Popovich rips Trump over coronavirus response

[baseline bum]

Believe it or not but I've come across some patients who also happen to be staunch Trump supporters who told me that "they didn't think it was this bad because it's not what we saw on the news." I'm guessing they were getting most of their info from Fox or some such right wing propaganda news media.

Of course I believe it. It wasn't even as bad as the flu on ClearChannel.

[Mugen]

Donnie unfurling the Mission Accomplished banner over 50k American graves...single tear down the cheeks of Trump ' s across the nation....what a time to be alive tbh

[ChumpDumper]

Yep, that's a dodge.

So you won't define a level of success that Trump could achieve in fighting this thing that you'd say he did a good job. You're just looking to attack him in a crisis (for the whole nation, not just him), in the hopes of bringing him down. Damage to the nation be damned... Induced panic that inconveniences or even kills fellow americans; well that's the cost of doing business...

I'll say he's already failed you and killed fellow Americans and you're making excuses for him. His chance to not fail was gone months ago and there's nothing you can do about it. We are living and dying in his failure right now. The body count is his.

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I'll say he's already failed you and killed fellow Americans and you're making excuses for him. His chance to not fail was gone months ago and there's nothing you can do about it. We are living and dying in his failure right now. The body count is his.

So, any deaths in a global pandemic situation, is inherently a failure... I guess it's a standard, but, you expect any president, no matter whom, to live up to it?

[BackHome]

What I am kinda surprised was in how ill prepared New York City was to the crisis I would have thought that after 911 that they would be better prepared. They new that sooner or latter they would be targeted with either a dirty bomb or a biological terrorist attack. Though a city as large as New York no matter what you do you will have high amount of loss just due to the amount of people living so close to each other. Also that fact that I think that the virus was out probably in November just speculation but I think the CCP really did a number on the world.

[ChumpDumper]

So, any deaths in a global pandemic situation, is inherently a failure... I guess it's a standard, but, you expect any president, no matter whom, to live up to it?

No, Trump's refusal to prepare for this months ago is the failure. The thousands of needless deaths are the result.

The test was two months ago. Do you understand that?

[BacktoBasics]

As bad as Trump is I see very little difference in outcome had anyone else been in office. Hindsight is always 20/20 so it’s easy to assume such a self indulgent asshole should have acted sooner but I think we’d see roughly the same results leading into late March.

I do however think any pick of the litter... left or right would have handled things much better on a state level going into late March and into April. Playing favorites and attaching aid to some imaginary level of appreciation is inexcusable.

A better scenario would be an end to the two party system and a complete wipeout of most of the major players on both sides.

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Easy for someone to throw out dead counts to justify the actions/inactions of the orange goblin when it doesn't personally affect you. How about we ask it this way...how many of your loved ones are you willing to lose (your children, wife, girlfriend, grandparents, parents etc) to CV19 for you to call Trump's response to the pandemic successful?

All of them if he's a typical Trump .

People of Spurstalk, name calling and attacks on other peoples morals, as opposed to actually answering the question. Good faith and honesty on display...

However, in the interest of going the extra mile, I wouldn't be happy about losing any of my loved ones. But just about anyone who dies is going to be someone's loved one... At a national level, is my grief much more (or less) important than that of someone else? Can I honestly say that such, as yet hypothetical deaths, are Trump's fault, could realistically have been prevented by some other president? That's a pretty long reach...

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Successful would be South Korea with 225 deaths and the economy still open despite them having their patient 0 at the same time we did.

Hey, an actual reply.

So the only level of success that a president could achieve, that you would call successful, is to match what is to date, the best response in the world... It's a standard to hold, but hard to believe it's realistic... or a standard you would apply to a democrat president.

[dbestpro]

Did the leadership of South Korea make the difference in a low death rate or was it the fact that the entire population went right into lock down without any whining or complaining? If anyone is responsible for the American deaths it is those who would not listen even to the medical leadership and decided to go play as usual. Besides, when our lifetimes did an entire US population do as they were told by leadership.

So, in the end the American people are responsible for the American lives lost and the American lives saved.

[baseline bum]

Hey, an actual reply.

So the only level of success that a president could achieve, that you would call successful, is to match what is to date, the best response in the world... It's a standard to hold, but hard to believe it's realistic... or a standard you would apply to a democrat president.

It's not hard to believe it's realistic when we're the richest country on Earth and could have done the exact same thing if we had a president who took the pandemic seriously instead of spending two months pretending it was nothing. Instead we have 26,000 dead with many more to come and a new great depression thanks to the piece of you keep defending here.

