The reason you are not seeing many is because very few channels show lowlights. Springer missed a lot of his mid range shots, and only made very few (ironic since it’s the shot he liked most). Not many videos will capture that.
Idk if I’m just not paying attention but you know what prospect I haven’t heard a peep about is Jonathan Kuminga lol I know he’s projected as a top 6 pick but I haven’t seen anything about him online, y’all think there’s a chance he could fall a couple of spots in the draft and the spurs trade up to grab him?
Oh wow. Bleach his hair and you have Perfect Tommy from Buckaroo Banzai!
I'm not a fan of Springer and I don't see his value on the spurs.
Imo he's a good defender but we already have two good defensive guards in murray and white. Plus his offense near the basket is not what the spurs need actually.
If i take a guard i will go with the instant offense of bouknight or maybe the ceilling of K Johnson.
This is getting kinda funny, but looking at this video and three other highlight compilations, plus highlights from eight games, I'm not seeing Springer shoot any mid range shots! Is the entire scouting world trolling me?
I feel like I've now easily seen 100-150 FGA from Springer (he attempted 227 total on the season) and maybe three or four were mid range shots, but one of those was a three point attempt that he made with his toe on the line! From what I've seen he takes almost exclusively shots in the paint and three pointers, and avoids traditional mid range shots like the plague. I'm just not seeing this old school throw back mid range guy that reports are referring to at all.Nah, no trolling. He definitely takes mid range shots, I would say it's his bread and butter.
From the Stepien scouting report:
https://www.thestepien.com/2021/05/1...outing-report/
Offense
A lot of optimism for the development of Jaden Springer’s offensive game stems from his age. Springer will still be 18 years old when he is inevitably drafted at the end of July. His September 2002 birthday makes him a full year younger than fellow top freshmen Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, and Jalen Suggs. This age gap makes it even more impressive that Springer was able to lead a ranked Volunteers team with 19.3 points and 4.5 assists per 40 minutes.
Shooting:
Closer to a fine shooter than a good one at this point early in his career. Shot a respectable 81% from the free throw line to go with 43.5% from the three point line on just 2.8 attempts per 40 minutes during his freshman year at Tennessee. Low volume three point shooter especially early in the season. Didn’t attempt 4 three pointers in a game until his 15th game of the season, a February 6th win against Kentucky. Has a relatively long release which will need to be sped up a bit, but his high release point should allow him to get shots up against NBA length. He turned down a few too many open catch and shoot 3’s. Comfortable shooting off the dribble in the midrange despite a low percentage from that area in college. A low hanging fruit in his shooting development would be trading in those off the dribble 2’s for more efficient 3’s. The third shot below gives confidence that he will be able to make that step as he gets older and stronger despite his legs flaring out a bit at the end of the shot.
And compared to say James Bouknight:
https://rollcallsportsnet.com/james-...outing-report/
Synergy Offensive Profile
The big thing between the two for me, is shot discretion:
C&S Half Court -
Bouknight shoots 75.7 % of his catch and shoot jumpers in the half court contested (!).
Jaden Springer shoots 64.3% of his catch and shoot jumpers in the half court uncontested.
Sounds like you’re referring to Springer. I think that’s a legitimate concern but perhaps overstating things. What I see is a power guard who can’t be moved on defense, and who is very good scoring at the rim using his impressive strength, as an 18 year old who should just be finishing high school. Sign me up. Sounds like a Keldon in that specific regard and fans love that. Springer is a good 3 point shooter but prefers to use his strength closer to the rim, some of which may have been Barnes’ odd preference as Keon had a similar issue. I think it’s going to be way easier to get Springer to increase his three attempts then, say, get Lonnie to seek out contact. In that sense he’s a different type of player than what we have.
My concern is that he jumps off two feet too much which limits his ability to dance around the rim and eurostep et cetera.
I googled Jaden Springer mid range and found this video. It’s hilarious in a good way. The video calls him a mid range maestro or something like that, but the actual highlights show just as many 3s as shots in the paint. Are people calling a jump shot in the paint as mid range? I see a three level scorer in this video that ironically tries to highlight his archaic mid range game.
https://youtu.be/SpUsTndw0xk
There's a decent amount of chatter around Kuminga, although more attention is being paid to the 2-4 picks, Green/Mobley sorts of stuff. There's a question for some whether Scottie Barnes goes before Kuminga.
