Spurs and Pistons

[Darkwaters]

I heard rumors of Ben Wallace actually not resigning with the Pistons. Obviously, thats just a rumor...because I also heard that he'd fired his agent and just hired an hourly rate lawyer to negotiate his contract because he was so sure he'd be back with the Pistons.

Anybody heard anything from the grapevine.

[Darrin]

You live and learn. The decision to not double Shaq was done this year for the simple fact that it worked the previous two years. If Flip had all of a sudden came in and changed a proven method before seeing if it would work again, he would have never heard the end of it from the media if it failed.

The Pistons have never put Shaq one-on-one...until this season. Instead, they gave Shaq single coverage with 3-4 different defenders. They would rotate and change up Shaq's looks in order to keep him on his toes, and make him more tired than the Pistons' players.

Flip Saunders needs to read "Art of War." His tactics are 2-dimensional where they only work until someone figures them out.

[mike detroit]

You don't really have much of value to offer to any conversation do you?

that's pretty typical of the level of intelligent discourse from miami fans. give them a break, they're not used to even having an NBA team yet. emoticons are the limit to their language abilities. look at red lion, he can barely even form a sentence.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I heard rumors of Ben Wallace actually not resigning with the Pistons. Obviously, thats just a rumor...because I also heard that he'd fired his agent and just hired an hourly rate lawyer to negotiate his contract because he was so sure he'd be back with the Pistons.

Anybody heard anything from the grapevine.

Yeah you go it. He fired his agent like 3 months?? ago. Then hired a simple lawyer.

Since then though he hired Super Agent Arn Tellem. His involvement is somewhat of an unknown in terms of how things will play out. Expect him to shop Ben and attempt to push up the asking price.

But Ben has maintained that he wants to be a Piston.

Dumars says he's confident they'll get it done.

I expect a 3 or 4 yr deal worth 13-14 million per

[ambchang]

I agree with what you say (that Jordan needed Pippen and Wade is not Jordan good), but I would not underestimate Wade either.

Look where they were: down 0-2, down 13 in game 3 in the fourth quarter with 6 minutes 30 seconds left.

They were done and Wade raised them from the dead. He completely and utterly dominated the last 4 games of the series. That was as impressive a display over a Finals (entire series not just one game) as we have seen in this league in a long time.


His jumpshot is not going anywhere. It is solid and it's been very consistent for years and that is even more true lately. And he is an amazing athlete (e.g. that block on Josh Howard (to say nothing of his multiple blocks on Dirk)). He can get to the rim at will and he is a very good free throw shooter. All he needs is a decent center at this point and he has that in Shaq, who is surely that good even at this stage in his career.


Dallas couldn't stop him late in game 5 even with 4 defenders.

I am not saying Wade sucks, he is good, and I think he is the 2nd best perimeter player behind Kobe right now. He is an amazing player, but he getting way too much credit in the series. Mourning stepped out, Jason Williams and Gary Payton put in important contributions when it counted, Shaq, despite being over the hill, is STILL one of the top 3 big men in the game, and even Antoine Walker didn't screw up late in games. Wade had lots of help in the series, while Stackhouse, Terry, Daniels, Howard did not deliver.
No matter how good a player is, he needs his teammates to step up at crucial times.
And his jumpshot was very suspect when he first came into the league, he worked hard at it, and it's sometimes good now. He wasn't even a 3pt threat in the regular season, and then he got extremely hot, especially in the Detroit series.

[awmyplace]

The Spurs will beat the Pistons next year in the finals.

[REDLION#22]

no!!! the heat will beat the spurs in next years finals! the pistons will be lucky to get past the 1st round the only way it could happen is if the oppposing teams best player is injured.

[awmyplace]

You don't really have much of value to offer to any conversation do you?

Yes!

[awmyplace]

that's pretty typical of the level of intelligent discourse from miami fans. give them a break, they're not used to even having an NBA team yet. emoticons are the limit to their language abilities. look at red lion, he can barely even form a sentence.

Stop hating!!!You're just mad because the Miami Heat beat your Detroit Pistons.