[baseline bum]

Did the leadership of South Korea make the difference in a low death rate or was it the fact that the entire population went right into lock down without any whining or complaining? If anyone is responsible for the American deaths it is those who would not listen even to the medical leadership and decided to go play as usual. Besides, when our lifetimes did an entire US population do as they were told by leadership.

So, in the end the American people are responsible for the American lives lost and the American lives saved.

South Korea didn't lock down. They ramped up testing early and did very aggressive contact tracing and that's why they're in great shape. Trump still doesn't want to ramp up testing and contact tracing so that would could actually open up safely again after this lockdown even seeing what it has done for South Korea.

And by your definition Trump is responsible for the American deaths because he would not listen to medical leadership and decided to go play as usual.

[Spurtacular]

Is he successfully fighting off the pandemic in your opinion?

I honestly don't know what number of dead Americans equals success here. Help me out.

What number of freedoms revoked equals success?

[Spurtacular]

Did the leadership of South Korea make the difference in a low death rate or was it the fact that the entire population went right into lock down without any whining or complaining? If anyone is responsible for the American deaths it is those who would not listen even to the medical leadership and decided to go play as usual. Besides, when our lifetimes did an entire US population do as they were told by leadership.

So, in the end the American people are responsible for the American lives lost and the American lives saved.

Sweden didn't lock down and they are doing pretty good.

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No, Trump's refusal to prepare for this months ago is the failure. The thousands of needless deaths are the result.

The test was two months ago. Do you understand that?

Two months ago, 15 February... By that time,
he'd formed a corona virus task force (29 jan).
Declared a public health emergency and put in place large travel restrictions to and from China (31 Jan).
Repeatedly tried to push CDC research teams to China, but was refused by the CCP.
The CDC developed and was shipping test kits to US and International labs by Feb 6 (yes, it was ed up, but that's a lab error, not the administration not preparing...).
Met with and briefed State Governors across the nation (Feb 9).
"expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine." (Feb 11).
The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus (Feb 14).

Really, there was no preparation at all... So which hypothetical administration would have done so much more?

[baseline bum]

Donnie unfurling the Mission Accomplished banner over 50k American graves...single tear down the cheeks of Trump ' s across the nation....what a time to be alive tbh

[baseline bum]

As bad as Trump is I see very little difference in outcome had anyone else been in office. Hindsight is always 20/20 so it’s easy to assume such a self indulgent asshole should have acted sooner but I think we’d see roughly the same results leading into late March.

I do however think any pick of the litter... left or right would have handled things much better on a state level going into late March and into April. Playing favorites and attaching aid to some imaginary level of appreciation is inexcusable.

A better scenario would be an end to the two party system and a complete wipeout of most of the major players on both sides.

You think Obama would have called it a Republican hoax and refused to produce WHO tests in mass quan ies? I hate this bothsides bull any time the Republicans something up.

[ChumpDumper]

Two months ago, 15 February... By that time,
he'd formed a corona virus task force (29 jan).
Declared a public health emergency and put in place large travel restrictions to and from China (31 Jan).
Repeatedly tried to push CDC research teams to China, but was refused by the CCP.
The CDC developed and was shipping test kits to US and International labs by Feb 6 (yes, it was ed up, but that's a lab error, not the administration not preparing...).
Met with and briefed State Governors across the nation (Feb 9).
"expanded a partnership with Janssen Research & Development to “expedite the development” of a coronavirus vaccine." (Feb 11).
The CDC began working with five labs to conduct “community-based influenza surveillance” to study and detect the spread of coronavirus (Feb 14).

Really, there was no preparation at all... So which hypothetical administration would have done so much more?

Any one that would've paid attention to this:











https://www.axios.com/exclusive-nava...48f8382a9.html

Give me the list of things in the memo Trump did.

Thanks in advance.

[BacktoBasics]

You think Obama would have called it a Republican hoax and refused to produce WHO tests in mass quan ies? I hate this bothsides bull any time the Republicans something up.

I’m actually not playing the “yeah but” game. I’m speaking more to the outcome in deaths as of mid April.
Maybe another person in office could have saved a thousand lives. Maybe not. I think generally speaking we’d still be in a similar situation.

Don’t mistake my comments as some thinly veiled measure of support. The guys a disgrace, absolute embarrassment and so are a great deal of his supporters.

Do I think other politicians would act more dignified and show a greater deal of respect and empathy. Of course.

