Shams: Doug McDermott, Spurs Agree to 3-Yr, $42M Deal

[DPG21920]

There were no good FAs available this year at a high price point.

And it looks like next years Fa class is a bust too. So it’s trades and picks.

[BackHome]

Yep my dream is the Spurs getting 2022 top 3 draft pick and 2023 top 3 draft pick and get us our Batman and Robin and we good to go. Is that going to happen probably not but we definitely need to land a too 3 this next draft because they are a couple of players you can build a team around.

[rankingtear]

Furkan Korkmaz, who signed for 3 years/15mil. Younger, still improving, & fits the timeline better. Not quite the offensive player McDermott is right now, but also not the extreme defensive liability, and almost 1/3rd the salary.

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2021

They need McDermott type offensive player now to develop the guys that matter.

[tbdog]

They need McDermott type offensive player now to develop the guys that matter.

Agree. I forgotten point. Also Korkmaz didn't shoot great considering the team he was on.

[slick'81]

Spurs def got in on all the shooters they could. Dougie will be a solid addition,and gay replacement with scoring/shooting off the pine

[tbdog]

McDermott would be a a better fit while Gay is probably the better player. Perhaps not next year though. McDermott won't get his number called for those iso's that Gay got yet will still put up similar points per night.

[RC_Drunkford]

People here are stupid. Star players in the NBA make over 40 Million per year, but somehow John Collins for 28 is an overpay and McDermott and Zach Collins for 21 Million ain’t

[objective]

People here are stupid. Star players in the NBA make over 40 Million per year, but somehow John Collins for 28 is an overpay and McDermott and Zach Collins for 21 Million ain’t

Yeah, but you forgot about Bryn Forbes.

NOW compare that $25 million to John Collins $28 million.

2 of the worst defenders in the NBA and a player who in an interview said he hadn't executed the act of running in over a calendar year and still wouldn't for months.

John Collins ain't looking so hot now, is he?

[tbdog]

Collins is a really good role player. I'm not sure if he'll ever be a star or even a robin. Also I am not sure it's wise to invest in strictly on a 4 at a rookie Max.

Also it's possible that spurs spies thought Hawks will match and therefore they would have missed out.

[Chinook]

The problem is we had that and the FO did nothing. We had people making up reasons why the vets shouldn’t be traded and how it’s about culture etc.

That plan only works if the front office is capable of making moves to jump forward and this FO has not shown the ability to do so. So getting a top pick for this team is the best way and I wanted Collins badly. But they couldn’t make it happen this time.

I don't think there was a clear window that the Spurs missed that you can frame it that way. We don't know if they're a 40-win team now. They have cap flexibility and are gaining assets, but they'll need guys to develop before they're actually in that pre-Duncan mode. That was a solid playoff team that couldn't win a le. The Spurs aren't there, and they shouldn't even be expected to make the play-in with White's injury history.

We'll see. I agree that we don't know if the FO will make the necessary moves. Not signing Collins was one thing, and everyone knows that I wanted them to prune away some young players to stimulate new growth. That not happening is a bigger red flag than they not getting a big fish with their cap space.

[lefty20]

People here are stupid. Star players in the NBA make over 40 Million per year, but somehow John Collins for 28 is an overpay and McDermott and Zach Collins for 21 Million ain’t

Adding JoCo would've solidified us as a treadmill team with a 1rd exit as our ceiling. Otoh, McBuckets/ZoCo give us a shot at top 5 pick.


Tank is the way!

[Mr. Body]

People here are stupid. Star players in the NBA make over 40 Million per year, but somehow John Collins for 28 is an overpay and McDermott and Zach Collins for 21 Million ain’t

That's some mealy-mouthed . Congratulations. You have a career in politics.

[JeffDuncan]

Spotrac shows McDermott on the Spurs active roster now, if that hasn’t been mentioned already. They’re usually reliable.

In other words the McDermott signing has gotten official NBA approval it appears.

[Mr. Body]

The problem is we had that and the FO did nothing. We had people making up reasons why the vets shouldn’t be traded and how it’s about culture etc.

That plan only works if the front office is capable of making moves to jump forward and this FO has not shown the ability to do so. So getting a top pick for this team is the best way and I wanted Collins badly. But they couldn’t make it happen this time.

The FO did plenty. I've said it elsewhere, the talent on the team is already on the team. Free Agency periods only have bit players and marginal players nowadays; otherwise they get snapped up and SAS ain't a player nowadays. There are a number of young guards and wings on the team already and what they needed was to let the vets go and put shooters around them to open up the floor.

That's exactly what they did, plus potentially found the next overseas contributor in Landale. I know people their britches here about Z. Collins, but they could afford to take a healthy swing at a young big talent.