For me, I have big questions about those G-League guys, guys who didn't want to play college. I have issues with the NCAA, but the G-League? There's not a single game that matters in the G-League, not like in-Conference games or the Tournament. Plus they're allowed to just do whatever the they want on the court. They aren't coached to be coachable, etc. To me, basically, you get Brandon Jennings again. Or Jonathan Wiseman, in a different vein. Players who have no clue how to get better, grind out wins, or play in a team. I think the bust potential is very high.
I just watched that one a few hours ago, and yeah-- Springer does like that shot from the elbow, or a few feet inside the elbow. But shots between 16' and 20'? Almost nonexistent.
Is That Pop In The Background?Oh wow. Bleach his hair and you have Perfect Tommy from Buckaroo Banzai!
The category of jump shot labeled Short (<17') is interesting, because it bundles shots that are pretty different... but now that I've watched literally every single shot that Springer took last year (
From the Stepien scouting report:
https://www.thestepien.com/2021/05/1...outing-report/
Offense
A lot of optimism for the development of Jaden Springer’s offensive game stems from his age. Springer will still be 18 years old when he is inevitably drafted at the end of July. His September 2002 birthday makes him a full year younger than fellow top freshmen Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, and Jalen Suggs. This age gap makes it even more impressive that Springer was able to lead a ranked Volunteers team with 19.3 points and 4.5 assists per 40 minutes.
And compared to say James Bouknight:
https://rollcallsportsnet.com/james-...outing-report/
Synergy Offensive Profile
The big thing between the two for me, is shot discretion:
C&S Half Court -
Bouknight shoots 75.7 % of his catch and shoot jumpers in the half court contested (!).
Jaden Springer shoots 64.3% of his catch and shoot jumpers in the half court uncontested.
Last edited by R. DeMurre; 07-06-2021 at 08:27 PM.
I don't know why shots between 16' and 20' are being highlighted when the area between 5' to 16' is basically the DeMar area. They're all the same type of shots and Springer doesn't shoot them well enough with any kind of consistency.
This falls in line with my *could be* statement. He *could* increase his three point attempts. Whether one believes it or doesn't believe it, it's obvious most of Springer's fans think it's easily done and well... I don't think it's that realistic at all.
I don't know what good a guard who scores well at the rim would help this team in any way. That is far and away one of the team's lesser concerns. If you told me he had Dwyane Wade type athleticism and hang-time, I say go for it. But the guy is an undersized wing who isn't going to feast in the NBA just by being "strong"... he's nowhere near Baron Davis strong. He's not even explosive where he can blow by his man consistently.
Springer doesn't move the Spurs forward to the "modern era" most people have been clamoring for.
Last edited by Dejounte; 07-06-2021 at 09:29 PM.
A sample of Moody's accomplishments:
Prep honors:Moody began playing high school basketball for Parkview Arts and Science Magnet High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, where he helped his team reach the state championship game in his freshman season.[1] As a sop re, he moved to North Little Rock High School in North Little Rock, Arkansas. Moody averaged 18.6 points, 7.2 rebounds, 3.1 assists, 2.1 steals and 1.4 blocks per game, leading his team to the Class 7A state le.[2] He was named to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette All-Underclassman Team and the Arkansas 7A All-State Team.[3] For his junior year, Moody transferred to Montverde Academy in Montverde, Florida. He averaged 17.7 points, 3.9 rebounds, 1.5 assists and 1.6 steals per game for Bradley Beal Elite at the Nike Elite Youth Basketball League (EYBL) regular season and was named to the All-EYBL honorable mention.[4] In his senior season, Moody averaged 11.6 points 3.3 rebounds and 1.8 assists per game for Montverde, the consensus number one team in the nation, who he helped achieve a 25–0 regular season record
- Moody is the third Razorback to be tabbed AP SEC Newcomer of the Year, joining Patrick Beverley (2007) and Joe Johnson (2000).
- Moody is the ninth Razorback (11 total honors) to be a consensus first team All-SEC pick. (Scotty Thurman and Corliss Williamson were two-time, consensus first team All-SEC. This is the third straight year Arkansas has produced a consensus first team All-SEC selection.)
