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How many great years do the Spurs have? Let's really be realistic here.Nope, Kaman isn't a free agentWe would be better off trying to trade for Kamen, its about just as realistic
I bet Chicago's perimeter guys would find penetrating to the basket a whole bunch of fun with two opposing interior defenders happy to leave their man at a moment's notice.
Even someone like Przybilla would be a better fit next to Chandler, I think.
Then again, thanks to the heinous contract, Chandler is supposedly available, so maybe they figure they bring in Ben and a PF and ship out Chandler somewhere.
How many great years do the Spurs have? Let's really be realistic here.Nope, Kaman isn't a free agentWe would be better off trying to trade for Kamen, its about just as realistic
I want Luis Scola in SA...but...
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I'd like Scola. But from what I read here, Scola will not get here any earlier than the year after next. Spurs may not want to wait and want to use him as trade bait.
If they can't get him over here, Spurs do have voids that they must fill and a starting center surely appears to be one of them.
I know we cant get Kamen, just like we cant get Ben. Even if the Pistons dont re sign him, some team will throw a ridicoulous amount of money at him. Bottom line we cant get him without giving up way to much
And the Spurs, if we start bringing in our young guys, have many years left of being great. Tony will be a all star for many years to come, he practically carried us all season already this year
Yeah, New Jersey had to give up so much for Vince, especially since he had all that leverage of not being able to walk away....
This team goes as far as Duncan takes them as long as Duncan takes them.
Period.
Vince wasnt wanted, they would have taken almost anything for him, Ben is a completely different story
2 seasons at his age is a serious concern. Players who aren't that old have become nonfactors in the league do to being plagued by injuries.
Wilcox ?
I think that I read here that he would be expensive, unrealistic and he doesn't play good defense very often.
People said the same thing about David untill we got Duncan. Now the shift is already happening with Tony, top 5 scorer in the paint this year, 1st time all star, improving jumpshot, only 24
It is difficult to see how anybody could really believe this.
At this point, rational argument and logic almost seems pointless.
Wake me when we win the lottery again.
Or when Parker becomes unstoppable in the playoffs.
This is not a rebuilding year.
Most people talking about Wilcox havent seen him play. He wouldnt be that expensive, would play great d next to Dunc, is 23, and last year when he got traded to the Sonics he averaged 14 and 8. Worth taking a shot on. And stop bringing up Nene, I was just using him as a example, maybe not the best example, but Im just saying youth is key
If we offer reasonable money to Wilcox, why wouldn't the Sonics match?
We wouldnt have won 50 games this year without Tony. Tim and Manu were shadows of themselves during the regular season and Tony carried us through many games. Is it that hard to believe he will be our next great player?
Tony is young, has improved his jumpshot and will probably be an all star for many years to come.
He is not now and never will be good enough to take the Spurs to the championship level like Tim Duncan did.
Even David could not do it and David is a top 50 player of all time.
Tim is in my book a top 10 player of all time. Tony Parker, as good as he is and will be, may not be a hofer. He is unlikely to make top 50.
He is not the defender Tim is. He is not the offensive player that Tim is.
He does not make everybody else around him better the way that Tim does.
as Chumpdumper said, this team goes only as far as Tim Duncan takes it and no further.
If/when Tim declines significantly (in 3 or so years), Tony will not be good enough to get us a championship by making up the difference (Tim now - Tim then > Tony now - Tony at his best ).
That's just the way that it is.
Unless you are talking about Magic or Michael, in general, a top perimeter player < top big man
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The Sonics are loaded with bigs. They spent their last two 1st round draft picks on 20 year old centers ( Swift and Petro), and have already talked about giving Collison more playing time next year. They also have Fortson, Felix and Mikki Moore. Rashard Lewis in there too. They probably will resign him,he is a restricted fa, but wont compete with a big offer. It is a pipe dream as well, but maybe
Quit adding SFs to load your argument. I've seen as many Collison trade rumors as I gave reports they'll keep him.
Fortson? Mikki Moore?
And our offer won't be big.They probably will resign him,he is a restricted fa, but wont compete with a big offer.
I know that Tony will never be a Tim or David, but no one player has ever won it by themselves and I am banking on Tony, by the time Tim is declining, agreed, 3 years or so, we will have our next great player set and whoever they are combined with a savvy vet Tony will be enough
Like I said pipe dream but more realistic than Ben. And you can call Rashard a sf all you want, but at 6-10 I also seem to remeber him guarding many a pf in the league
I don't remember Lewis guarding anyone. And it isn't more realistic than Ben. You're aiming really low if a Clipper castoff is your top choice.
I agree no one player wins it by himself, but remember how hurt David was (back in 2003) and that Manu was on the bench and Tony was a project at best. Game 6 of Finals : 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and 8 blocks.
Who can replace those numbers. If Ian could on his best day give us half those numbers I would be impressed.
Tim is a 2 time regular season MVP, a 3 time Finals MVP, an all star every year (usually first team), usually first team defense all NBA,
It's just hard to see anyone coming down who, even combined with Tony, who is an all star caliber player, will be able to bring us a championship if / when Tim's play diminishes significantly.
Besides, your argument seemed to be that Tim would pass the torch on to Tony and that Tony would be able to carry the weight in the future when Tim declines that Tim did when Tony was so much of a project / weakness.
I like Tony, but I just can't see that. Besides he needs to improve his teammates and I don't think that he does that very well yet.
I have never thought of Rashard Lewis as a defender and certainly not a pf defender. I know that he is injury prone. He certainly is not the big that we need.
At times, he can shoot the 3 well. He could post small forwards up a little.
That's about it.
All star one time?
Ill give you that one, Lewis dont do d, but the only reason Wilcox left was because he knew he would never start ahead of Brand. I know its hard to believe, but Wilcox is going to be really good. He was an 8th pick a couple years ago, and he was a key contributer on Marylands national championship team in 02 for what its worth. No one knows because he was stuck on the bench in Clipper land for 3 years
It wasn't his choice, just like it wouldn't be his choice if he stayed in Seattle.but the only reason Wilcox left was because he knew he would never start ahead of Brand.Ok, i'm convinced -- Wilcox is the -- Seattle matches our offer.I know its hard to believe, but Wilcox is going to be really good. He was an 8th pick a couple years ago, and he was a key contributer on Marylands national championship team in 02 for what its worth. No one knows because he was stuck on the bench in Clipper land for 3 years
Not trying to be difficult, here.
Just saying that we need a starting center or at least a starting big (if Tim plays center).
Ben fills that need. If we can get him. and we might as well try.
If doable, he looks better than the other names I am reading.
That's all.
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