That's it. Instead of tying up loads of cash on maybe-fits and potential chemistry-wreckers, they're giving this team to Keldon, Dejounte, and everyone else. This is exactly what they should have done.

[Cardinal]

Not sure if this has been posted yet - looks like McDermott gave an interview after the signing became official. He's saying all the right things at least, talking about wanting to be in San Antonio, praising the young talent, and explaining that he's always envisioned his game fitting into a system like the Spurs' where he can move without the ball and provide space for the young creators to operate

[lmbebo]

Not sure if this has been posted yet - looks like McDermott gave an interview after the signing became official. He's saying all the right things at least, talking about wanting to be in San Antonio, praising the young talent, and explaining that he's always envisioned his game fitting into a system like the Spurs' where he can move without the ball and provide space for the young creators to operate

memorized the script ...

[Mr. Body]

Not sure if this has been posted yet - looks like McDermott gave an interview after the signing became official. He's saying all the right things at least, talking about wanting to be in San Antonio, praising the young talent, and explaining that he's always envisioned his game fitting into a system like the Spurs' where he can move without the ball and provide space for the young creators to operate

I believe when he was with Creighton in the NCAAT, they played in San Antonio and he claimed at the time the Spurs were his favorite team.

[8FOR!3]

Honestly career numbers show that we're getting as good or better shooter than championship year Marco Belinelli. McDermott is bigger and does a little more imo. If anything you can argue Belli was a slightly more aggressive shooter, but I think we will really like what McBuckets brings to the table. And we really need his shooting.

[baseline bum]

Maybe worse than treadmill, really. Signing Collins to huge money would likely mean having to get rid of good young guard talent down the line. I can't imagine spending 30 million a year or whatever for that guy.

I mean, the geniuses on this board were in love with getting Tobias Harris for ungodly money a few years ago and now Philly is desperate to get rid of him.

What good young talent? The only good young talent the team has on a rookie contract is Keldon.

[baseline bum]

The FO did plenty. I've said it elsewhere, the talent on the team is already on the team. Free Agency periods only have bit players and marginal players nowadays; otherwise they get snapped up and SAS ain't a player nowadays. There are a number of young guards and wings on the team already and what they needed was to let the vets go and put shooters around them to open up the floor.

That's exactly what they did, plus potentially found the next overseas contributor in Landale. I know people their britches here about Z. Collins, but they could afford to take a healthy swing at a young big talent.

That's it. Instead of tying up loads of cash on maybe-fits and potential chemistry-wreckers, they're giving this team to Keldon, Dejounte, and everyone else. This is exactly what they should have done.

Collins was the young big talent, not Zollins.

Zollins has never done in the NBA. Yeah I'll take Collins over McDermott + Zollins + Forbes.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'm not down on the McDermott signing. Zollins and Forbes...yes, for sure.

But I think McDermott is going to help open up the offense a lot. He moves well without the ball, finds his spots, makes pretty good heady decisions on the offensive side of the ball. Defensively, not good, but perhaps he can at least become somewhat serviceable there. He's basically making last year's Rudy Gay money, and I think he'll be a bit of a step up from what Rudy was able to bring at this point in his career. This signing didn't disappoint me. It was the Zollins and then the Forbes signing that pushed me over the edge and made me want to drive my van over a cliff. Then I remembered it's parked by the river, no cliffs to be seen, and won't start, so all was good.

[Mr. Body]

Collins was the young big talent, not Zollins.

Zollins has never done in the NBA. Yeah I'll take Collins over McDermott + Zollins + Forbes.

I understand you like pissing in your own mouth, but I won't.

[RC_Drunkford]

Collins is a really good role player. I'm not sure if he'll ever be a star or even a robin. Also I am not sure it's wise to invest in strictly on a 4 at a rookie Max.

Also it's possible that spurs spies thought Hawks will match and therefore they would have missed out.

He was obviously the 2nd best player on a Hawks team that made the ECF and went 6 games against the NBA Champs. That's enough proof of him being a Robin already and he's only 23.

[baseline bum]

I understand you like pissing in your own mouth, but I won't.

LOL you think some scrub who never did when healthy is a big talent because he was drafted #10 four years ago.

[Truckules]

One thing that I found interesting was that RAPTOR had him as a significantly worse defender last year than the 3 previous years. Some of that is probably due to playing more starter minutes and some is probably due to just how bad Nate Bjorkgren seems to be as a head coach and how bad the Pacers season went. His advanced stats definitely make me think of Beli, and that's the kind of role I think he'll have on the team.

Hopefully, he'll be good enough that Forbes never sees the floor, but I think in all likelihood they're going to play together off the bench. It'll be a worse version of the 13-14 bench with no Manu to run the show. Maybe they'd consider moving Dejounte to the bench and running something like Murray, Forbes, Vassell, McDermott, Young? It's a very undersized lineup, but it would probably be a lot of fun to watch.