- Moody is the first Razorback freshman to be named AP first team All-SEC.
- Moody earns the 13th AP first-team All-SEC honor by a Razorback.
- Ranks third in the SEC in scoring and third among NCAA freshmen in scoring (17.5 ppg)
- 1 of 3 freshmen in the NCAA to average at least 15.0 points and 5.0 rebounds
- 1 of 2 SEC players – the only freshman – to average 16.0 points and 5.5 rebounds
- 1 of 3 SEC players – the only freshman – to rank among the league’s top 20 in scoring, rebounding, field goal percentage, free throw percentage and 3-point percentage
- 1 of 4 SEC players – the only freshman – to shot at least 42 percent from the field, 35 percent from 3-point range and 80 percent from the free throw line
- Ranks eighth in the NCAA in free throws made while setting an Arkansas freshman record for free throws made despite a pandemic-shortened season
^ Second team All-American (Andy Katz NCAA March Madness)
^ Honorable mention All-American (AP)
^ Kyle Macy National Freshman of the Year Finalist
^ USBWA All-District VII
^ NABC first team All-District 20
^ SEC Freshman of the Year (Coaches)
^ SEC Newcomer of the Year (AP)
^ First team All-SEC (Coaches)
^ First team All-SEC (AP)
^ First team All-SEC (USA TODAY Sports Network)
^ SEC All-Freshman Team
^ 3x SEC Freshman of the Week
^ SEC Men’s Basketball Community Service Team
Sharife Cooper
A sample of Sharife's accomplishments
In his freshman season in 2016–17, Cooper averaged 16 points and 4.4 assists per game, leading McEachern High School in Powder Springs, Georgia to a 29–1 record and an appearance in the Georgia High School Association (GHSA) Class 7A state semifinals. The following year, he led the Indians to a state quarterfinals appearance while posting a 26–3 record.[1] He received considerable media attention in December 2017 for his 42-point performance against Jahvon Quinerly and nationally ranked Hudson Catholic Regional High School in the quarterfinals of the City of Palms Classic. He scored the game-winning buzzer-beater in an 83–81 overtime victory.[1][2][3]
As a junior in 2018–19, Cooper led McEachern to a perfect 32–0 record and the first state le in school history while averaging 27.2 points, 8.1 assists, 5.6 rebounds and 4.3 steals per game. In the le-game win over Meadowcreek, he scored 20 points and dished four assists as McEachern finished ranked No. 1 in three national polls.[4] He picked up most valuable player (MVP) honors at several tournaments, including the City of Palms Classic and Tournament of Champions.[5] After the season, he was named USA Today All-USA Player of the Year, MaxPreps National Player of the Year, Mr. Georgia Basketball, and Georgia's Gatorade Player of the Year.[6][7][8][9] He also earned USA Today All-USA first team and Naismith All-American second team honors.[10] Cooper was selected to play in the 2020 McDonald's All-American Boys Game on January 23, 2020.[11] On May 6, 2021, Cooper's #2 high school jersey number was retired at McEachern where he was honored as the most decorated male basketball player in school history
Consensus 5-star and top-20 prospect … highest rated signee in program history, according to 247Sports … ranked as the 19th player in the country by 247Sports and ESPN and 20th by Rivals … tabbed as the No. 2 player in the state of Georgia by 247Sports and ESPN … labeled as the No. 3 point guard nationally by 247Sports and the No. 5 floor general in the country by Rivals and ESPN … became the third McDonald’s All-American signee in program history, joining Frank Ford (1983) and Korvotney Barber (2005) … tabbed a Sports Illustrated First Team All-American following his senior season … also was a Third Team Naismith All-American … played at McEachern High School … averaged 30.6 points, 7.8 assists and 3.6 steals per game as a senior … became McEachern High School’s all-time leader scorer, eclipsing 2,000 career points on senior night … guided team to second straight state Final Four … voted First Team All-Metro … as a junior, averaged 28.6 points, 8.7 assists, 6.0 rebounds and 4.1 steals per game … named the 2018-19 USA Today National Player of the Year after leading McEachern to a 32-0 record and a state le his junior year … was also named MaxPreps Basketball Player of the Year and Georgia Gatorade Player of the Year … took part in the 2019 USA Basketball Men's Junior National Team July minicamp … on the AAU circuit, played for Athletes of Tomorrow … named the Offensive Player of the Year in the Nike EYBL … averaged 25.3 points, 8.6 assists and 4.9 rebounds per game in Nike EYBL.
