1:40 PM: The states were counted, but three protestors started yelling from the visitors’ gallery of the chamber. At least one of them was reciting the Cons ution as he was taken away by security.
Biden did not look thrilled.
But at the end of the day, despite the objections, Trump’s election was certified by Congress.
Insurrection!
I'm a continuismo/riot user. Putsch and revolt also work for me.
You make no distinction between renegade members of Congress objecting to EC without required backing from Senators and a coordinated pressure campaign by the White House to oveturn an election followed by a violent riot at the Capitol? The comparison doesn't work, tbh.
Last edited by Winehole23; 11-14-2021 at 01:27 PM.
Jenna Ellis's previous legal specialty was traffic court.
BTW, DMC, do you have any take at all on Trump's pressure campaign to overturn the election?
"I hope Mike Pence comes through for us," Trump said at a roaring Georgia rally on Jan. 4, a day before Republicans would also lose their Senate majority. "I have to tell you I hope that our great vice president comes through for us. He's a great guy. Of course, if he doesn't come through, I won't like him quite as much."
ing Cheetolini, disgusting piece of .
The only difference is lack of coordination.
that and the violence.
two big differences, with cons utional and criminal dimensions.
So then insurrection
Autogolpe/continuismo seems more accurate to me. Insurrection implies a level of military organization or support by subsidiary political units that wasn’t there, though there might be next time. Jan. 6th might well have been a dry run for the next cycle.
Trump’s efforts to corrupt election officials and Mike Pence, suborn the DOJ and foment a riot on Jan 6th, taken all together, amount to an attempted coup. Overturning an election is equivalent to overthrowing the legitimate government and subverting the cons ution. Merely trying to do so is approximately as bad.
Last edited by Winehole23; 11-14-2021 at 10:37 PM.
11 or 12 dems stood up and tried to stop the count. Civilians tried to disrupt the proceedings. Just like Jan 6th, the VP did not stop the count.
There's been no evidence that Trump did anything of the sort. Also, where was the military in this attempted coup?
There's clear evidence Trump tried to get others to nullify the election, if you don't see it you've not been paying attention.
The reason I prefer autogolpe to insurrection and even coup is precisely because of the lack of organized military participation, even though the end pursued is the same. There's more than one way to topple a government, not all of them require armed forces.
Everything doesn't come down to semantic disputes. A pressure campaign to corrupt public officials and the VP to throw out an election and keep the guy who lost it in power is the functional equivalent of an attempted coup.
Does that effort satisfy the dictionary definition of coup to every jot and tle? No, that's why I keep referring to continuismo and an autogolpe, but it's not like saying it was an attempted coup is some outlandish overstatement, Trump tried to nullify elections, first in big cities, then in battleground states, and then leading up to Jan 6th, to remain in power after losing on Nov. 3rd. Your semantic gripe that these actions are not 100% congruent with just one of the words I used to describe them doesn't make me an exaggerator or defeat my overall point, it's just a petty distraction. Insisting that posters hew to dictionary definitions of words is semantics and asinine when posters offer explanations and qualifications that make their meaning plain.
Also, suggesting that the panoply of actions Trump undertook to subvert the election between Nov 3rd and Jan 6th riot is equivalent to 11 incompetent menbers of Congress protesting the Electoral count in 2017 with a little bit of corroborating noise from the gallery, is forced and ignores, at a minimum, the coordination of public officials and violence waged at the US Capitol.
Last edited by Winehole23; 11-15-2021 at 12:06 PM.
What did the investigation uncover?
"topple a government"
Why do you rely so heavily on hyperbole? If you have a point, you shouldn't need it.
These are words you chose to use. Words have meanings. You cannot have it both ways to where you get the use of the term for dramatic effect then get to tone it down when called out and eventually claim semantics don't matter.
Trump was trying to stay in power.
Period.
DMC can fellate him all he wants. Changes nothing.
The people who won the election are the legitimate government. Trying to remain in power and keep the winners out would topple the elected government.What did the investigation uncover?
Why do you rely so heavily on hyperbole? If you have a point, you shouldn't need it.
You're grasping at straws, man.
Last edited by Winehole23; 11-15-2021 at 12:02 PM.
Sure I do, why can't I? You do it all the time.
CITIES WERE BURNED DOWN
Speaking of the pressure campaign to corrupt public officials, Rusty Bowers went on the record today in AZ Central (paywalled) about the phone call from Trumplandia urging him to call a special legislative session and appoint a new slate of presidential electors. Bowers felt like he was being asked to break the law and told them so.
the Jan 6th riot also served to radicalize and recruit for the future
Jan 6th was a nullification riot.
Jailed MAGA rioter seeks release because
it’s ‘not healthy’ to be ‘stuck in a bubble’ with other insurrectionists
it's "not healthy" to be "stuck in a bubble" with other insurrectionists who share his views.
Robert Gieswein is member of the Three Percenters militia group who's accused of assaulting police officers at the Capitol after traveling to Washington from Colorado "prepared for battle,"
Gieswein added that he does participate in nightly singalongs of the national anthem
that take place in the Patriot Wing — because
it helps him remember that he loves his country.
https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-rioter-jail
My favorite right wing line.
THEY'RE BURNING DOWN THE CITIESSSS!!!
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