Pistons were the y versions of ourselves. Their style of play was similar to us, but their at udes were way different. Spurs just have always played. Pistons talked the talked and couldn't back it up 2 out of 3 times. Spurs pissed all over their Championship Belts while the Heat lit it on fire.
...It started last year when they kept saying that "We play the right way" actually boastful about their methods - Brown being an arrogant SOB ( I think the 04' Lakers gave them their disease that night in game 5). When Spurs have been doing it "the right way" since 99' but Tim was too mature to actually keep yammering off with his "guaransheeds" or talking bout "balls to the wall" crap. He just plays. Prince, Ben got it right. Chauncey, Rip and Sheed got big headed.
sooo...No. Pistons went out like a sucker. Spurs went out like Champs in defeat.
you are living in a very insular spurs world if you think anyone except you is taking exception with dirk not being whistled for a bordeline/tickytack call in the final minute of game 7 and would have preferred that the ref's bail them out rather than getting one last stop to seal the game.
this is not worth debating you on...
Guess you ddn't watch it. Dirk got it, I can live with that but there was nothing borderline about the hook. It was a classic textbook hook. Arm was fully extended, wrapped around Bowen' waist, locked Bowen in place and let Dirk get around him to the basket. That is how he got by. It didn't get called, fine. I can live with that. But don't give me borderline/tickytak BS.
in all the wrapup and analysis i watched after game 7 triumph (which was a lot as of course this was perhaps the biggest win in the history of our fledgling franchise) i never heard any person (much less any national analyst or person of credibility) suggest that they would have liked to have had a whistle on that play or even mention the prospect of this call.
i wish you guys better luck next year...lets move along here.
Watch a replay then tell me.
pistons downfall has got to do with there egos, and the moron coach saunders.
No one except about half this damn forum, mister self-gratification.
Not when they were killing teams left and right..................
I just don't know how Simmons can applaud a "herky-jerk backdown move" which is the single development over the summer that has led to the "can't touch Dirk" officiating of the playoffs, since he uses the "herky-jerk" almost all the time (even if no one is around him)... probably even uses it in the bedroom as well, trying to draw a foul on the chick (or dude) he's with... but then he turns right around to call the Suns cheaters and floppers? Like I said, I'll admit that Raja Bell will exaggerate contact a lot of the times, but if it works, then I can appreciate his craftiness, even if I don't agree with the direction the league is going with so many offensive fouls and flopping... but for years the Suns have fallen victim to it from other teams (Ginobili killed us in the WCF last year with momentum changing offensive draws) that I at least applaud someone out there who is willing to fall to the floor and return the favor - and Mavs fans, I'll give you three examples of your team flopping: Dirk (pretty much all the time), Stackhouse (pretty often, but usually not called because everyone in the NBA hates him - he does it on offense and defense), and Devin Harris (Game 5 when that offensive foul was called on Nash, you can he him literally throw his body backwards)
ronmexico...
yeah good point.
like you, i also have no idea why simmons would applaud dirk for taking an allnba first team defender to the hole for an and 1 with his team down three in the waning seconds of a game 7 on the road against the defending champions.
great points!
Simmons had his head up his ass analyzing that play. Live with it. Dirk took it on a hook. Dirk figures he'll get away with it and he's right. Priviledges of the elite. Had Bowen hooked Dirk the same way you can bet he would have gotten nailed by the ref.
"Live with it" picnroll
hehe...okay...i can live my dallas mavs advancing and i can live with the fact that the game was called the way it was.
im afraid your the one who is having trouble living with reality.
also...i can also live with the fact that I stand in the mainstream of the basketball world saying it has never occured to me that dirk commited a foul on that play and that history will not remember your pointless sticking points.
this is the equivalent of me talking about beating you guys in the 03 wcf's making the excuse that dirk got hurt.
in conclusion.....whaaaa
haha someone is named pussyface
Not really bent out of shape about the play. When I saw the play and confirmed it on replay I said typical. About half the time players, particularly elite players, will get away with a hook although that was a pretty blatant one, not your usual half hook. What I object to is Simmons' stupid analysis of how Dirk beat Bowen getting to the basket.
