I concur, thanks for the 2nd round details!
Barely watched him, so a genuine question for people who know better - what makes Patrick Baldwin Jr different compared to Cam Johnson as a prospect? I know he's younger and probably has better handles but from the little I've seen his upside looks worse and worse to me each time.
Not that a Cam Johnson is a bad player type in today's NBA, but a bit underwhelming for a projected high pick.
Wouldn't mind a quality Athletic PF and the next BPA with that Detroit pick. Even if it's another PF. We need solid help there and if Lonnie and Forbes are gone, we'll have room for another guard.
I'd slow my roll on Patrick Baldwin. He plays in an unimpressive Horizon League where his team is 2-5. His advanced defensive numbers are bad, although I won't put too much stock in that for a freshman. His shooting percentages are pretty bad -- FG% 36.8, FG3% 32.6.
Actually, Cam was projected late first round. When informed of his pick, one of his college teammates blurted out “ Cam was picked in the lottery?” There was some thought that Phoenix meant to draft Keldon, not Cameron. They had mistaken guys with the same last name before, asking for Marshon Brooks, then realizing they wanted Dillon Brooks from Memphis, causing the trade to fall apart at the deadline.
I remember this buzz that Spurs FO was surprised to find that Keldon was still available and apparently Suns drafted Cam Johnson, which was supposed to be Keldon then Spurs FO promptly snatched him at 29th... he was also projected as a 3&D type of player lol.... any basis on this rumor?
No, not really. Conjecture based on past last name bobbles, plus the surprise of him going 10-12 spots higher than projected. I mean, when your college teammates are surprised that you were a lottery pick…
He was a fifth year senior, and his advanced stats jumped up sharply, but, wouldn’t you expect that from like a 23 YO competing against 18 YOs? He was middle of the road defensively, and rebounded at a low rate, so you can’t give him but spot minutes at the 4. I mean, I don’t hate him, but they probably could have traded down 10 spots, gotten some assets AND Cam Johnson.
I saw a mock with us picking Murray in the 1st, Timme at the top of the 2nd, and I can't remember the other player, but I think he was a wing. I thought it was a solid draft. I know Timme absolutely raped the Longhorns earlier this season. He looked like purple and gold Pau Gasol.
How would you guys feel about drafting
1- Baldwin Jr. or Murray
2- Timme
2- Shannon Jr.
I like Baldwin Jr. in theory but so far he has looked awful (not just stats but his game overall) against compe ion that isn’t the greatest.
he would’ve most likely benefited from playing at a better school with better teammates but I respect him playing for his father.
it’s still a lot of games to go in the NCAA season so he definitely can turn things around but him along with the university of Memphis big name (Bates & Duren) recruits have really damaged their draft stock with the poor play so far.
Yeah Baldwin has been dropping pretty fast and Ivey and the kid from Arizona have both been rising very fast a lot of new mocks have us taking the kid - Bennedict Mathurin a SG/SF from Arizona who is averaging 18pts this season and has a nice outside 3 ball game
I don’t care where the Spurs land in the draft. Just get Murray
He'll need to get over himself first.
Yes I like that kid a bunch. I think he's talented enough to draft over need first. Spurs are in desperate need of a 3 first, and then a 4 and 5. But you absolutely take that kid if you can and figure out what you can get for Poeltl and KJ afterwards.
I completely disagree with you here. IMO, the biggest hole in the lineup is at 4. We have no one on the team who's got starter level skills and is physically comfortable as a 4. The next priority is a 3 (and then 5, 1 and 2 in that order).
Yeah I agree with you. Keldon and Vassell can play the 3 but they are absolutely not 4s. This draft has multiple guys who fit the mold of what we need which is a long 4 who can stretch the floor and offer some versatility on the defensive end.
There are actually three guys who fit the bill in this year's draft -- high-upside bigs who can play and defend the 4. Jabari Smith, Paolo Banchero and Chet Holmgren.
If the Spurs remain in their current position, they would seem to have a decent shot at landing one of them.
An Athletic 4 would be awesome.
It really depends on what they're likely to do with and play KJ. If they give him an extension, it's likely gonna be at the 4. They pretty much play him exclusively as a 4 and even occasionally as a small ball 5. If that's the case then you've got to have another 3 and D besides Vassell. A good caliber team needs at least 2 of those guys. That said, I completely agree KJ is NOT a 4 except for his mass. But he's clearly too slow to man up the game's better SFs. He's a 3 and 4 offensively (but not defensively). And increasingly so as his 3pt% settles in as a very efficient shooter.
I'd be comfortable with a 3, 4, or 5 probably but it really depends on their future plans for KJ. It seems they don't know how yo play him since he's a tweener.
A guy who is climbing the boards is Kendall Brown from Baylor.
An athletic wing who almost scores on dunks or layups ( only 0.8 3PA per game), a very good defender who is also a good passer.
6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan 205 lbs.
Last edited by duncan2150; 12-20-2021 at 05:42 AM.
Sounds like a perfect fit with all our other guys who can almost score.
But I hope that’s a typo.
Really want to know what people think about the fit of that kind of player in our team , long athletic wing who defends well but rarely shoots...
Imo he is a reallgy intriguing prospect who can fill the hole in that 3/4 spot but going almost in the paint is a concern,
That’s the type of player that you use a SRP on. You cannot waste a FRP on a one way player, let alone a lottery pick.
if you talk about one way on offense maybe but he will probably be a lottery pick because of his athletism, defense, passing skills...
Talking about SRP is not accurate for him imo
Last edited by duncan2150; 12-21-2021 at 08:38 PM.
If he can’t create his own shot, then it seems hard to see him going top 10, speaking in generalities. His shooting form looked ok from that one three point attempt I saw. But I could see him mid to late first round. But if a team sees an underutilized offensive game, then who knows. The details matter, as the Primo pick showed.
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