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Well said.
Nice writeup.. agree wholeheartedly.. thanks for the memories Lamarcus.
Well said.
Good to have a reminder on some of the good work he did here. Still, here is my random thought on LMA... peace homie!!!!
You can't apply a stretch provision to an expiring contract.
Where other organizations do wrong, the Spurs do right.
These are people, not trading cards.
You're not only dealing with players either, you're dealing with their agency.
Answer to #1: It was the result of a 31 point ass kicking by Memphis. After that game, LMA suddenly developed a hip issue, which lasted exactly up to the game they needed him to play, because they were short handed because of COVID. He played three games off the bench, then, when players came back, developed some non specific stomach ailment.
Can’t think of a direct quote,but I remember after the 14 Championship, they had a round table with the big three and Pop, and at one point Tim said something about most players who leave had expressed regret at leaving that environment to him when they talked. Tony and Manu agreed.
LMA has been overall a great pro, bit of drama here and there but compared with today's NBA he has been quiet and did his job to the best of his abilities. Spurs should be grateful for that.
Now on the negative side:
- LMA was probably the biggest free agent signing to SA, and I'm not sure his experience will encourage other big names to come here one day. During his tenure here he became a bit invisible for the media and had to mold into Pop mentality of team first stars after. All in all his signing is just confirmation of what was already known on the market, SA is a small market dominated by Pop, if not winning you won't increase your value coming here.
- LMA helped keep alive Spurs competiveness and as already mentionned without uncle and zaza we probably have 1 or 2 les with LMA being second option of a winning team. Unfortunately zaza uncle happened and with LMA Spurs became a slightly above average team. Without LMA Spurs would have moved on faster towards the future.
Yeah. Really the only Spurs during the "classic run" who complained about the environment after leaving was S. Jackson. (And I guess Rodman if you go back a little earlier). But in the last 5 years so there have been many malcontents including Blair, DeColo, Dedman, David West (that was one of the first signs, a major player who sacrificed a ton of cash to join, then left disgruntled and he had a pro's pro rep), Jonathon Simmons, Kawhi (though while disgruntled, he was going to CA either way, so who knows), and now LMA. It's not that the culture is bad, its just returning to normal NBA since the last championship.
Yeah. I get all that. My point is I wonder if that even makes a difference. As a small market team, obviously we shouldn’t make our situation worse by screwing over players, but I don’t see it actually making us a place players want to play for unless they have to, but I do think the culture converts some into believers to stick around, like Patty and maybe Rudy, for example.
Edit: I now see that others have already had this conversation.
Last edited by The Truth #6; 03-12-2021 at 09:20 AM.
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So how does a buyout work exactly? Does the player get the full amount owed on his contract, or is it a negotiation to get out of his contract to leave early? For example, if he's owed 24M, can the Spurs say something like "we'll give you 21M and let you out of your contract", or does he still get that amount no matter what? If so, is the negotiation part just about over how many years he gets paid out in?
Edit : Just read this post and it clears it up a bit for me. So they can agree to a lesser amount? I don't understand about having the pay him money the following year if they agree to a lesser amount, though.
He’s actually no longer owed $24M. The remainder of his salary is somewhere in the vicinity of half that. It is a negotiation. Back in the day, it was pretty standard to get 50%, but that seems to have gone up in the last 5-10 years. I don’t believe they can pay him out over subsequent years, since he’s only owed money this year, nor do I want them to. It’s not additional money owed, it’s a discount to money already owed. They’ll just pay him whatever the negotiated amount this year, and that will be less than they owed him originally.
The Spurs don't need to pay him anymore after this season.
This is all about negotiating how much percentage of his contract that LMA wants to give back to the Spurs since he's breaking the contract.
This actually means the Spurs preference would be to move quickly on the buyout since it would mean paying LMA more if they waited all the way until the trade deadline.
Another sign that they have SOME confidence something can get done with another team via trade.
Is there a bad contract you'd be willing to take back for Aldridge provided it came with at least one first round pick? Which bad contract? How many picks?
Alternatively, is there a player whom you'd be willing to be willing trade for if you attached the '21 pick and maybe Walker to Aldridge?
Their priority most likely is an out of conference trade. Buyout is the last resort as we are still trying to make the playoffs.
He took FOREVER to adjust to our team. I remember yelling at him for years because he never knew when to shoot and when to pass. He couldn't really play the team game the way so many of our players could - you needed to give him the ball and get out of his way for him to be effective.
That being said, I came to respect him and the way he handled himself. He was probably the guy that got ed the hardest by Kawhi.
Great write-up timvp
Agree that Aldridge did deliver on expectations (even in the massive shadow cast by Tim Duncan) and that a lack of LO trophy isn’t on him
As for next steps, I don’t see a trade happening unless the Spurs include other pieces. To your point, not many teams have the ability to absorb LA’s contract and the ones that do, aren’t going to sacrifice anything of value to do so. The Spurs also are handicapped by available roster spots.
Perhaps Boston...
They almost certainly won’t stretch out his remaining salary and will probably take the hit all this year. There is no reason to, as it eats into years they have cap space.
For the Demarre Carroll buyout, the stretch made more sense as they weren’t going to have space in any of those years anyway and it bought them space under the tax. Yes, there’s a small amount remaining next year.
Random technical question: if another team signs him this season does that affect how much we owe him? Are we recompensed any of that amount? Perhaps I’m thinking of the stretch provision rules.
not entirely true. Who is the resident capologist?
Last edited by KingKev; 03-12-2021 at 11:16 AM.
Thanks to everyone who cleared this up for me. Other than freeing up playing time for others, what benefit does this have in terms of cap space this season? Do we have more space for a buyout guy?
Would've rang in 2016 if Timmy was healthy.
Would've been back to back champs in 2017 if Kawhi wasn't Zaza'd. Overall I feel bad for LMA bc he was robbed of two opportunities for a ring due to injury and his legacy would look A LOT different.
Well it would be great to get something in return, but March 25th is just around the corner. I hope LMA goes to the Lakers or somewhere where he can win a championship.
Good luck to him!
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