That said there were some other plays I thought were screw jobs like Dirk charging into Duncan in the paint and Ducan getting called for the block, or Terrry leaning right into Manu to draw Manu's sixth foul, or Bavetta calling a delay of game and admitting later he wouldn't have if he knew it was the Spurs' second. Those are out of the ordinary game changing ups. Dirk on Bowen was just an ordinary game changing up.
in picnrolls version of history, simmons wrote "and yeah, Dirk got away with an obvious foul but he made the most of a blown call."
you have convinced me...
...from this point on, in my mind the san antonio spurs will still be eligable to win this years le.
Spurs fans need to stop ing about non-calls against the Mavs. While I do agree with them, it makes us sound petty. Besides, there's nothing we can do about now anyways. Move on, and concentrate your energy on mentally picturing the Spurs kicking Mavs ass next season.
Well, sarcasm aside, it has nothing to do with the play, which I thought was very impressive (I talked to my friend from SA who is in Spain right now and I said to him that I was really shocked that Dirk actually muscled that shot in there and had the chance for a 3-point play... also, it was a slightly boneheaded play by Ginobili who was probably just trying to cement himself as the savior of the game after that offensive showcase on the other end, but just got a little greedy).
My point revolves around how often Simmons has been contradicting himself recently. When Ginobili does a "herky-jerk move" he calls it "flopping," but when Dirk does it, it's "legendary." Likewise, when he thinks Sam Cassell should be the next player-coach in the NBA because he "craftily works the refs the whole game" but then says that last year's Coach of the Year (Mike D'Antoni) yells at the officials too much, then he's just being a Clippers homer. My point is that Avery jaws at the refs just as much as anyone else, but because D'Antoni looks like Ron Burgandy, then he must go above and beyond anyone else in the league. He calls the Suns floppers and cheaters, but really has nothing to back this up (beyond Raja Bell, which I've admitted does it, but I'm finally glad someone on the Suns does it after falling victim to it for years in the playoffs) and says that all they use are moving screens; I guess he's never watched the Clippers, Spurs, or Mavs play because EVERYONE uses a moving screen unless they get called for it!!
Additionally, in other columns Simmons states how he wants a return to the Celtics-Lakers basketball of old, with excitement and hard work shown at both ends of the floor, but then he goes on to claim that the Suns shouldn't ever win anything because they don't play defense. ESPN and ESPN Classic have been showing a lot of the NBA Finals recently and I refuse to believe that when the Lakers give up 148 points in Game 1 against the Celtics, that they were playing masterful defense. He has his head so far up Boston's ass that he fails to realize that both those teams (LA and Boston) were predicated on scrappy play, getting defensive rebounds to run fast breaks and rarely running an offensive set unless it went down to Kareem on one end or McHale on the other. So many people have called this year's Suns a resliant and scrappy team and I fail to see how they are any different than the old Celtics of the 80s who always had guys like Bird, Walton, Cedric Maxwell, and Danny Ainge (one of the biggest floppers of all time) diving for loose balls, drawing charges, hitting big shots and playing overall team basketball. If anything, he should take an LA perspective and analyze his own Boston teams of old and see whether people thought KC Jones yelled at the refs too much or Larry Bird and Danny Ainge were "floppers" and "cheaters."
I'm pretty sure that herky jerky move Simmons' describes that Dirk learned over the summer was by watching kids on roller skates trying to do the chicken dance. You have Dirk stumbling into the lane arms flapping, feet tripping and some poor defender back pedaling sideways as fast as he can trying to get out of Dirk's way, fear all over his his face, knowing he's about to be struck by one of Dirk's flailing appendages for a foul and Dirk at the line for two.
in the end, this is a clear case where the suns and spurs people have it right: their teams are both better than team that already has/is about to eliminate them.
Dallas just got lucky.
Last edited by pussyface; 06-03-2006 at 06:50 PM.
Comeon pussyface. tell me this doesn't look like Dirk driving from the top of the key, headed toward the basket, about to get his shot off, except maybe the redhair.
...good one...
I wasn't even ripping on the Mavs - I was just ripping on Simmons...
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