Trade Rumours about Poeltl

[DPG21920]

Your scenario is that he turns down $27.7 million so that he can make $17 mil. You sure about that?

He’s not making 17M. He’s making 17 x 4 so his guaranteed money is far greater than the 27M he has now.

[JeffDuncan]

It’s not just about the annual number, it’s about guaranteed money.

DDR is guaranteed $27.7 million simply by signing that player option.

I can see SA themselves paying him 3/75M. ...

Not next year they won't. He won't sign for $25 per when he can get $27.7 next season, because he would instantly lose $2.7 million.

Or do you plan to get fancy in structuring that?

But it’s hard to project exactly who will have cap space right now ...

The necessary details are all a matter of public record in connection with ensuring that the CBA is enforced.

It would take some work, which I do not blame you for not wanting to do.

... But Miami and Detroit are two East teams that have a path to max contracts and would be suitors (already linked to DeRozan via trade) that make a lot of sense.

You think Miami or Detroit or whoever will trust the Spurs to create a contract with DDR that they will then have to accept? Why would they trust the Spurs that much? Would you trust the current Spurs organization that much?

I also can't help being a little curious why you think DDR is worth a max contract. What's your reasoning there?

[JeffDuncan]

He’s not making 17M. He’s making 17 x 4 so his guaranteed money is far greater than the 27M he has now.

You really do think he'd turn down $27.7 to make 17. You have an active imagination.

All you've done with that is to tell him that in two years you think he'll be worth 17 per. His agent will file that info. He'll sign the player option for 27.7, then the next summer he'll come back to you, and say, ok, now that that's done we can talk about the 17 per.

You didn't realize that.

[TimDunkem]

Well, , if we're certain that he is picking up his option then that makes him very tradeable. The issue with most teams who would take him is that they're not sure that he will.

[monty4329]

Your scenario is that he turns down $27.7 million so that he can make $17 mil. You sure about that?

For 4 yrs, mind. At his age I think he would consider it. In summer 21, with several high caliber FAs on the market, how much could he realistically ask for? More than 17/3? Maybe but it is not a small gamble. Players his age always look for extensions, longer contracts.

You maybe right and he just opts in hoping to have a great season nd score a 22/3 the following summer. If he gets injured though, look at IT.

[MultiTroll]

Well, , if we're certain that he is picking up his option then that makes him very tradeable. The issue with most teams who would take him is that they're not sure that he will.

Want to win right now and need scorer is gonna be the only takers imo.
Like Houston but no room with Beard and Westchuck.
Heat? Riley not gonna get snookered by Light Years Behind Pop.

Probably a moot point. Popped is sticking with his pet team as is. Except Carrol must have made some *outspoken Black man* comment to Lord Poppy . Even then, rather then trade him will continue to *punish* by sitting on the bench in street clothes.

[JeffDuncan]

Well, , if we're certain that he is picking up his option ...

Nobody will be certain of that until DDR either signs the paperwork, or doesn't sign it.

[DPG21920]

DDR is guaranteed $27.7 million simply by signing that player option.




Not next year they won't. He won't sign for $25 per when he can get $27.7 next season, because he would instantly lose $2.7 million.

Or do you plan to get fancy in structuring that?





The necessary details are all a matter of public record in connection with ensuring that the CBA is enforced.

It would take some work, which I do not blame you for not wanting to do.




You think Miami or Detroit or whoever will trust the Spurs to create a contract with DDR that they will then have to accept? Why would they trust the Spurs that much? Would you trust the current Spurs organization that much?

I also can't help being a little curious why you think DDR is worth a max contract. What's your reasoning there?

I have no patience for this and that is saying something

[DPG21920]

You really do think he'd turn down $27.7 to make 17. You have an active imagination.

All you've done with that is to tell him that in two years you think he'll be worth 17 per. His agent will file that info. He'll sign the player option for 27.7, then the next summer he'll come back to you, and say, ok, now that that's done we can talk about the 17 per.

You didn't realize that.

Yeah. That’s it. I didn’t realize that. Thank you for truly educating me. I feel like my eyes are open for the first time and I am seeing the nba in a fresh new light.

I am not saying I think he would take 17M; I was discussing the logic (regardless of the number) as to why DeRozan would opt out.

[TimDunkem]

Nobody will be certain of that until DDR either signs the paperwork, or doesn't sign it.

I think he takes his chances in FA this year if the Spurs don't extend or sign and trade. He's set to be the biggest player in the market (AD is staying in LA).

[JeffDuncan]

For 4 yrs, mind. At his age I think he would consider it. In summer 21, wi

th several high caliber FAs on the market,

how much could he realistically ask for? More than 17/3? Cap is already shrinking slightly.

DDR will not turn down 27.7 to make 17. Get over that childish foolishness.

He'll just come back to you the next year, after he gets the 27.7, and tell you, now we can talk about that 17 as a starting point.

[TimDunkem]

He might take a cut to resign on a longer deal but, yeah, it wont be for 17 per.

[SpurSpike]

I guess we don't have to worry about a Peoltl trade to Atlanta anymore so that's good.

[monty4329]

DDR will not turn down 27.7 to make 17. Get over that childish foolishness.

He'll just come back to you the next year, after he gets the 27.7, and tell you, now we can talk about that 17 as a starting point.

As I said, you might be right. Let's then childishly check his next contract in 2 yrs from now.

[slick'81]

As I said, you might be right. Let's then childishly check his next contract in 2 yrs from now.