Named to the SEC All-Freshman Team … selected to the NABC All-District 20 Second Team … averaged 20.2 points, 8.1 assists, 4.3 rebounds and 1.0 steals in 33.0 minutes per game … played in and started 12 games … shot 39.1 percent from the floor and 82.5 percent from the charity stripe … became one of only three players since 2010 to average 20 points, eight assists and four rebounds per game (Ja Morant, Murray State, 2018-19 and Kay Felder, Oakland, 2015-16) … scored or assisted on 471 of Auburn’s 996 points (47.2 percent) when in the lineup … despite only playing in 12 games, his 97 total assists finished eighth overall in the SEC and first among freshmen … assist total was good for 15th nationally among all freshmen … was one of only three freshmen nationally to score 25 or more points at least five times during the season … joined the likes of Eric Gordon (Indiana), Tajuan Porter (Oregon), Kris Humphries (Minnesota) and Carmelo Anthony (Syracuse) as only major conference players with three 25-point games in their first four career games … only Michael Beasley (Kansas State) had more (four) … made Auburn debut against Alabama (Jan. 9) and finished with 26 points, nine assists, four rebounds and three steals in 33 minutes … with 26 points, tied Eddie Johnson for the most points scored by a freshman in his first game in program history … posted career-high 28 points in second career game at Georgia (Jan. 13) … dished out 12 or more assists three times, including a career-high 14 assists against Ole Miss (Feb. 6) … 14 assists were the most by an SEC player in a game during the season and second most in a game by a freshman … first Auburn player with a points-assists double-double since Jared Harper vs. Murray State (Dec. 22, 2018) … only player in the country with multiple games of 15 points, 12 assists and five rebounds during 2020-21 campaign … broke Auburn record for free throws in a game with 18 (18 of 21) against Missouri (Jan. 26) … named SEC Freshman of the Week on Jan. 11 … declared for the NBA Draft with the intention to sign with an agent on April 2 ... became the second one-and-done in program history (Isaac Okoro).
A sample of Cameron Thomas' accomplishments:
All-SEC First Team, 2021As a freshman, Thomas began playing basketball for Oscar F. Smith High School in Chesapeake, Virginia.[1] He did not play in his sop re season because he and his mother "weren't on the same page" as the team's coaching staff.[2] For his junior season, he transferred to Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson, Virginia, where he joined Cole Anthony and Kofi burn in one of the most touted teams in the country.[3] Thomas averaged a team-high 26.2 points, 3.8 rebounds and 3.4 assists per game, leading his team to a 31–5 record.[4][5] In July 2019, he was named Offensive Player in the Year in the Nike Elite Youth Basketball League after averaging a league-best 29.5 points per game for Boo Williams.[6] As a senior at Oak Hill, Thomas averaged 31.5 points, six rebounds and 3.4 assists per game, leaving as the program's all-time leading scorer.[7] Thomas posted 30-plus points in nine games, including two 40-point performances.[8] He led his team to the Tournament of Champions le, where he was named most valuable player.[9] Thomas was selected to play in the Jordan Brand Classic.
All-SEC Freshman Team, 2021
SEC All-Tournament Team, 2021
USA Today SEC Newcomer of the Year, 2021
USA Today Second Team A-A, 2021
AP Honorable Mention A-A, 2021
CollegeInsider.com Kyle Macy Freshman All-America, 2021
All-Louisiana First Team, 2021
Louisiana Player of the Year, 2021
Louisiana Freshman of the Year, 2021
Consensus five-star athlete, ranked No. 23 in the ESPN 100, 23 in the 247sports.com rankings and 25 by Rivals.com … Ranked No. 5 in the position nationally by ESPN … Played three-years of high school, playing his freshman season at Oscar Smith HS in Chesapeake, Virginia … For his junior season, transferred to Oak Hill Academy where Thomas averaged a team-best 26.2 points, 3.8 rebounds and 3.4 assists … The team posted a 31-5 record … As a senior at Oak Hill for Coach Steve Smith, Thomas averaged 31.5 points, six rebounds and 3.4 assists per game, finishing his two years there as the program’s all-time leading scorer (2,219) … Led the 2019 NIKE EYBL circuit, averaging 29.5 points earning POY … In the Boo Williams spring and summer program averaged 28.9 points a game and was number one in the league in field goals and free throws made … Selected to the 2020 Jordan Brand Classic … Posted 3.0 GPA club in high school … Won a total of nine championships in high school and summer ball … Named Chesapeake, Virginia Male Athlete of the Year as a freshman (2017), Hampton Roads leading scorer as a freshman … Nike Peach Jam leading scorer and first team Peach Jam … Co-Player of the Year (2020) in the Allen Iverson Classic … MVP of three other Classics … Career high of 51 points and 15 rebounds.
