Bulls: The Last Dance do entary

[lefty]

Valid point on it being more difficult to bolt.

But Jordan was incredibly loyal to Phil. Plus, beating your rivals, not joining them, was a thing back then. Can't see him pulling a Lebron.

He wasn’t going to bolt on Phil, that team was good lol
But if he could have during his first seasons he would have; he was constantly throwing the FO under the bus

When Lebron joined Miami, Jordan said he wouldn’t have done it but then he paused and say : “but it’s a possibility these kids have today...”

Can’t blame Lebron for bolting tbh

[FrostKing]

He wasn’t going to bolt on Phil, that team was good lol
But if he could have during his first seasons he would have; he was constantly throwing the FO under the bus

When Lebron joined Miami, Jordan said he wouldn’t have done it but then he paused and say : “but it’s a possibility these kids have today...”

Can’t blame Lebron for bolting tbh

I do not judge him for leaving. His performance in Miami is just supbar.

James winning in LA (or any other city) would be impressive. Put James into the GOAT conversation for me because he would have guided three separate cities.

[Dirks_Finale]

Forget Jordan for a moment, would Larry or Magic have done it? Would Isaiah team up with those guys to try and take down Jordan? I don't see it in any scenario. That wasn't the mentality then.

He wasn’t going to bolt on Phil, that team was good lol
But if he could have during his first seasons he would have; he was constantly throwing the FO under the bus

When Lebron joined Miami, Jordan said he wouldn’t have done it but then he paused and say : “but it’s a possibility these kids have today...”

Can’t blame Lebron for bolting tbh

[Dirks_Finale]

I do not judge him for leaving. His performance in Miami is just supbar.
.

I don't either-- it's how he did it that makes him look like a total d-bag.

Durbeta pretty much topped everyone with the ultimate, feminine sports moment of the century by going to GSW. Dwarfing Lebron's decision and virtually erasing it from our memories.

[FrostKing]

As I have became more of a conservative in life and career, it drew me to MJ. He is college educated conservative black southern.

[ambchang]

we already been over this

everyone still handchecks

and what used to be illegal defenses now allows gameplans never allowed previously. Never heard TMac complain about being handchecked. But he wanted zone defense abolished because it stifled scoring.

can't just say that rule changes are the sole and only reason for better perimeter play, that's just ignorant and completely stupid.

And yet all offences went from inside to outside.

[ambchang]

Hm well if he outplayed lebron who is a top 5 player ever, while the other guys got destroyed by a top 5 player ever, sounds like Terry > starks and ehlo

thanks

Or maybe Lebron had a black mark in his career.

Just like Jordan couldn’t get through pistons until expansion broke them apart is a black mark in his career.

Difference is that you had to speak in absolutes and that somehow believe players suddenly got some type of genetic mutation that allowed them to become much better perimeter players.

[ambchang]

Sure but he was dominant without it and was gifted at attacking the rim, hitting the midrange etc. Just saying it's speculation... And if that was his only weakness even in 2019-2020 nba who cares? His PER, wins shares, offensive rating are all elite for almost any Era...

And yes there are crummy defenders in the modern NBA but the athleticism and all around skill level is higher. Doesn't mean it's better in loved the mid 80's and early 90's but most of the specialist types in the NBA that can only shoot are pretty much mocked ( o, Bryn Forbes) or regulated to Kyle Korver roles... In MJ Era those guys played significant roles and MJ abused them just like he did good defensive guys like DJ Majerle or Dumars...there is no need to be dishonest about it. Better superstar talent back then ...but three and D pace and space has regulated Shannon Brown types (no three some D) and Korver (3 and no D) to end of the bench... Korver would be a significant player at his current age in the 80s on the right team.

I don’t necessarily agree with all this. Lou Williams is a scoring speciality ang he’s getting better in the new era. Hi red has been going strong in the new era. I’d say due to the new defensive rules it’s less important to be good on d. Sure the true turnstiles can’t play in this era but they couldn’t play in any era to begin with. Andrew gaze never made it. Oscar Schmidt never made it.

The most impact is actually on big stiffs in this era as bigs have to be mobile on the perimeter, something which wasn’t necessary I years past.

[lefty]

Forget Jordan for a moment, would Larry or Magic have done it? Would Isaiah team up with those guys to try and take down Jordan? I don't see it in any scenario. That wasn't the mentality then.

No because they were already on stacked teams

As for Magic specifically, he said that if the Bulls drafted him instead of thr Lakers in 79, he would stay 1 more year in college because he wanted to play with Kareem in Los Angeles.
(As opposed to try to build something in Chicago)

Ultimately L.A drafted him

But yeah,

Magic wanted to team up

[ambchang]

I personally think it’s silly to think players didn't bolt because “this is the way”. What the is this? Mandalorian?

