If we put the pieces together,
This new information aligns with the insider from the Atlanta board.
I feel that the Atlanta insider would have known if it was DeMar going to Atlanta.
So, I believe a trade with the Bulls or the Magic is more plausible for DeMar.
Again, talks always fall through so don't get your hopes up even if this is all legitimate.
The Orlando trade would look more like this:
ORL: DeRozan
SAS: Fournier, Aminu, & ORL pick
Id be ok with a pick swap for 2021 considering Orlando is looking rough this year but I have a feeling they would want to send a highly protected (useless) pick that turns into two second rounders.
I’m skeptical why Orlando would trade a first for a Potential rental in Demar... when they’re getting rid of Fournier and Gordon
The assumption is DeMar gives his blessing to the trade and lets his next team know that he'll re-sign.
Most of the time, that conversion only happens in the 3rd or 4th year. It would go something like
Top 3
Top 10
Lottery
Convert to 2 second rounders
It also sounds like DDR 's representation is working with the Spurs to get it done..
Orlando to make that deal worth it needs to be an unprotected pick or a swap that conveys no matter what this year. Gordon would be ok but he’s overrated and doesn’t move the needle much for the spurs in the next season and a half.
Chicago I like. They have an expiring that makes the salary easy and a desirable young player hitting RFA the FO can plug in this year- the fit is obvious in the current construction of the team, and you’re not committed to any long term $ right now and can set the terms of what you’re willing to pay. You don’t lose derozan for nothing and you can see a trial run of how Lauri fits in this team before you go out and pay him. The idea of a shooting 4 who can slide over and play the 5 when necessary is really, really enticing to me especially when you see the possibilities in a post Demar world.
Lyles requesting a trade is an obvious outcome of the last week+ since his last start where he embarrassed himself on the court for the second straight game and squandered any minutes he had going forward. That nugget in the report lends some credibility to the rest and it’s the first I’ve seen it reported by anyone.
Lyles, Derozan to Chicago- Lauri and OPJ to SA. I think that’s a win/win assuming Demar is really looking at bigger market east teams where he can get easy all star selections in his mid 30s.
They just turned down two 1st rounders from Boston for Gordon. ORL front office is not very smart it seems
I heard that they’re still negotiating which first rounders. Boston has a few, plus their own.They just turned down two 1st rounders from Boston for Gordon. ORL front office is not very smart it seems
Yeah, the high price on Aaron makes me think he's not coming to SA in any deal. The deal with ORL will likely be scrap parts and hopefully a high draft pick.
A DeMar + Vucevic + third piece they get from an Aaron Gordon trade isn't a bad core.
So Reddish is apparently available, I stand corrected. I still think they'll hold onto Okongwu, young bigs are always a work in progress and a few trusted scouts had ranked higher than Wiseman in terms of potential.
Collins makes more sense as a trade target from ATL, it seems pretty clear that they don't want him and they don't want to lose a young player who is coveted around the league for nothing. Spurs could make a compe ive trade offer, but the question is would they?
-They'd have to not want to re-sign/ over-pay for Lauri to move him in that deal or really covet DeRozan.
-Their pick could/would be around 12th, that's a lot for them to give up with packaged with Markkannen.
-OPJ and the Bulls pick for DeMar actually is a pretty decent package. OPJ is a pretty good rotation player while the Spurs get a probably lottery pick in a good draft for DeMar--who may not want to re-sign.
The Fournier and a 1st for DeMar makes sense on paper, Fournier is solid and the Spurs might want to re-sign him. DeMar would help Orlando a ton too. The pick protections would probably be the issue, the Magic is currently the 4th worst team in the NBA. That pick is certain to be top 5 protected, maybe top 10.
I believe they've changed their minds on JC:
"The Atlanta Hawks have told inquiring teams that they intend to match contract offers for John Collins this offseason, according to Brian Windhorst of ESPN."
https://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ns-Offer-Sheet
That seems fairly realistic tbh.
For Orlando: They get DeMar to pair with Vucevic, and save $10 million next season of basically dead salary in Aminu
For Spurs: Get a solid player, who they might want re-sign plus a potentially very good lottery pick.
Pick protections are key though. Probably at least top 5 protected in 2021
Do both:
https://tradenba.com/trades/wwJSS0uyz
I'm doubting Orlando really wants to give their 1st for ddr to play along side Fultz... but they have to sell Fournier if they don't buy...a 2nd and a young development player might do it.
Interesting, though they kinda have to say that. If teams at least think there's a chance that they'd match in the off-season, then it gives them motivation to try and trade for him now, rather than risk the Hawks matching or another team signing him to a max offer sheet and getting him if the Hawks balk.
If I’m the magic - there’s 0 ability to sign derozan in the offseason
They have Nikola Vucevic under contract for the next 2 seasons - they need to make some move to move in the direction of “winning now” despite being one of the worst teams in basketball if they plan to hang on to Vuc and build around him as reported. Maybe a lottery pick this year gets you a Scottie Barnes that is just a world beater right off the bat- but likely it’s going to be a bit of a project that doesn’t immediately contribute to winning games.
The best player realistically available right now is derozan. If he’s locked up in the summer, Orlando has missed their boat, and with no money to spend, they are not a contender to sign him. There’s a legit conversation to be had in the magic FO if they want to remain somewhat relevant over the course of the next few years that ditching a potential project pick for an established star is the right play within the timeframe of the team (Vucevic). If they trade for derozan they can be a quasi relevant small market team with two “stars” in derozan and Vucevic instead the perennial 12 seed they are looking to be in the coming years.
Spurs have an actual market for Derozan with teams that don’t have cap space to sign him this summer and they should strike while the iron is hot now. No guarantee Danny Ainge is calling in late June.
The Magic would be trading Fournier for Gay, Eubanks and a middling second, I don't think they'd do that deal.
This may connect to the BR report:
Bulls listening to Markkanen suitors
Teams have expressed interest in Bulls forward Lauri Markkanen, and Chicago is listening to potential suitors, sources said. Markkanen has had a bounce-back season for the Bulls, averaging 17.7 points and six rebounds per game while shooting nearly 40 percent from 3-point land. Markkanen will be a sought-after restricted free agent this offseason. — Shams Charania
https://theathletic.com/2469290/2021...shared-article
It just depends on the other offers but, I doubt they are getting more than a 2nd for him if they are sellers (which was my premise)
At one point Detroit was a potential destination for DDR...are you reading any chatter about that as an option?
This should’ve been done way earlier lol. Why play into playoff contention and blow it
up when you should’ve just been bad from the start? Especially since I’m sure most of these players weren’t fully satisfied with the situation months ago.
This makes more sense for ATL. A team going into the playoffs. Orlando would be dumb to trade a pick for a non-playoff team this year.
Because most trade talks until the deadline are all posturing and smoke
I also really do think something like a Derozan/Lauri trade has win/win potential for both teams and the players involved which is exactly the type of trade PATFO would engage in.
Bad teams do really dumb things. Like refuse to trade Aaron Gordon year after year until he formally requests a trade from the team while you’re doing the same thing to Nikola Vucevic when you should be selling high and rebuilding ASAP.
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