Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

[rankingtear]

Multiple sources have told Bleacher Report the name they keep hearing now for the Timberwolves is James Wiseman. "Some within the Golden State Warriors think Wiseman is going No. 1, whether Minnesota keeps the pick or not," one source plugged into the conversation said.

[Dverde]

I think GSW do #2 and Wiggins for LMA and #11 in a heartbeat. I don’t think the Spurs want to give up #11 for that Wiggins take back. Maybe LMA, Rudy Gay (trade exception) for Wiggins and #2 gets the deal done. I can’t see GSW wanting to include Looney or Green for an old version of LMA.

[Thomas82]

That may have been true Big Three, but other teams don't give 2 s about the Spurs now. They just want to make their own team as good as possible.

Good point!!

[Thomas82]

Multiple sources have told Bleacher Report the name they keep hearing now for the Timberwolves is James Wiseman. "Some within the Golden State Warriors think Wiseman is going No. 1, whether Minnesota keeps the pick or not," one source plugged into the conversation said.

This should be interesting. Besides us, the only other teams I know that have interest in him are the Hornets, Wizards, and Celtics.

[exstatic]

Have the Spurs worked out Wiseman?
If this deal goes through, I don’t think he’s their guy.
But, what a deal this would be, regardless of who the Spurs pick.

He worked out for GS, but there’s nothing to say that they couldn’t invite the Spurs to watch, if there is really something brewing. It would count as a GS workout,and not a Spurs one, but they could still get the info they need.

[talkspurs]

I always wondering how much of the god drafting was RC and how much of it Sam Presti. Presti has made some really good trades since he has gone to OKC and spurs not so much.

[exstatic]

Multiple sources have told Bleacher Report the name they keep hearing now for the Timberwolves is James Wiseman. "Some within the Golden State Warriors think Wiseman is going No. 1, whether Minnesota keeps the pick or not," one source plugged into the conversation said.

It’s a bluff, like Boston ran on Philly to get them to pick swap 1 for 3. Boston had no intention of picking Fulz, but they bluffed by leaking that they might. They got #3, a future pick, which I believe is this year’s #14, and they picked Tatum, who they always wanted. Minny has KAT. Using #1, which will cost $9M year one, for a development project who’s development is automatically stunted by playing behind KAT, makes no sense.

[Thomas82]

It’s a bluff, like Boston ran on Philly to get them to pick swap 1 for 3. Boston had no intention of picking Fulz, but they bluffed by leaking that they might. They got #3, a future pick, which I believe is this year’s #14, and they picked Tatum, who they always wanted. Minny has KAT. Using #1, which will cost $9M year one, for a development project who’s development is automatically stunted by playing behind KAT, makes no sense.

I hope it is a bluff, especially since they could be potentially picking him for another team.

[jjktkk]

I always wondering how much of the god drafting was RC and how much of it Sam Presti. Presti has made some really good trades since he has gone to OKC and spurs not so much.

So you didn't like the Spur's General manager R.C. Buford trading George Hill — a beloved backup point guard coach Gregg Popovich called his favorite player — to Indiana for its 15th overall pick, a 20-year-old sop re out of San Diego State named Kawhi Leonard?

[Dejounte]

So you didn't like the Spur's General manager R.C. Buford trading George Hill — a beloved backup point guard coach Gregg Popovich called his favorite player — to Indiana for its 15th overall pick, a 20-year-old sop re out of San Diego State named Kawhi Leonard?

Unless you were in the war room, there's no concrete proof that it was Presti (or any specific individual) that was responsible for that trade. For all we know, it was a collective decision (it should be. that's how things work in big organizations).

Edit: you said RC Buford. Point still stands lol

[jjktkk]

Unless you were in the war room, there's no concrete proof that it was Presti (or any specific individual) that was responsible for that trade. For all we know, it was a collective decision (it should be. that's how things work in big organizations).

Edit: you said RC Buford. Point still stands lol

Yeah, Presti had already left for Seattle, and then OKC long before PATFO swung the trade for Leonard. @talkspurs needs to do a little more research next time.