How convenient for Lee Alcindor waiting to join a large city that embraced the Muslim community when he chose the second most storied franchise at that point?

Magic went on record to say he didn’t want to play for the bulls.

Kobe forced the trade to LA

Shaq quit Orlando the second he hand the chance.

Steve Franck’s forced his way out of Vancouver.

Carter left Toronto, so did stoudemire and bosh

Face it, no player wants to carry a crap team to the promised land the most difficult way possible, and most players want to go to a big market.

[Killakobe81]

I don’t necessarily agree with all this. Lou Williams is a scoring speciality ang he’s getting better in the new era. Hi red has been going strong in the new era. I’d say due to the new defensive rules it’s less important to be good on d. Sure the true turnstiles can’t play in this era but they couldn’t play in any era to begin with. Andrew gaze never made it. Oscar Schmidt never made it.

The most impact is actually on big stiffs in this era as bigs have to be mobile on the perimeter, something which wasn’t necessary I years past.

Thats disrespectful to Sweet Lou who can't play defense, but is an all around fine scorer not just a spot up shooter...plus he is a decent play maker when not hunting shots he is way more valuable overall than Red korver or the Wedman types of yesteryear

[FrostKing]

Rodman > Lebron

At this rate

[140]

GOAT doc tbh

[lefty]

cool but it further proves how ty the 80s-90s were tbh

[FrostKing]

I had a feeling episodes 3 & 4 would eclipse #1/2 and they did

DA BULLS!

[ace3g]

[HarlemHeat37]

As much as I dislike Jordan, it's a great doc. These first 4 are the worst episodes, too, it only gets better later IMO.

They get into Jordan's actions killing his father and his goal to primarily appeal to Caucasians in the next 2 episodes.

[Dirks_Finale]

I personally think it’s silly to think players didn't bolt because “this is the way”. What the is this? Mandalorian?

How convenient for Lee Alcindor waiting to join a large city that embraced the Muslim community when he chose the second most storied franchise at that point?

Magic went on record to say he didn’t want to play for the bulls.

Kobe forced the trade to LA

Shaq quit Orlando the second he hand the chance.

Steve Franck’s forced his way out of Vancouver.

Carter left Toronto, so did stoudemire and bosh

Face it, no player wants to carry a crap team to the promised land the most difficult way possible, and most players want to go to a big market.

With the exception of Rodman who was merely using a gimmick of supposed bisexuality to profit from it, guys back then were just more macho. There was ego involved and it was about beating the pistons, not joining them. Today they are metrosexual, wear skinny jeans and are offended by everything.

Another factor is the sense of loyalty that existed to the city and fans. And it's something that spilled over into the next era as Duncan and Dirk never even entertained the idea of leaving...Sorry, but Tim was never going to Orlando, it was a power play move. The game evolved and players came to the stark realization that the owners are not loyal to you, so take care of yourself.

[Dirks_Finale]

Overall it's been excellent. Seriously, I am watching it and the next thing I know, the credits are rolling and it's over. Feels like each episode lasts like 5 minutes. No dull moments.

[ace3g]

[Pelicans78]

LOL lefty with the Ls in this thread.

[lefty]

With the exception of Rodman who was merely using a gimmick of supposed bisexuality to profit from it, guys back then were just more macho. There was ego involved and it was about beating the pistons, not joining them. Today they are metrosexual, wear skinny jeans and are offended by everything.

Another factor is the sense of loyalty that existed to the city and fans. And it's something that spilled over into the next era as Duncan and Dirk never even entertained the idea of leaving...Sorry, but Tim was never going to Orlando, it was a power play move. The game evolved and players came to the stark realization that the owners are not loyal to you, so take care of yourself.

I have a bridge to sell you

[lefty]

LOL lefty with the Ls in this thread.

sorry to burst your bubble
Truth hurts but you will eventually accept that the NBA is better today

[MultiTroll]

Forget Jordan for a moment, would Larry or Magic have done it? Would Isaiah team up with those guys to try and take down Jordan? I don't see it in any scenario. That wasn't the mentality then.

Larry had great players around him and the FO kept em coming with trades and drafts.
Magic had the same along every conceivable advantage.

If Bird lost Parish and McHale to cancer and Magic lost Kream and Worthy to AIDs would they then consider going to another team with a super star in place?
Yes.

[Pelicans78]

sorry to burst your bubble
Truth hurts but you will eventually accept that the NBA is better today

The NBA is tier than ever. It may have been flawed back then but it’s not any better now with small ball, everyone shooting threes, big men with no offensive game and only used in pick n rolls offensively and rim protection on defense, super teams, low ratings, Trae Young an All-Star lol, guys faking injuries for a whole season because they hate where they play. Plenty of more examples of how ty the league still is, but I don’t have all night to post it.