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[TimDunkem]

Except I never said that. If he murdered the people then he should be prosecuted. I just don't have enough facts. And neither do you. I do know that some crimes for sure were committed and on the ones that might have been committed, I withhold judgment. But I agree that regardless of whether or not it was self defense, the kid should not have been there trying to police the mob. He wasn't trained for that and he had no right to be there policing what was going on.

One or two of the guys you were siding with last night did basically say that so please ing forgive me if you come off that way too when you say "what about.." when the guy you're defending killed two people.

[cd98]

Can we agree that destroying property to end police murders =/= Murdering people to protect property?

We can agree that destroying property does not justify an arbitrary death penalty by someone that has a gun, though if the store owner was there protecting his property and shot them as they were trying to rob him, it would probably be legal. That's not the case. But can you also agree that you don't know why he shot those three guys and that if they were the instigators that he is allowed to defend himself? I'm not taking the kid's side, but I also am not rushing to judgment without facts like you are when you call it murder before knowing that it was actually murder.

[Nathan89]

"Raysean White, the man who said he filmed the video of the shooting that circulated widely online, told The Associated Press that he heard officers shout "Drop the knife! Drop the knife!" before they shot Blake,"

[TimDunkem]

We can agree that destroying property does not justify an arbitrary death penalty by someone that has a gun, though if the store owner was there protecting his property and shot them as they were trying to rob him, it would probably be legal. That's not the case. But can you also agree that you don't know why he shot those three guys and that if they were the instigators that he is allowed to defend himself? I'm not taking the kid's side, but I also am not rushing to judgment without facts like you are when you call it murder before knowing that it was actually murder.

Are you really going to keep arguing this when we have the footage of the second guys being shot because they were trying to subdue guy with gun who already killed someone and at that point was a known agitator?

[cd98]

Again, if this kid was an illegal from Mexico you all would call for a swift bullet in the head, ship his corpse to Mexico in a MAGA hat, then scream "law and order, build the wall".


But since he loves Trump and licks cop boots, it's totally okay to break gun laws and kill fellow Americans in the name of protecting property.

I'm not a Trump supporter at all. But I do think you are guilty of the same stereotyping that you condemn when it is against BLM. No one supports shooting someone in the head and dropping them off in Mexico. That's not Trump orthodoxy or anyone's. That's just a mischaracterization that shows you either are out of touch with reality or unable to have an honest discussion about what has happened.

[TimDunkem]

I'm not a Trump supporter at all. But I do think you are guilty of the same stereotyping that you condemn when it is against BLM. No one supports shooting someone in the head and dropping them off in Mexico. That's not Trump orthodoxy or anyone's. That's just a mischaracterization that shows you either are out of touch with reality or unable to have an honest discussion about what has happened.

You live in a fantasy world if you don't think a large group of this country thinks that way. I see them every day.

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Can we agree that destroying property to end police murders =/= Murdering people to protect property?

You keep on using the word "murder". Do you understand what the word "murder" means? It doesn't look like you do...

[TimDunkem]

, some of them are posting in the Politics Forum daily.

[TimDunkem]

You keep on using the word "murder". Do you understand what the word "murder" means? It doesn't look like you do...

Tell me again how it was totally okay to break gun laws and end up killing two people, or was that pgard? Can't tell with you morons anymore. It's like you're all made in the same factory.

[cd98]

Are you really going to keep arguing this when we have the footage of the second guys being shot because they were trying to subdue guy with gun who already killed someone and at that point was a known agitator?

Go back and read my posts. I make this exact point as a possibility. But you have to look at it from every view, not just your Trump bashing point of view. The first thing that matters is why he shot the first guy. Was it justified? Or was it murder? That is important. Second, what was the intent of the guys subduing him. Where they trying to attack him? Were they justified in subduing him? Did they intend to subdue or attack? And was it rational for him, under the cir stances, to see it as an attack and not "subduing" him. This are all important questions that we need answers to before we can rush to judgment on whether the shooting was justified or not. You have to look at the totality of the cir stances before you can make a real judgment. Most people don't. Most people just jump to the conclusion that supports their agenda. Like you claim its murder when you really have no information. Others are saying that it is self defense, when there are not enough facts to show that yet if at all.

[cd98]

You live in a fantasy world if you don't think a large group of this country thinks that way. I see them every day.

Actually you are part of the problem with discourse if you think a large group of people think that way. You are very misguided and you should get outside your circle of influence.

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Are you really going to keep arguing this when we have the footage of the second guys being shot because they were trying to subdue guy with gun who already killed someone and at that point was a known agitator?

Why are you trying to gaslight us with this ing bull ? We can all watch the video. That not "trying to subdue the guy" - that's trying to stomp him into strawberry jam...

[cd98]

Tell me again how it was totally okay to break gun laws and end up killing two people, or was that pgard? Can't tell with you morons anymore. It's like you're all made in the same factory.

Because it's not an element of self defense that the weapon has to be legally obtained before it can be used as self defense. I don't know if he had the gun illegally, but if it was, that doesn't erase a self defense argument.