[rankingtear]

I always wondering how much of the god drafting was RC and how much of it Sam Presti. Presti has made some really good trades since he has gone to OKC and spurs not so much.

The Harden trade happened. They just made the finals the year before and the difference in contract negotation was reported to be 5 million.

[talkspurs]

So you didn't like the Spur's General manager R.C. Buford trading George Hill — a beloved backup point guard coach Gregg Popovich called his favorite player — to Indiana for its 15th overall pick, a 20-year-old sop re out of San Diego State named Kawhi Leonard?

IM not saying the Spurs have not done anything good. I think OKC has done better though. Look at the trade they did last year for CP3. that was a steal by OKC. Look at the Spurs trade to toronto (a player that wanted out) vs Paul George ( a player who wanted out). Kawhi I would argue was the better Player but OKC got more.

[Dejounte]

IM not saying the Spurs have not done anything good. I think OKC has done better though. Look at the trade they did last year for CP3. that was a steal by OKC. Look at the Spurs trade to toronto (a player that wanted out) vs Paul George ( a player who wanted out). Kawhi I would argue was the better Player but OKC got more.

Two totally different situations...

I don't know why whenever the Kawhi trade is brought up, that they conveniently ignore that he tanked his own value giving us very limited options for trade partners.

AND let's be real, NO ONE expected the Thunder to be in the playoffs this year. Probably not even the Thunder themselves when they traded for CP3. They probably thought he would just be a good vet for the young guys.

[talkspurs]

Two totally different situations...

I don't know why whenever the Kawhi trade is brought up, that they conveniently ignore that he tanked his own value giving us very limited options for trade partners.

AND let's be real, NO ONE expected the Thunder to be in the playoffs this year. Probably not even the Thunder themselves when they traded for CP3. They probably thought he would just be a good vet for the young guys.

So did george. He said he was going to LAC. That was the only place he was going.

I am not talking about the thunder going to the Playoffs. Yes I mentioned the Paul trade but they got rid of an equal player (just older but CP3 and Westbrook I would say are both equal) but they also got lots of picks.

[TD 21]

Somehow a thread that was intended to poor cold water on this notion has done the exact opposite and added fuel to the fire. It's as if virtually no one read/listened beyond the le, despite the brevity.

You have a good point, which is why I think the deal doesn't happen without 11. They are banking on an upgrade at the front court AND getting either Vassel or Bey to fill the whole on the wing with a 3 and D prospect. Not ideal to put a rookie in the SL, but when you have Curry, Thompson, Green and LA there all you need is a young kid with the prototypical wing body who can play defense. It's actually pretty smart on their part. I think to make it all work you go:

To GS - LA & 11

To SA - Wiggins, 2, & Minny's 21 1st rounder

This really is win win for everyone.

GS gets a win now player who will immediately bolster their lineup for at least a year or two to compete with LA (the Clippers and rockets will both be looking for bigs this year to hold down AD so the importance of GS having one is more important than ever). They also get a pick that allows them to fill a need at the wing with a defensive rookie. And they can fill out the roster with ring chasing vets per usual.

The spurs should not be trying to win this year. The west is an arms race, the streak is broken, and we need to focus on rebuild. Enter Wiggins, a perennial under achiever on an albatross contact. Put him along the youngsters and let pop and chip work their magic. He's had steady improvement recently so the evidence points to continued improvement with good coaching. Best case he finally reaches his #1 overall potential; worst case he flounders a bit and we offload his contract at the and of the year. His contact will have one less year on it which will make him more appealing to other teams and it won't hurt us long term. We can trade DDR with this also to free up guard minutes for the young guys and get an asset or two for him while we're at it since Wiggins can step into the 3 spot. Pick up a few vets to fill in the frontcourt. Stick number 2 in Austin (not ideal, but let's be honest that's what pop will do anyway) and we end up with two 1st rounder next year with a better draft that we can use on two guys or to move up again.

Again, everyone wins here. But knowing how ridiculously stupid Minny is they'll probably end up sending KAT to GS to get their first rounder back 

So the Warriors are now supposed to give up both of their chances to find a bridge player to their next era to dump an albatross and for a 35 year old, on an expiring contract, coming off of shoulder surgery? Come on, man.

