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Grown another inch?
I’m not in favor of drafting him at 12. But at like 16 or 17 I can see him making sense.
Grown another inch?
Random thoughts:
Sengun is a better overall player than Garuba. But what is worse: Sengun’s defense or Garuba’s offense? Probably Garuba’s offense. And yet, I can see scenarios where Garuba’s defense keeps him on the floor and Sengun’s inability to defend stalls his early development.
My five candidates most likely to get drafted by the Spurs:
Sengun
Garuba
Wagner
Moody
Springer (dark horse candidate)
Not the biggest fan of Keon Johnson but I wouldn't be upset if he ends up being the pick. He played better as the year went on. Not really worried if he doesn't follow a one year college teammate on social media.
Split Value G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB TRB DRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS Month December 7 18.3 2.7 6.1 .442 0.3 1.6 .182 2.4 4.6 .531 1.7 3.0 .571 0.6 3.0 2.4 2.0 1.3 0.6 2.3 1.9 7.4 January 8 24.4 3.4 7.5 .450 0.4 1.4 .273 3.0 6.1 .490 3.0 4.2 .706 0.6 2.8 2.1 2.1 0.9 0.2 2.1 1.5 10.1 February 8 28.8 4.8 11.2 .422 0.8 2.4 .316 4.0 8.9 .451 3.8 4.6 .811 1.1 3.1 2.0 3.1 0.8 0.6 3.0 3.2 14.0 March 4 33.8 6.8 13.5 .500 0.5 1.8 .286 6.2 11.8 .532 1.2 2.2 .556 2.8 6.8 4.0 2.8 2.0 0.2 3.5 3.2 15.2
I'm not sure what my top picks are. I've heated up and then cooled on a few guys. But Johson's motor is fantastic. The athleticism is great, of course, but his motor and commitment to defense are what truly stand out. Everything else seems to be improvable. Not sure he's my top, but definitely over guys like the quitter from Duke.
This kid is lottery material.
I found this article about how some great NBA players (not all) have large hands, players like Jordan, Erving to name a few. Of course it's not only the reason, but the article says, having huge hands serves a favorable advantage in ball control. Phil Jackson when asked who he would take between Kobe and Mj on a one-on-one, he picked MJ simply because he has massive hands. Jordan with 9.75/11.375 inches length and span. In comparison, Nephew's hands are 9.75/11.25 inches length and span. Other notables, Boban 10.75/12", Shaq 10.25/12", Giannis 9.85/12" and Rondo 9.5/10"
“They're the ones who can wave the ball around like a grapefruit and don't need the off hand to secure the ball.”
https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/...ive-Hand-Sizes
I was curious and looking at the measurement at the 2021 Combine, Jalen Johnson has the largest hands at 9.75/10.50 inches length/span. Likewise, Scottie Barnes 9.25/10.25 inches. While Moses Moody at his size, has 9.00/10.00 inches length/span!!!