[TimDunkem]

Go back and read my posts. I make this exact point as a possibility. But you have to look at it from every view, not just your Trump bashing point of view. The first thing that matters is why he shot the first guy. Was it justified? Or was it murder? That is important. Second, what was the intent of the guys subduing him. Where they trying to attack him? Were they justified in subduing him? Did they intend to subdue or attack? And was it rational for him, under the cir stances, to see it as an attack and not "subduing" him. This are all important questions that we need answers to before we can rush to judgment on whether the shooting was justified or not. You have to look at the totality of the cir stances before you can make a real judgment. Most people don't. Most people just jump to the conclusion that supports their agenda. Like you claim its murder when you really have no information. Others are saying that it is self defense, when there are not enough facts to show that yet if at all.

He is a right wing, Trump sucking, cop boot-licking kid illegally brandishing a gun in another state.

He went to a BLM protest with a lot of angry people on the opposite side politically as him.

He and his fake militia went and told (according to eyewitnesses) protesters they were on their side.

Then they started agitating when their cover was blown.

It led to an altercation and Kyle killed a guy.

That's when he was chased and they attempted to subdue him.

He shot two more people and killed one when they were about to give him a well-deserved beating.

Like you guys said last night: "What did he think would happen"?

[TimDunkem]

Why are you trying to gaslight us with this ing bull ? We can all watch the video. That not "trying to subdue the guy" - that's trying to stomp him into strawberry jam...

Would've been well-deserved just like when all of you imply it's totally okay that people are dead even though Kyle and his fake militia were agitators.

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There is zero evidence of your white supremacy claim.

This is also irrelevant in a case of self defense.

“Any *patriots* willing to take up arms and defend *our* city tonight from *evil thugs*?”

Wasn't his fight, wasn't his city, wasn't his right to call black folks pissed off at being murdered by cops, thugs.

He's a blue lives matter, gun hoarding and toting, wannabe cop, right wing sycophantic, Trump rally attending, violence seeking, punk ass that just ended two lives, maimed another, and ruined three families. him and anyone defending him.

[TimDunkem]

Actually you are part of the problem with discourse if you think a large group of people think that way. You are very misguided and you should get outside your circle of influence.

You have no clue. These people are in our families, our workplaces, etc. I myself am a victim of racism, but go ahead and keep feeding me BS. Your Kyle is still going to prison.

[TimDunkem]

“Any *patriots* willing to take up arms and defend *our* city tonight from *evil thugs*?”

Wasn't his fight, wasn't his city, wasn't his right to call black folks pissed off at being murdered by cops, thugs.

He's a blue lives matter, gun hoarding and toting, wannabe cop, right wing sycophantic, Trump rally attending, violence seeking, punk ass that just ended two lives, maimed another, and ruined three families. him and anyone defending him.

All the mental gymnastics and deflections are hilarious though.

[cd98]

He is a right wing, Trump sucking, cop boot-licking kid illegally brandishing a gun in another state.

He went to a BLM protest with a lot of angry people on the opposite side politically as him.

He and his fake militia went and told (according to eyewitnesses) protesters they were on their side.

Then they started agitating when their cover was blown.

It led to an altercation and Kyle killed a guy.

That's when he was chased and they attempted to subdue him.

He shot two more people and killed one when they were about to give him a well-deserved beating.

Like you guys said last night: "What did he think would happen"?

Please stop being a cartoon of the BLM stereotype. You don't know any of that. You are making all of these assumptions because of your agenda and not because of established facts. You don't know if he is right wing. Trump is despised by some Republicans and loved by some Democrats. He is not orthodox, he is a cult of personality. It is possible that this kid liked his stance on law and order, but disagrees on other things. So you are just jumping to conclusions without facts.

You don't know what his mental state was when he went there.

You don't know if he agitated anyone. And the eyewitnesses that you speak of are rioters that hardly have credibility.

You are just patching together a narrative for your agenda. You don't know what happened and you are making assumptions with no real, verified facts to support it.

[TimDunkem]

"We don't know if he was right wing"

Okay this isn't a serious person.

[cd98]

You have no clue. These people are in our families, our workplaces, etc. I myself am a victim of racism, but go ahead and keep feeding me BS. Your Kyle is still going to prison.

I deal professionally with lots of rural landowners and ranchers that are big Trump fans. And none of them have ever expressed anything like what you speak. Your statement is ignorant. I'm sorry you are the victim of racism. But that doesn't give you special insight to the thoughts of people you don't know and have never met.

[TimDunkem]

^Yeah, I'm sure you guys discuss it openly over beers.

[Nathan89]

Long thread with many details if you want more information on the matter.

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Tell me again how it was totally okay to break gun laws and end up killing two people, or was that pgard? Can't tell with you morons anymore. It's like you're all made in the same factory.

So let me get this straight, your argument is subject 1 committed a misdemeanor in public (that the people there at the time couldn't in any way prove - open carry of a long gun as a minor), is license to commit assault and potentially anything up to murder on subject 1, he has no self-defence rights at that point...

To illustrate just how bloody dumb an idea this is, let's consider something that could have happened 50 years ago, and didn't: Rosa Parks committed a (provable) misdemeanor by not giving up her seat to a white person, after the bus driver moved the colored people section sign. It would then have been legitimate to assault her...

Apparently you just believe that civil rights only apply to people you agree with politically.

[cd98]

"We don't know if he was right wing"

Okay this isn't a serious person.

How do you know? Oh wait, you assume it because he went to a Trump rally. That's why we have a court of law and not people like you making final determinations of guilt. You are a victim of racism, then you should know that people should not be judged in a vacuum and that all people are unique, yet you post stereotypes that you condemn if they were made against your race or iden y.