[REDLION#22]

that's pretty typical of the level of intelligent discourse from miami fans. give them a break, they're not used to even having an NBA team yet. emoticons are the limit to their language abilities. look at redlion, he can barely even form a sentence.

well instead of critizosing why dont you actually write some inteligent thoughts yourself??? OH WAIT!!! pissed ons fans dont know much outside of det-riot basketball and the palace of the burned hills.and if you question my faith and heart i question your mind.go to the heat board and you will see we have more inteligent and loyal fans than in the pissed on board UGH!!! THOSE INSENSITIVE GHETTO,ONE-SIDED,LUCKY,OVERRATED,CRUEL,UNHEARTED,CLASSLESS,DI RTY CRIMINAL THUGS!!!

THEY DONT DESERVE A PLACE IN SPORTS...

[awmyplace]

well instead of critizosing why dont you actually write some inteligent thoughts yourself??? OH WAIT!!! pissed ons fans dont know much outside of det-riot basketball and the palace of the burned hills.and if you question my faith and heart i question your mind.go to the heat board and you will see we have more inteligent and loyal fans than in the pissed on board UGH!!! THOSE INSENSITIVE GHETTO,ONE-SIDED,LUCKY,OVERRATED,CRUEL,UNHEARTED,CLASSLESS,DI RTY CRIMINAL THUGS!!!

THEY DONT DESERVE A PLACE IN SPORTS...

Exactly!!!!

[Marklar MM]

LOL. This is funny.

[awmyplace]

LOL. This is funny.

Lol!

[REDLION#22]

funny but true

[himat]

Redellion you can't even spell right. The heat earned it this year, but if the Pistons resign Ben your team better wathc it's back. Miami is so old. Shaq had his last year of dominance.

[REDLION#22]

great now we have a grammar police

oh and about ben wallace...OMG!!!!!! youre right we must be careful!!! the guy can score 30 points just by getting to the line!!!

PUH-LISE!!!!SHAQ OWNS BIG BEN SHAQ'S POWERFUL ARMS ARE BIGGER THAN BEN WALLACE HIMSELF.

[awmyplace]

Redellion you can't even spell right. The heat earned it this year, but if the Pistons resign Ben your team better wathc it's back. Miami is so old. Shaq had his last year of dominance.

Stop hating!Shaq is better than Ben Wallace if you ask me.Miami is not old.
The Pistons is so old if you ask

[awmyplace]

Stop hating!Shaq is better than Ben Wallace if you ask me.Miami is not old.
The Pistons is so old if you ask me

[himat]

great now we have a grammar police

oh and about ben wallace...OMG!!!!!! youre right we must be careful!!! the guy can score 30 points just by getting to the line!!!

PUH-LISE!!!!SHAQ OWNS BIG BEN SHAQ'S POWERFUL ARMS ARE BIGGER THAN BEN WALLACE HIMSELF.

Think what you want bandwagoner.

[himat]

Stop hating!Shaq is better than Ben Wallace if you ask me.Miami is not old.
The Pistons is so old if you ask

Miami is very old except for Wade, Symien, and Jason Williams. Gary, Alonzo, Walker, and Shaq won't give what they gave you this year next season.

[REDLION#22]

neither will horse teeth hamilton,linsay lohan and antonio mcnugget...

[REDLION#22]

Think what you want bandwagoner.

really,thats all you have to say???

man im shocked!!!

go to www.heat.infopop.cc/groupee/

you willl see im the leader and prolly the most loyal heat fan there

[himat]

I just assumed that because you only came here after Miami won. If your one of the good posters there than you should at least know that rip isn't that old. You make it sound like the Pistons aren't anything. They were better than the Heat all year except Miami got it together on time and won. Trust me you won't cruise to the finals next year. I don't really care if you think that because it only helps. Good luck defending the championship (it's very hard) .

[REDLION#22]

The Pistons Have Never Ever Been Better Than The Heat Shutup N Listen!!!:

Last Year A Hat Team With Its Entire Starting Lineup Injured Took Your Team To 7 Games,this Year Even The Cavs Almost Exposed Your Team,then We Killed It

Its Simple

Heat>cavs<pistons

[Darrin]

well instead of critizosing why dont you actually write some inteligent thoughts yourself??? OH WAIT!!! pissed ons fans dont know much outside of det-riot basketball and the palace of the burned hills.and if you question my faith and heart i question your mind.go to the heat board and you will see we have more inteligent and loyal fans than in the pissed on board UGH!!! THOSE INSENSITIVE GHETTO,ONE-SIDED,LUCKY,OVERRATED,CRUEL,UNHEARTED,CLASSLESS,DI RTY CRIMINAL THUGS!!!

THEY DONT DESERVE A PLACE IN SPORTS...

Criticizing. Intelligent.