Pos Body Fat% Hand Length (Inches) Hand Width (Inches) Heaight W/o shoes Height W/ Shoes Standing Reach Weight (Lbs) Wingspan
AJ Lawson SG-SF 4.40% 8.50 9.25 6’5.5” 6’6.75” 8’3.5” 179.2 6’6.75” Aaron Henry SF 5.60% 8.50 9.25 6’4.5” 6’6.0” 8’7.5” 209.6 6’10.75” Aaron Wiggins SG-SF 5.00% 8.75 8.50 6’4.5” 6’5.0” 8’7.0” 190.0 6’9.75” Ariel Hukporti C 8.10% 9.50 9.50 6’10.75” 7’0.0” 9’3.5” 246.0 7’2.5” Austin Reaves SG 11.00% 8.00 8.25 6’4.5” 6’5.75” 8’5.0” 197.2 6’6.25” Ayo Dosunmu SG 4.90% 8.50 8.75 6’3.5” 6’5.0” 8’0.5” 194.4 6’10.25” BJ Boston Jr. SF 6.00% 9.00 9.75 6’5.75” 6’7.0” 8’8.0” 188.0 6’10.75” Cade Cunningham PG -% – – – Cameron Thomas SG -% – – – Carlik Jones PG 4.50% 8.25 9.00 6’0.0” 6’1.0” 8’1.5” 173.6 6’5.0” Charles Bassey C 5.90% 9.00 9.50 6’9.25” 6’10.25” 8’11.5” 230.2 7’3.0” Corey Kispert SF 6.80% 8.75 10.00 6’6.0” 6’7.25” 8’6.0” 223.8 6’7.0” DJ Steward PG 5.00% 8.50 9.00 6’0.75” 6’1.75” 8’2.5” 162.2 6’7.0” Daishen Nix PG 11.80% 8.50 9.00 6’3.0” 6’4.25” 8’4.0” 225.6 6’6.75” David Duke Jr. SG 5.90% 8.50 9.00 6’4.25” 6’5.5” 8’6.5” 203.6 6’8.75” David Johnson SG 7.50% 8.25 8.50 6’3.25” 6’4.75” 8’8.0” 202.8 6’10.5” Davion Mitc PG 6.20% 8.25 8.75 6’0.0” 6’1.25” 8’0.5” 202.4 6’4.25” Day'Ron Sharpe C -% – – – Duane Washington Jr. Jr. SG 5.10% 8.25 8.75 6’2.25” 6’3.75” 8’5.0” 196.8 6’7.75” Evan Mobley PF -% – – – Greg Brown III PF 5.50% 9.00 9.75 6’7.25” 6’8.5” 8’11.0” 206.4 7’0.25” Herbert Jones SF 5.80% 8.50 9.00 6’6.0” 6’7.25” 8’10.0” 206.4 7’0.25” Isaiah Jackson C -% – – – Isaiah Livers SF 9.40% 9.00 9.50 6’5.75” 6’7.25” 8’8.5” 231.8 6’9.25” Isaiah Mobley PF 12.90% 9.00 10.00 6’8.0” 6’9.75” 8’11.5” 238.0 7’3.0” Isaiah Todd PF 6.20% 9.00 9.75 6’8.75” 6’10.0” 8’11.5” 219.0 7’1.25” JT Thor PF 6.10% 9.25 9.50 6’8.5” 6’9.25” 9’2.0” 203.0 7’3.25” Jaden Springer SG 6.30% 8.50 9.75 6’3.0” 6’4.25” 8’3.0” 202.0 6’7.75” Jalen Green SG -% – – – Jalen Johnson PF 4.50% 9.75 10.50 6’7.75” 6’9.25” 8’10.0” 209.6 7’0.25” James Bouknight SG 5.50% 8.75 9.00 6’3.5” 6’4.75” 8’5.5” 190.0 6’8.25” Jared Butler PG 5.10% 8.50 8.25 6’2.25” 6’3.75” 8’2.5” 193.0 6’4.0” Jason Preston PG 5.45% 8.50 9.25 6’3.0” 6’4.0” 8’4.5” 180.6 6’8.5” Jeremiah Robinson-Earl PF 8.90% 9.00 9.75 6’7.75” 6’9.0” 8’9.5” 242.4 6’9.75” Jericho Sims C 5.50% 9.00 9.75 6’9.0” 6’10.0” 8’10.0” 250.2 7’3.25” Joe Wieskamp SF 4.10% 8.50 9.25 6’5.75” 6’7.25” 8’7.0” 204.8 6’11.0” John Petty Jr. SG 5.60% 8.50 9.00 6’4.5” 6’5.75” 8’7.5” 186.2 6’9.5” Johnny Juzang SG 8.00% 8.50 9.50 6’5.5” 