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“maybe they are not reporting numbers”
this is a sad excuse to bring up when your mighty country is getting sodomized by a flu bug tbqh
In the worldwide race for a vaccine to stop the coronavirus, the laboratory sprinting fastest is at Oxford University.
Most other teams have had to start with small clinical trials of a few hundred participants to demonstrate safety. But scientists at the university’s Jenner Ins ute had a running start on a vaccine, having proved in previous trials that similar inoculations — including one last year against an earlier coronavirus — were harmless to humans.
That has enabled them to leap ahead and schedule tests of their new coronavirus vaccine involving more than 6,000 people by the end of next month, hoping to show not only that it is safe, but also that it works.
The Oxford scientists now say that with an emergency approval from regulators, the first few million doses of their vaccine could be available by September — at least several months ahead of any of the other announced efforts — if it proves to be effective.
Now, they have received promising news suggesting that it might.
Scientists at the National Ins utes of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine. The animals were then exposed to heavy quan ies of the virus that is causing the pandemic — exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab. But more than 28 days later all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher who conducted the test.
“The rhesus macaque is pretty much the closest thing we have to humans,” Dr. Munster said, noting that scientists were still analyzing the result. He said he expected to share it with other scientists next week and then submit it to a peer-reviewed journal.
Immunity in monkeys is no guarantee that a vaccine will provide the same degree of protection for humans. A Chinese company that recently started a clinical trial with 144 participants, SinoVac, has also said that its vaccine was effective in rhesus macaques. But with dozens of efforts now underway to find a vaccine, the monkey results are the latest indication that Oxford’s accelerated venture is emerging as a bellwether.
“It is a very, very fast clinical program,” said Emilio Emini, a director of the vaccine program at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which is providing financial support to many competing efforts.
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Again this is the one to bet on.
“maybe they are not reporting numbers”
this is a sad excuse to bring up when your mighty country is getting sodomized by a flu bug tbqh
What's the evidence of this massive number manipulation? One could infer China given their dictatorial government, but everyone else?
Thinking China and Russia
So remove China's population from the world total, remove North Korea, remove Russia, remove other non-reporting nations...
Then make a value judgment based on those metrics.
And North Korea... sure... however, that doesn't mean the rest isn't reporting accurately (or at least as accurately as the US is)
As I've been saying, pay attention to how you can manufacture a billion doses.
Think that will be updated to unemployment rate highest in 85 years?
Can you answer the question without spouting conspiracies about South Korea?
or on the toilet tbh
Oh snap, zombie
fine, that takes world population from 7.6 to 6 billion. US is still 5.5% of population with 1/3 of covid cases and 1/4 of covid deaths.
Fantastic news
Except remember to mute while you flush, lol. I can usually tell if someone is in the loo during the call, the echo is obvious and most people have tile.
Fify for honesty
This argument will never, ever be convincing to me because the American military is obviously the most advanced military apparatus the world has ever known, responsible for God knows how many technological innovations over the past 70 years, and it is a "public service." Sure, the contractors are driven by profit, but the military's application isn't, at least in theory. If China invaded us tomorrow, there wouldn't be any bean counters examining if defending against that invasion would be "profitable." They would just do it. On the other hand, insurance companies examine the potential profitability of their patients.
I think our healthcare system should be modeled after national defense. Despite misuse of our national defense by neocon assholes (Irag and staying in Afghanistan for far too long), it's still the best in the world, and by far.
This is why "small Government" conservatives also make zero sense to me. Pretty much all of them fetishize our military when it's the biggest government program there is. "Small government" conservatives are Democratic socialists and don't even know it
Sure, but if we can at least leap past the clinical trials, that's a great start
A Virginia preacher believed ‘God can heal anything.’
Then he caught coronavirus.
Landon Spradlin went to Mardi Gras to save souls.
He never made it home.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/04/27/pastor-landon-spradlin-coronavirus-death/
Mark up another "soul" for Trash
You cannot dismiss technology in a great military. Why is the US military so powerful if not for their technology? Do you think a human being in Russia isn't as capable as one in the US?This argument will never, ever be convincing to me because the American military is obviously the most advanced military apparatus the world has ever known, responsible for God knows how many technological innovations over the past 70 years, and it is a "public service." Sure, the contractors are driven by profit, but the military's application isn't, at least in theory. If China invaded us tomorrow, there wouldn't be any bean counters examining if defending against that invasion would be "profitable." They would just do it. On the other hand, insurance companies examine the potential profitability of their patients.
I think our healthcare system should be modeled after national defense. Despite misuse of our national defense by neocon assholes (Irag and staying in Afghanistan for far too long), it's still the best in the world, and by far.
This is why "small Government" conservatives also make zero sense to me. Pretty much all of them fetishize our military when it's the biggest government program there is. "Small government" conservatives are Democratic socialists and don't even know it
The ability to sit on a ship miles offshore and launch tomahawks into cities surgically doesn't factor into the military might? Or the night capabilities, the stealth recon abilities due to AWACS and satellite feeds? Real time threat assessment from drones, with ability to put ordinance on targets unmanned?
Aircraft carriers launching thousands of sorties, nuclear subs that can do stealth insertions of tactical teams?
Sure..
The government part is something like Les Aspin putting SF into a hostile engagement in broad daylight in Mogadishu.
Yeah, I just don't think that's the hardest part, incredibly smart people dedicate their entire careers to researching vaccines. Vaccine R&D is much higher margin than antiviral treatments which was overwhelmingly underfunded pre-covid... I'm talking private not public R&D
I think if there's one thing that's clear after this pandemic, is that there should definitely be a national interest in healthy working people. It doesn't mean healthcare is a "human right", it means that you can't separate a healthy economy from healthy workers.
As such, it's also pretty clear that the private sector and profit motive couldn't have handled this either (heck, they had to be bailed out). Maybe we need to do more on a day to day basis, so when the emergency comes around, we don't have to bail everybody out.
From what I read, we were supposed to get to the point of having a tested, working vaccine no earlier than next year, THEN start manufacturing. That's why I think this would be good news.
Obviously, your experience overrides anything I say on this topic.
I'm talking about China and other populous nations. If you're going to use metrics for confirmation bias, you might want to make sure the numbers are accurate.
"There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.""
You're comparing apples to oranges. Comparative data needs to be collected using one scheme, not dozens.
God can't even wipe his own ass and you think he's curing COVID?
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