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    So? Assault doesn't require a lethal weapon.

    Again, I know it's convenient for you to pretend nothing happened until the guy pulled the gun, but that's not what happened here.
    Again, simple assault doesn’t justify murder.

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    Bear spray came after shooter escalated and drew his weapon. You can’t argue the sequence of events it was all caught on camera. Both people involved were dip s but how big of a pussy do you have to be to draw and point a gun at someone after they slapped you and backed off.
    is she a random woman you've never seen before who has been hostile/aggressive? is she your wife of x years who you know has never hurt a fly, etc.

    cir stances would tell the story.

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    Again, simple assault doesn’t justify murder.
    Again, that's not what the Colorado law you posted here says.

    As I said, ultimately it's going to boil down to what prosecutors think they can prove, and what the jury thinks.

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    Don't get it mixed up. The escalation came with the slap. After that, it's all self-defense.
    The slap came as or after he was reaching for his spray.

    And even then, both were moving backwards and they were distanced thereby mitigating a threat, which was not lethal, anyways.

    Dat an execution, bro. Come to terms.

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    Bear spray came after shooter escalated and drew his weapon. You can’t argue the sequence of events it was all caught on camera. Both people involved were dip s but how big of a pussy do you have to be to draw and point a gun at someone after they slapped you and backed off.
    Please stop posting. You're a ing re if you believe anything of what you just wrote. Did the shooter go up to dead man and confront him first? NO. Did shooter assault the dead man first? NO. Did shooter escalate the situation by pulling out mace to try and injure the dead man? NO. The shooter simply defended himself after being assaulted.

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    spraying somebody while walking backwards is still escalation

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    The slap came as or after he was reaching for his spray.

    And even then, both were moving backwards and they were distanced thereby mitigating a threat, which was not lethal, anyways.

    Dat an execution, bro. Come to terms.
    lol stop making up. He assaulted the guy, ate a bullet. Pretty clear cut, IMVHO.

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    Please stop posting. You're a ing re if you believe anything of what you just wrote. Did the shooter go up to dead man and confront him first? NO. Did shooter assault the dead man first? NO. Did shooter escalate the situation by pulling out mace to try and injure the dead man? NO. The shooter simply defended himself after being assaulted.
    He's trolling tbh

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    There was more than one escalation. You can't realistically argue assaulting someone with bear spray isn't escalation.
    Initial escalation and assault were by dead guy. Dead guy backed away and still had mace at his side. Second escalation was by shooter in drawing weapon and pointing it. He should have just backed away when the other guy backed away.

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    Please stop posting. You're a ing re if you believe anything of what you just wrote. Did the shooter go up to dead man and confront him first? NO. Did shooter assault the dead man first? NO. Did shooter escalate the situation by pulling out mace to try and injure the dead man? NO. The shooter simply defended himself after being assaulted.
    LOL the thug slapped him and then backed up so he could spray him without getting himself. Last thought in his mind was no doubt 'i'm a show this librul got, he ain't gon shoot' as he sprayed him. Oops, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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    yeah... whatever firearm charges if appropriate, i dont know the specific state law or facts on how he got that gun in that state

    and i thought attempted murder for the last person he shot, because that person wasn't reasonably a threat imo (as evidenced by the fact that rittenhouse actually had his gun trained on him, and paused for a couple of seconds, so it wasnt a bang-bang situation where i might have more sympathy)

    i didnt think the two murder charges would stick
    The firearm is reportedly a state resident friend's of his IIRC. Also, KR lives within 20 minutes, so I would imagine the law is either written to allow for that or is enforced in that manner. Common sense would tell me that; but I haven't researched it.

    And the last attacker stupidly ran right towards him and into his vicinity. So, even if you're claiming he had "surrendered", he then made that null by being a dumb ass.

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    Initial escalation and assault were by dead guy. Dead guy backed away and still had mace at his side. Second escalation was by shooter in drawing weapon and pointing it. He should have just backed away when the other guy backed away.
    Third escalation was thug bear spraying security guard. Don't know what's so hard to see about this.