IMHO this draft comes down to one simple question: which player available at 12 has the highest ceiling?
I see posters on here looking at the most NBA ready or the best 3-point shooter, but all that equals is another role player and we have enough of those.
Championships are won with all star caliber players and we need a home run plain and simple. Miss big or hit big, but we can't keep collecting role players (KJ being the possible exception)
A sample of some of Scottie Barnes' accomplishments:
2020-21 Preseason Naismith Award Player of the Year Watch ListAs a freshman, Barnes played basketball for Cardinal Newman High School in West Palm Beach, Florida. He earned All-Area second team and MaxPreps Freshman All-American honors after leading Newman to a 19–8 record and the 5A regional semifinals.[1] After the season, Barnes transferred to NSU University School in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, where he was teammates with Vernon Carey Jr., the nation's highest-ranked junior.[2]As a sop re, he helped his team to a 36–2 record and its first-ever Class 5A state le.[3] Barnes led University School to a City of Palms Classic championship and was named tournament most valuable player (MVP) after posting 15 points and eight rebounds in the final versus top-ranked East High School.[4] At GEICO Nationals, he averaged 21.3 points and 9.7 rebounds per game as University School finished as runners-up.[5] In his junior season, Barnes averaged 13.1 points, seven rebounds and 4.8 assists per game, leading his team to a 27–5 record and a second straight 5A state le.[6]
On August 5, 2019, he announced that he was moving to Montverde Academy in Montverde, Florida, joining top recruits Cade Cunningham and Day'Ron Sharpe, for his senior season.[7] Many analysts regarded his team as one of the greatest in high school basketball history.[8] Barnes averaged 11.6 points, 6.5 rebounds and 4.6 assists per game, helping Montverde to a 25–0 record with an average margin of victory of 39 points.[9][10] He received All-American first team honors from MaxPreps and Sports Illustrated.[10][11] Barnes was selected to play in the McDonald's All-American Game, Jordan Brand Classic and Nike Hoop Summit, but all three games were canceled due to the COVID-19 pandemic.[12]
2020-21 Preseason Wooden Award Player of the Year Watch List
2020-21 Preseason All-American Third Team (CBS Sports)
2020-21 Preseason All-ACC First Team (CBS Sports)
2020-21 Bob Cousy Award Watch List (National Point Guard of the Year)
2020-21 Preseason ACC Freshman of the Year (ACC Operation Basketball)
2020-21 Preseason All-ACC First Team (ACC Operation Basketball)
ACC Rookie of the Week (December 14, 2020; Indiana and Florida games)
ACC Rookie of the Week (February 15, 2021; Wake Forest game)
2020-21 Wooden Award Midseason Top 25 Watch List (January 6, 2021)
2020-21 Bob Cousy Award Top-10 (January 25, 2021)
2020-21 Lute Olson Award Midseason Watch List (January 25, 2021)
2021 All-ACC Third Team (ACC Coaches and Media)
2021 All-ACC Freshman Team (ACC Coaches and Media)
2021 ACC Freshman of the Year (ACC Coaches and Media)
2021 ACC Sixth Man of the Yaer (ACC Coaches and Media)
2021 All-ACC Tournament Second Team
2021 All-American Honorable Mention (Associated Press)
Graduated from Montverde Academy in 2020…averaged 11.6 points, 6.5 rebounds and 4.6 assists in helping Montverde to a 25-0 record…the Eagles earned an average margin of victory of 39 points per game…earned All-American First Team honors from both MaxPreps and Sports Illustrated…a finalist as the MaxPreps National Player of the Year…selected to play in the McDonald’s All-American game, the Jordan Brand Classic and the Nike Hoop Summit…led Montverde to victories over seven nationally ranked opponents during the season – No. 5 DeMatha (Hyattsville, Md.), No. 10 Long Island Lutheran (Brookville, N.Y.), No. 12 Scotlandville (Baton Rouge, La.), No. 19 IMG Academy (Bradenton, Fla.) (three times) and No. 20 Duncanville (Texas)…the Eagles captured championship les at the City of Palms Classic, John Wall Holiday Invitational, Montverde Academy Invitational and the St. James Invitational…totaled 16 points, five rebounds and five assists in a 76-64 victory over IMG Academy as a senior.