6’7.0” 8’4.5” 209.0 6’10.5” Jonathan Kuminga SF -% – – – Josh Christopher SG 5.80% 8.75 8.50 6’3.25” 6’4.5” 8’5.0” 214.8 6’9.25” Joshua Primo SG 6.30% 9.00 10.00 6’4.0” 6’5.0” 8’6.5” 189.0 6’9.25” Julian Champagnie SF 8.00% 9.00 8.50 6’6.5” 6’7.5” 8’10.5” 217.4 6’10.0” Justin Champagnie PF 6.30% 8.75 8.50 6’5.75” 6’6.75” 8’8.0” 206.4 6’9.5” Kai Jones PF 4.70% 9.00 9.50 6’10.0” 6’11.5” 9’2.5” 221.4 7’1.75” Keon Johnson SG 4.40% 8.50 9.00 6’3.5” 6’4.75” 8’1.0” 184.8 6’7.25” Kessler Edwards PF 4.30% 8.50 8.25 6’7.0” 6’8.0” 8’10.0” 203.0 6’11.25” Luka Garza C 11.70% 9.00 9.25 6’10.0” 6’11.25” 8’11.5” 242.8 7’1.5” Makur Maker C 14.50% 8.75 9.50 6’10.25” 6’11.25” 9’4.0” 232.2 7’1.75” Marcus Bagley SF 7.50% 8.75 8.50 6’6.0” 6’7.75” 8’6.5” 216.8 6’11.0” Marcus Zegarowski PG 7.20% 8.00 9.50 6’0.75” 6’2.0” 8’0.0” 180.8 6’2.75” [Player: Matthew Hurt PF 15.20% 9.00 9.00 6’8.5” 6’9.5” 8’10.5” 232.4 6’9.5” Matthew Mayer PF -% – – – Max Abmas PG 5.50% 8.00 7.75 5’10.5” 5’11.75” 7’10.0” 161.8 6’1.75” McKinley Wright IV PG 6.70% 8.50 9.00 5’11.25” 6’0.25” 7’10.0” 192.2 6’5.25” Miles McBride PG 6.00% 9.00 9.50 6’1.0” 6’2.5” 8’3.5” 195.2 6’8.75” Moses Moody SG 6.80% 9.00 10.00 6’4.5” 6’6.0” 8’9.0” 210.6 7’0.75” Moses Wright PF 5.60% 9.00 9.50 6’7.75” 6’9.0” 8’11.0” 225.8 7’0.75” Nah'Shon Hyland SG 5.80% 8.75 9.00 6’2.0” 6’3.5” 8’5.5” 169.0 6’9.25” Neemias Queta C 7.60% 9.25 10.50 6’11.25” 7’0.5” 9’4.5” 248.4 7’4.0” Ochai Agbaji SG 4.15% 9.00 8.75 6’4.5” 6’5.5” 8’7.5” 214.4 6’10.0” [Player: Quentin Grimes SG 6.60% 8.50 10.00 6’4.0” 6’5.25” 8’5.0” 209.8 6’8.0” Raiquan Gray PF 17.30% 9.25 9.00 6’6.5” 6’7.75” 8’9.0” 268.6 6’10.75” Roko Prkacin PF 7.00% 8.75 9.25 6’7.5” 6’9.25” 8’11.0” 225.4 6’11.0” Sam Hauser SF 7.90% 8.25 9.00 6’6.75” 6’8.0” 8’6.0” 217.4 6’9.25” Sandro Mamukelashvili C 7.80% 9.00 9.50 6’9.0” 6’10.0” 8’10.5” 239.8 7’1.25” Scottie Barnes SF 5.30% 9.25 10.25 6’7.0” 6’8.0” 9’0.0” 225.4 7’2.75” Scottie Lewis SF 4.70% 8.75 9.75 6’4.0” 6’5.25” 8’5.5” 187.6 7’0.0” Sharife Cooper PG -% – – – Terrence Shannon Jr. SF 6.70% 8.00 8.00 6’5.5” 6’6.5” 8’4.0” 206.6 6’8.25” Tre Mann PG 4.10% 8.00 9.00 6’3.25” 6’4.25” 8’2.5” 177.6 6’4.0” Trendon Watford PF 10.10% 9.50 9.50 6’7.5” 6’8.75” 8’9.0” 237.4 7’2.25” Trey Murphy III SF 8.10% 8.50 9.00 6’7.5” 6’9.25” 8’9.5” 206.0 7’0.0” Yves Pons PF 4.00% 9.00 9.25 6’5.5” 6’6.75” 8’8.0” 206.4 7’0.75” Ziaire Williams SF 4.40% 9.00 8.75 6’8.25” 6’9.75” 8’10.5” 188.4 6’10.25”
Last edited by John B; 07-01-2021 at 06:42 AM.