Hes not taking 17 bro

[TD 21]

Ugh. You don't trade away players because they're bad. You trade for players/assets you need. The Spurs trading Poeltl or any other player folks like isn't them punishing him or saying they prefer to keep Forbes or whatever. It's them saying that they really needed that return and the player was the best way to get it. It's possible that Jakob is the only player teams are willing to offer an okay first for. If the Spurs are rebuilding, then it doesn't matter that Poeltl is a serviceable young big. If they are still trying to make a run, it's only going to happen because LMA plays out of his mind. In either event, you can justify using him as part of the package. That doesn't mean that there aren't trades that wouldn't make sense or that PATFO wouldn't make a bad trade. But everyone on the roster is available for the right deal, not just ing Beli and Forbes and Carroll.

That said, I'm not a fan of trading for Russell, and he's the only possible target I've heard. I just don't think he's good enough. But I could see GS loving Poeltl enough to want him to be part of a Russell package, and that might give SA leverage to grab something of decent value from the team that actually acquires DAR like Covington, Culver, Winslow or Herro. If it's one the young wings, I could totally understand it, because the none of the young players is performing well enough to preclude the team acquiring someone at their position. I could see something like Poeltl and a top-10 protected first for Culver being a legit move to get top talent, and if it causes the team to fall apart and get their own top-10 pick, then the club could add much higher upside guys than just a solidly above-average but low-minute center.

That's the thing though, no one is offering an okay 1st for Poeltl or a wing prospect, in his rookie season, that was recently picked high in the lottery (I was never high on Culver, but still).

Despite the gap in pedigree and perception, I actually think Capela and Poeltl are similar caliber, but those two things often play a role, yet despite the hype the former has garnered in recent season, all he went for is the Nets 1st, which is effectively a midround pick.

This is likely nothing more than the league seeing the Spurs as an easy mark and seeing if they can steal one of the few valuable players they have for pennies.

[MultiTroll]

Despite the gap in pedigree and perception, I actually think Capela and Poeltl are similar caliber,

Hard to say given the misfit team(s) they have both had to play for. Capella seems more upside to me. Looking fwd to see what he can do with ATL.

[sasaint]

That's the thing though, no one is offering an okay 1st for Poeltl or a wing prospect, in his rookie season, that was recently picked high in the lottery (I was never high on Culver, but still).

Despite the gap in pedigree and perception, I actually think Capela and Poeltl are similar caliber, but those two things often play a role, yet despite the hype the former has garnered in recent season, all he went for is the Nets 1st, which is effectively a midround pick.

This is likely nothing more than the league seeing the Spurs as an easy mark and seeing if they can steal one of the few valuable players they have for pennies.

I root for Texas Tech, and I would love to see their guys succeed in the NBA. Truth be told, however, Culver has a game about like Dumbmar's. Perhaps he could become a 3-point threat with Chip's help (and he isn't totally unwilling like Dumbmar), but I am not very high on the guy, either. He is another combo guard, which we don't need.

[Chinook]

I root for Texas Tech, and I would love to see their guys succeed in the NBA. Truth be told, however, Culver has a game about like Dumbmar's. Perhaps he could become a 3-point threat with Chip's help (and he isn't totally unwilling like Dumbmar), but I am not very high on the guy, either. He is another combo guard, which we don't need.

The team needs combo-guards until they actually have good ones. Like it's fine to not like Culver specifically, but if the team is rebuilding, the last thing on their minds should be their positional roster needs when it comes to prospects.

[Down Under]

Yeah. That’s it. I didn’t realize that. Thank you for truly educating me. I feel like my eyes are open for the first time and I am seeing the nba in a fresh new light.

I am not saying I think he would take 17M; I was discussing the logic (regardless of the number) as to why DeRozan would opt out.

You wonder why this board has turned into 5 people with 5 burners each, shouting into an echo chamber with each other :facepalm

[Down Under]

Poeltl is getting paid. He plays by far the most important defensive position & is a Centre who can ANCHOR a defense, of which there aren't a lot in the NBA.

[sasaint]

The team needs combo-guards until they actually have good ones. Like it's fine to not like Culver specifically, but if the team is rebuilding, the last thing on their minds should be their positional roster needs when it comes to prospects.

I disagree. If you are tanking, then, sure just ac ulate assets. But if you are rebuilding, then position definitely counts.

[Chinook]

I disagree. If you are tanking, then, sure just ac ulate assets. But if you are rebuilding, then position definitely counts.

No, it doesn't. You don't pass up on elite talent because you already have mediocre prospects playing the same position. Like I get not thinking Culver is an elite talent. That's fine. I don't know enough about him to really have my own opinion. But if, for example, the Spurs get the second-overall pick in the draft and Wiseman goes first, the team should take one of the PGs at the top of the draft and tell Murray et al to go themselves if they don't like it.

[sasaint]

No, it doesn't. You don't pass up on elite talent because you already have mediocre prospects playing the same position. Like I get not thinking Culver is an elite talent. That's fine. I don't know enough about him to really have my own opinion. But if, for example, the Spurs get the second-overall pick in the draft and Wiseman goes first, the team should take one of the PGs at the top of the draft and tell Murray et al to go themselves if they don't like it.

Friend, I thought the conversation was about Culver, specifically. , I'd be happy to take George Hill back if there was some way to get him.

[Chinook]

Friend, I thought the conversation was about Culver, specifically. , I'd be happy to take George Hill back if there was some way to get him.

We were talking about whether one should care about positional distribution when rebuilding. I gave a different example since I didn't want to obscure the main point with him. I think if the Spurs like Culver and think he's a legit talent, then they should acquire him if they can do so by giving up lesser assets. Of course, this whole Culver thing is just made up by me. There's no news about him. Anyways, if they don't think he's an elite talent, there's no reason to trade for him at all. But if they do, then it doesn't matter that he plays the same position as White and Murray, because those guys definitely aren't elite talents.