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    LOL the thug slapped him and then backed up so he could spray him without getting himself. Last thought in his mind was no doubt 'i'm a show this librul got, he ain't gon shoot' as he sprayed him. Oops, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    this

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    spraying somebody while walking backwards is still escalation
    Pulling a gun on someone backing away who isn’t spraying you is escalation. And it doesn’t matter if spraying someone while backing up is escalation, lethal force at that point is not lawful. Bear spray isn’t considered lethal.

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    LOL the thug slapped him and then backed up so he could spray him without getting himself. Last thought in his mind was no doubt 'i'm a show this librul got, he ain't gon shoot' as he sprayed him. Oops, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    They both won stupid prizes.

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    The firearm is reportedly a state resident friend's of his IIRC. Also, KR lives within 20 minutes, so I would imagine the law is either written to allow for that or is enforced in that manner. Common sense would tell me that; but I haven't researched it.

    And the last attacker stupidly ran right towards him and into his vicinity. So, even if you're claiming he had "surrendered", he then made that null by being a dumb ass.
    well yeah, he reached for the sky, stopped, and kyle didnt shoot (which tbh actually showed remarkable restraint given what had just happened). but then the guy obviously didnt just want to stand there in perpetuity with a gun drawn him, so he tried moving away toward the sidewalk at which point rittenhouse panicked and shot him, which you just cant do

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    LOL the thug slapped him and then backed up so he could spray him without getting himself. Last thought in his mind was no doubt 'i'm a show this librul got, he ain't gon shoot' as he sprayed him. Oops, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    That's exactly what I see too. He's almost daring 'librul got' to shoot him. He lost that bet.

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    They both won stupid prizes.
    Not really. Not yet anyways.

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    Pulling a gun on someone backing away who isn’t spraying you is escalation. And it doesn’t matter if spraying someone while backing up is escalation, lethal force at that point is not lawful. Bear spray isn’t considered lethal.
    in a perfect world i would probably agree with you. in a 2A, open carry world, its not, unless he was brandishing it. dont think from the rapid photos we can demonstrate that he was brandishing it discernibly before bubba maced him

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    Don't get it mixed up. The escalation came with the slap. After that, it's all self-defense.
    NO NO NO THE ASSAULT WAS COMPLETELY OVER FOR A WHOLE LESS THAN A SECOND

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    Pulling a gun on someone backing away who isn’t spraying you is escalation. And it doesn’t matter if spraying someone while backing up is escalation, lethal force at that point is not lawful. Bear spray isn’t considered lethal.
    You seem to be confused about this. There's absolutely nothing wrong/illegal about pulling a gun after you've been attacked. Nothing. You seem very, very confused about this particular topic.

    Shooting the gun afterwards, that's way more debatable.

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    well yeah, he reached for the sky, stopped, and kyle didnt shoot (which tbh actually showed remarkable restraint given what had just happened). but then the guy obviously didnt just want to stand there in perpetuity with a gun drawn him, so he tried moving away toward the sidewalk at which point rittenhouse panicked and shot him, which you just cant do
    He was an established attacker at that point. He ran within mere feet of him and towards him instead of backing away. That's an imminent threat. You'll notice Kyle didn't shoot the guy who had his hands up and was backing away.

    Also, the dumb ass claimed afterwards that he wished he had killed Kyle. So good luck finding a sympathetic jury on that one in the second place.

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    LOL the thug slapped him and then backed up so he could spray him without getting himself. Last thought in his mind was no doubt 'i'm a show this librul got, he ain't gon shoot' as he sprayed him. Oops, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
    Plus a ing slap? reminds me of this Chappelle's Show classic.


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    He was an established attacker at that point. He ran within mere feet of him and towards him instead of backing away. That's an imminent threat. You'll notice Kyle didn't shoot the guy who had his hands up and was backing away.

    Also, the dumb ass claimed afterwards that he wished he had killed Kyle. So good luck finding a sympathetic jury on that one in the second place.
    how is he an established attacker if he never attacked him?

    and yeah if some kid shot me after i surrendered id regret having surrendered too

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    That's exactly what I see too. He's almost daring 'librul got' to shoot him. He lost that bet.
    "Daring."

    In the second place, I'm not sure he even knew the guy had a gun. It was concealed up until the moment of murder.

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