Basketballinsiders site has a list of the 12th pick in previous drafts and it's appalling for anyone hoping history provides a great player at that slot.
Steven Adams may be the best out of the entire bunch since the mid-late 80's.
Granted the last three guys - Halliburton, PJ, and Bridges, can pan out big so may that trend continue.
If Franz Wagner is available at 12, I’m almost certain the Spurs will get him, assuming nobody from the top 6 drops. He fills a need and just feels like your prototypical Spurs player.
Mock City:
- Deviate a bit from the consensus on some prospects.
- Thinking long term here. Tend to favor potential, versatility, youth and flashes of star potential over solid NBA - ready contributors/translations as believe you should being in the lottery.
eg. Corey Kispert, Cameron Thomas could easily outperform their mock positions by 10 or so spots initially but maybe not in 4 years...
- Cade Cunningham
- Evan Mobley
- Jalen Suggs
- Jalen Green
- Jonathon Kuminga
- Scottie Barnes
- Kai Jones
- Jaden Springer
- JT Thor
- Usman Garuba
- Alpernen Sengun
- Josh Giddey
- Ziaire Williams
- James Bouknight
- Moses Moody
- Sharife Cooper
- Keon Johnson
- Tre Mann
- Franz Wagner
- Davion Mitc
- Trey Murphy
- Chris Duarte
- 'Bones' Hyland
- Jalen Johnson
- Corey Kispert
- Isaiah Jackson
- Josh Christopher
- Cameron Thomas
- Roko Prkacin
- Josh Primo
This is a big deal. Not versatile enough to guard other positions. Carlik and Steward are 6’1/6’2 point guards.
Pretty popular opinion on Reddit that his standing reach was inaccurate which made his vertical numbers seem a bit higher. Another example of inaccurate standing reach, Ayo Dosunmu is 6'5 with a wingspan of 6'10.25" but an 8'0.5" reach, I don’t believe that’s possible.
Maybe tanked his standing reach to go for that record vert. Heard standing reach is more relevant for rim protectors. Bad but not a big deal.
the people handling these measurements need to be fired.
”YOU HAD ONE JOB!!!”
Not going to lie…. There isn’t only player that I would be disappointed if we drafted, however I’m intrigued by some prospects that ST seems out on lol I keep going back and watching film on Jalen Johnson and Ziaire Williams and they have so much untapped potential imo.
I really like josh giddey but just don’t see the need in getting him unless white or Murray is traded. Assuming those trades don’t happen, I’m hoping moody or Wagner is available at 12. Would love to add a later pick and get Duarte.
dream scenario for me would be getting moody/Wagner at 12 and also get Duarte. Wonder if Walker and/or Luka could get us a pick in the 16-21 range to get Duarte. Okc and NY both have 2 picks in that range.
It goes against the grain here but, I do think LW could get you a pick in that range.
I’d be disappointed if Jalen’s available and the Spurs didn’t pick him. His hands are almost as big as Nephew’s
Somebody else could be managing his social media for him. Its a good observation but not unheard of that a sister (Kawhi’s sister did this for him, for what little social media presence he had) or a close friend does this for a player who would rather not spend time on things like this.
Definite red flag. Patty Mills size like.
Interesting. Does your research suggest one of them has character issues?
It’s not accurate, quite a few basketball players “cheat” on their standing reach to inflate their vertical jump. Pat Connaughton did this when he was going through the combine. Not saying Keon has an above average standing reach or anything but he’s at least average.
Which is why I think we should tamper any dreams Samanic will be a star unless he becomes Hedo Torkuglu like on the outside. His small hands make his moves longer and harder to gather, especially in the paint where he seems to keep the ball so low on his finishes. He measured 8.5 length and 9.0 width. Hands of a SG really. https://www.nbadraft.net/2019-nba-dr...-measurements/
Gauging prospect upside based on hand size is as ridiculous as it gets.
this is the hardest face palm I’ve ever done on my face. Jesus
Oh he small hands he no good
is this real life
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