Wiggins hasn't had steady improvement. His shot profile somewhat modernized last season, but he's still an inefficient scorer and poor 3-point shooter/defender/rebounder/play maker.

[JuneJive]

Somehow a thread that was intended to poor cold water on this notion has done the exact opposite and added fuel to the fire. It's as if virtually no one read/listened beyond the le, despite the brevity.



So the Warriors are now supposed to give up both of their chances to find a bridge player to their next era to dump an albatross and for a 35 year old, on an expiring contract, coming off of shoulder surgery? Come on, man.

Wiggins hasn't had steady improvement. His shot profile somewhat modernized last season, but he's still an inefficient scorer and poor 3-point shooter/defender/rebounder/play maker.

Bolstering their championship aspirations or getting a bridge player?

They really can't have both. Firstly because of the financial implications.

Secondly, if Wiggins is such a lousy player, a negative asset, it would surely cost them something to get rid of him.

What do you suggest they do?

Dump Wiggins with a pick attached but keep the other one ( #2 or Minny '21 ) and go from there with the existing set of players.

As it stands they need to create a bench and get a starting calibre SF type of player. Lot to do.

[SpursDynasty85]

It’s a bluff, like Boston ran on Philly to get them to pick swap 1 for 3. Boston had no intention of picking Fulz, but they bluffed by leaking that they might. They got #3, a future pick, which I believe is this year’s #14, and they picked Tatum, who they always wanted. Minny has KAT. Using #1, which will cost $9M year one, for a development project who’s development is automatically stunted by playing behind KAT, makes no sense.

this makes the most sense. It’s obvious Warriors or the Spurs do not want a guard.

[Dhbsr555]

Would y’all offer keldon for Wiggins plus #2 plus mint pick next year ... I say no but it’s been talked about

[Trueblood]

To each their own man, you're more than en led to your opinion my friend.

I respectfully disagree. First off they are already looking to trade the #2 pick. If they really wanted a bridging player this is the pick to find it. If Minnesota does better this year and they come back to their previous form they run the risk of two picks that are both worse than what they have now. Perhaps they are comfortable thinking they can use them both to move up next year. But I just don't buy it. I think they aren't thinking 5 years from now. They still have Curry, Green and Thompson but at this point I wouldn't see them getting past the Lakers or the Clippers. They might even struggle against the rockets or jazz. Their window is getting close to closing but it hasn't closed yet. They aren't thinking rebuild but retool. Which is where all the smoke is coming from with the trading 2 rumors.

Maybe the spurs throw in 41? What do you think it takes to make the deal work?

[rankingtear]

Aldridge + White/Murray + #11 for #2 + Wiggins + MIN 2021 1st + TPE.

I think this would get it done. Although if GS think they have a shot at Beal or Giannis at the deadline they may not want to part with MIN 2021 and Wiggins.

Murray/White + #11 for #2 + TPE is cleaner and would still allow them to be players at the deadline.

More in line to the ATL insiders rumored price for the #2 pick

GS has been doing the same as MIN but a lot more open to pick swap and higher end young player than MIN. GS is really pushing for a deal with CHI, CLE, DET, and ATL. CHI just lacks all interest as does CLE. As I’ve mention, the name that has been mention has been Kevin Huerter. For CLE, Collin Sexton and from CHI, Lauri M and L. Kennard from DET.

[Dhbsr555]

I would add Murray in a trade for sure

[Dhbsr555]

But wouldn’t add 11th if Murray is involved

[Dhbsr555]

If gsw doesn’t get rid of Wiggins they have no shot at Giannis there already over the luxury tax

[cd021]

Would y’all offer keldon for Wiggins plus #2 plus mint pick next year ... I say no but it’s been talked about

Nah. I wouldn't want the Spurs to offer a pick beyond this draft. There's always the chance that that pick could be much higher than 11 and in a better draft. As for Keldon, I think I'd rather have him than the 11th pick in this current draft. Spurs should keep him.