Attended University School in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla., as a sop re in 2018 and as a junior in 2019…led the Sharks to a 63-7 overall record, two Class 5A Championships and two appearances in the Geico National Championship game in his two seasons at the University School…played with Duke star Vernon Carey as a sop re and a junior at the University School…averaged 14.5 points, 7.4 rebounds and 5.8 assists as he led University School to a 27-5 overall record, a second consecutive 5A State Championship and a second consecutive appearance in the Geico High School National Championship game where the Sharks fell to Montverde Academy in the championship game during his junior season…the University School closed the season ranked No. 2 nationally in the USA Today Super 25 final rankings…led the University School to the championship and was named the Most Valuable Player of the City of Palms tournament as a sop re…scored 10 points and grabbed 10 rebounds in an 81-45 victory against Sanford School in the 2019 City of Palms…led the Sharks to a 36-2 record, the Florida Class 5A State le and to the championship game of the Geico High School National Championship tournament in 2018…averaged 21.3 points and 9.7 rebounds in the three-game national championship tournament as University School fell to Montverde Academy in the championship game as a sop re…the 5A State Championship victory was the first in school history…totaled 15 points and eight rebounds in the championship game of the City of Palms Classic against East High School from Memphis in 2017…totaled a triple-double of 13 points, 10 rebounds and 10 assists in the opening game of the 2018 City of Palms Classic against Vashon High School from Missouri.
Question for those more in the know.
Does a guy like Filip Petrusev from Gonzaga/Europe make sense in the 2nd round? 6'-11" and 225, he looks like a stretch 4. 46% from 3 on about 3 attempts per game (not a very big sample size I know), looks like he has decent footwork around the basket, some nice spin moves in the post and is active on the boards. A bit older at 21, but seems like a stretch 4 option in the 2nd, a type of player the Spurs currently lack.
I may be all wet and was curious on others thoughts.
This pick would only be made if the Spurs go wing in the first obviously. Moody is my current favorite along with Duarte.
Last question, JT Thor. Im interested in him, but literally have no idea where he is gonna land in the draft. Anyone else like him and any idea where he goes? Seems like a guy that is gaining momentum as the draft gets closer.
Thanks in advance.
Sad. CBS NBA Draft Big Board after the combine. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/
Yuck,as long as spurs dont reach on duarte im good
You seem convinced Springer has issues. Are you taking this as a slight against your preference of Duarte? I’m trying to follow your insistence here.
You don’t think one of the youngest players in the draft has the ability to make adjustments to his game in general? UT fans were upset that Barnes was pushing his preferred style of mid range play onto the team.
He’s a guard. How are you considering him a wing now?
A guard who scores well at the rim has nothing to offer the team? 3s and layups are the modern game. I don’t see how scoring well at the rim is not useful, particularly on an offensively challenged team.
I think we’ll have to disagree and move on to other discussions.
In literally the last Springer video a page ago, Phantom posted a video on Springer with the commentator calling him a small wing. Not my own words.
The team's issue was SPACING. How is this all of a sudden forgotten? Where do you think Poeltl will position himself when Springer is trying to make a play inside? On the perimeter? Players are already collapsing with our lack of 3 point shooters.
Being young means absolutely nothing. Players who don't change are more common than ones who do. There is way too much emphasis on the youth of a player.
Springer does have issues, and it's asinine to pretend he doesn't.
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