bill, because you wanted complete credit (hence, my indelicate "media " comment), or as you rightly observed because you don't have to take anything less than a capital crime to a Grand Jury -- could be reasons for bypassing the opportunity to have your case validated by a Grand Jury?

    From the Florida Bar's website...

    In Florida, a grand jury indictment is required only to try a person for a capital offense; i.e., one where the death penalty may be given.3 Otherwise, the state attorney has concurrent authority to file a formal accusation of the commission of a crime (an "information").4 The information is used routinely to charge individuals in Florida. In addition to capital cases, grand juries often are utilized for controversial cases such as those involving alleged wrongdoing by public officials.
    I certainly think the Martin shooting would be characterized as a "controversial case." I realize that doesn't obligate the prosecutor to use the Grand Jury but, it was what informed my opinion that she should have. I think declining to take the case to a Grand Jury gives the appearance her case is weak. I also think the PC affidavit only tends to confirm that assessment.

    Also, I don't think the affidavit was "poorly done."
    Very good, I'll not make the claim again.
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    No, I'm over how stupid it makes the people of this forum look. The few of you who don't understand context isn't enough to bring our overall average intelligence down enough to matter.
    lol context

    You're a racist. EVERYBODY in this forum that's read that thread knows it.
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    lol context

    You're a racist. EVERYBODY in this forum that's read that thread knows it.
    People who know me would disagree and say how stupid you are. Especially my girlfriend.

    Why is it you and others can't stay on topic, and have to make this personal?
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    People who know me would disagree and say how stupid you are. Especially my girlfriend.

    Why is it you and others can't stay on topic, and have to make this personal?
    the responses you get are based on your character.
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    People who know me would disagree and say how stupid you are. Especially my girlfriend.
    Either your girlfriend hasn't read your quote on black surgeons or she is just as stupid as you.

    Why is it you and others can't stay on topic, and have to make this personal?
    "others" including you? I was responding to your lame junk talk aimed my way.

    you are seriously re ed. Seriously.
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    the responses you get are based on your character.
    Either your girlfriend hasn't read your quote on black surgeons or she is just as stupid as you.



    "others" including you? I was responding to your lame junk talk aimed my way.

    you are seriously re ed. Seriously.
    There's no way to convince the two of you how stupid you are about this, so I'm not going to try. Can we get back to this thread, or are you two that obsessed with me that all threads I participate in have to become about me?
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    There's no way to convince the two of you how stupid you are about this, so I'm not going to try. Can we get back to this thread, or are you two that obsessed with me that all threads I participate in have to become about me?
    When I started doing a case study with examples of how he was stupid, thats what got him to put me on ignore. Be careful he might put you on ignore too.
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    There's no way to convince the two of you how stupid you are about this, so I'm not going to try. Can we get back to this thread, or are you two that obsessed with me that all threads I participate in have to become about me?
    it's impossible to separate your post from your character.
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    When I started doing a case study with examples of how he was stupid, thats what got him to put me on ignore. Be careful he might put you on ignore too.
    just another example of ignore list means i surrender.
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    Okay. But, there was bit more than what you quoted that led me to believe the professor and I agree this was not a stellar effort in probable cause affidavits.
    He didn't agree with you. Deal with it.

    In Texas, chief prosecutors -- at the District Court level -- are elected officials. They hire assistants to actually do the prosecuting. I've met some District Attorneys that are dumb as bricks about law enforcement but, could shake a hand and kiss a baby like nobody's business.

    I don't know how they get in their positions in Florida. And, I don't know the background of either the local Sanford prosecutor (whether he was the equivalent of the District Attorney or an ADA) or the Special Prosecutor.
    Cool narrative. Still misses the point entirely.

    But, he wouldn't defend you in court...which was your point. And, if you're charged with a crime in his jurisdiction, it'd be a conflict for him to provide you with such advice -- and you'd be a real jerk to ask for it.
    That wasn't my point at all. My point, well established in my previous post, is that I'll ask for legal advice to people with a law degree, not your average cop (like you).

    I'm not suggesting
    Followed by more meaningless banter...
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    Nothing hurts a troll more than ignoring it.
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    ^can anyone see this post?
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    There's no way to convince the two of you how stupid you are about this, so I'm not going to try. Can we get back to this thread, or are you two that obsessed with me that all threads I participate in have to become about me?
    You do realize that you just posed an off topic question about you?

    Probably not.

    i have an ignore button and I'm not afraid to use it!
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    get off my feathers you fuggin parrot!
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    damn you edit pussy!!!!1
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