But we’d still be looking at 20k + deaths with Pelosi or Biden.

The real difference will be a year from now. I think his inability to work with anyone not sucking his will cause irreparable damage down the road.

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It's realistic when we're the richest country on Earth and could have done the exact same thing .

Actually, it's pretty unlikely. We don't have the same legal system, nor the same level of let's call it "social control" as they do:

"South Korea has used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases."

Legally getting access to that data in the US would be extremely difficult, especially tied to individual medical records. Not to mention that kind of thing is theoretically a state level responsibility - you would have to get them onside. Not to mention our government integrated surveillance camera density (and data integration) is simply miniscule compared to theirs.

"In 2014, South Korean cities had over 8 million CCTV cameras, or one camera per 6.3 people. In 2010, everyone was captured an average of 83.1 times per day and every nine seconds while travelling. These figures are likely to be much higher today. Considering the physical size of the country, it is safe to say South Korea has one of the highest densities of surveillance technology in the world."

Whereas in the US, the vast majority of CCTV cameras are in private and commercial use, not databased for national use. It would be very hard to implement the South Korean model

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sweden didn't lock down and they are doing pretty good.

Are you out of your mind? Sweden have a lot of deaths compared to other countries with similar population. In fact they’re the 6th worst for deaths per a million people. As a result they’ve recently changed their tune completely - check what their prime minister said just a couple of days ago. They’re a total failure.

[ChumpDumper]

Sweden didn't lock down and they are doing pretty good.

Their death rate is four times that of Norway and eight times that of Finland.

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I’m actually not playing the “yeah but” game. I’m speaking more to the outcome in deaths as of mid April.
Maybe another person in office could have saved a thousand lives. Maybe not. I think generally speaking we’d still be in a similar situation.

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But we’d still be looking at 20k + deaths with Pelosi or Biden.

I disagree with you here. The best play Trump has made so far was his Jan 31 travel ban. I really doubt, judging by the 2 months they spent screaming racist about it, that either of them would have implemented it. It's my estimate, that the reason we are 2 weeks to a month delayed from Italy/Spain/France is that travel ban. If it had gotten here a month earlier... We'd still be in the middle of the CDC testing fiasco, having not gotten to private sector testing. We'd have a lot less preparation achieved... If we hit france, 263 dead/miillion people according to worldometers, we'd be at ~85000 dead, and a hospital system that is not currently overloaded anywhere (even NYC, it's close, but they still have limited beds and ventilators available) would likely be broken in a lot of places.

[baseline bum]

Actually, it's pretty unlikely. We don't have the same legal system, nor the same level of let's call it "social control" as they do:

"South Korea has used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases."

Legally getting access to that data in the US would be extremely difficult, especially tied to individual medical records. Not to mention that kind of thing is theoretically a state level responsibility - you would have to get them onside. Not to mention our government integrated surveillance camera density (and data integration) is simply miniscule compared to theirs.

"In 2014, South Korean cities had over 8 million CCTV cameras, or one camera per 6.3 people. In 2010, everyone was captured an average of 83.1 times per day and every nine seconds while travelling. These figures are likely to be much higher today. Considering the physical size of the country, it is safe to say South Korea has one of the highest densities of surveillance technology in the world."

Whereas in the US, the vast majority of CCTV cameras are in private and commercial use, not databased for national use. It would be very hard to implement the South Korean model

The US could have just bought the tracking data collected on peoples' phones and/or requested it from the telecoms. And the US didn't do any reasonable amount of testing for the longest time. Trump was promising mobile testing in Walmart and Walgreens parking lots a month ago and of course it was a lie, like everything else that comes out his mouth. On that dark night of 11-9-2016 all I could think was what if we have another Katrina or another 9/11 with this corrupt piece of in power. How many would die? Instead we get a 9/11 every day with the worst crisis this nation has faced since WWII.

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Give me the list of things in the memo Trump did.

Read the memo yourself "go to the Hill this week and ask for funds". Appropriating money is CONGRESS. I'm not sure what reality you're living in if your suggesting he hasn't publicly, politically pushed for more money out of congress... There have been hold-ups, but a significant portion of them belong to the Democrat party.

In the meanwhile, His administration pushed manufacturers for more PPE, and banned exports of same. His administration pushed to for more and better diagnostics, suspending numerous FDA regulations. His administration has pushed forward a multi-manufacturer chase for a vaccine. His administration has pushed the development of therapeutic treatments. All these things have been done, and are continuing to be done.