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Also since this Board is about Jock, lets keep it about jack, take the Jakob stuff to his Board.
I think Jock is more a strech 4 than strech C. He doesn't have the strength and height to hold his own against bigger centers.
The problem with Jakob, is that on a good playoff team, he's proably the 4th or 5th best player on that team. His role is to be a defensive anchor, which he does a damage good job. He's one of the best defensive C in the games, while giving us a 12/8. I can also gurantee most poster who are indenial, that Jakob, besides a handful of teams is a stater a starter on most nba a team, he might not be an all-star, what he's one of those high end staters. I bet you the lakers would gladly have him starting, the Warriors probably to, Boston would as well, and many other that are in need of what he brings.
Now, lets be clear, we not a top 4 team, at best we're looking at the 7th/8th or play in, and a team like this, Jakob probably is our 3rd best player, behind Murray and White. Potel isn't a loser, he hasn't won anything? well he plays on the Spurs, if he was on a team getting attention, he be in considereration for second all defesive team.
Also since this Board is about Jock, lets keep it about jack, take the Jakob stuff to his Board.
I think Jock is more a strech 4 than strech C. He doesn't have the strength and height to hold his own against bigger centers.
Treys were not going down last night.
But the threat still stretches the floor.
Jock is 6’11” 7’2” wingspan and 256 lbs. He’s big enough. He needs to get accustom to NBA speed and replace Jakob in the starting line-up
Agreed
How about we talk about stuff where we want since you've been here for all of 2 days, yeah?
But he doesn't play to do only so much. He plays like a ing beast. That's the point.This is the problem I see with a lot of the posters here. Just because Poodle is getting paid less doesn’t mean he should only play so much. And anything more is already beyond his salary? F%ck that argumentI get that in the office and that guy is packing his bags. “This is all that you’re paying me for.” Geez I hate people like that. I’m not saying Poodle says that, but he did hint in his interview before about getting paid less. I agree Spurs got a great deal for a starting center gig, but that’s beside the point. Play aggressive, dunk the ball, finish with contacts and hit them free throws. I wouldn’t be critical if I didn’t think he’s capable. I’m no professional, but I’ve played basketball all my life. I just don’t see Poodle giving it all, exactly like a Poodle all barks, no teeth
Well, see? That's your problem. You think Perkins is similar in talent to Poeltl.
No he doesn’t. Admit it. Everybody here, well almost everybody, says he doesn’t play physical enough. Sean is practically begging him to dunk the ballBut he doesn't play to do only so much. He plays like a ing beast. That's the point.
Well, he's the one that deserves the least blame out of everyone on the roster.
lol son, that's such bull .I also said the exact same thing that if you are going to be successful with Jak as your starter then you need better talent around him. I think Jak is a problem on the team bc he kinda makes us complacent as fans. He’s good enough to where you can see the positives in his game, but there will always be a low ceiling to our teams if he is our starter. He is just that bad on offense. It’s not even the ppg but just that his defender clogs the lane all the time. Jak has yo physically move his man out of the way every time somebody drives bc of this fact. But he can’t do that every play bc that’s exhausting. If he had literally a 8 foot Oberto jump shot he would be so much better on offense. Instead he refuses to work on his shot
No, the low ceiling of our team isn't because of Jak. The low ceiling is because of the other 4 starters. Jak would be a starter on 75% of the other NBA teams. Heck, he would even be a starter on the Warriors and make them better. What other player on the Spurs can you say that about?
Poeltl only weakness is his jumper, he can't shoot. That's it. But guess what, many centers in the NBA can't shoot. It isn't a vital skill to have at that position, even in today's NBA. Aside from that, Jak gives you pretty much everything. Elite rim protection, defense on the perimeter, pick and roll defense, mobility and agility for a big man, great passing and vision, finishing, and a high IQ overall. You clearly have a problem apreciating all the things Poeltl can do on a basketball court. Start searching for anywhere else to blame on the Spurs being a lottery team, because Poeltl isn't it, tbh.
Yes. Yes, he does.
Perk successfully guarded Duncan, peak Dwight, and Gasol in the playoffs. Jak has guarded… nobody. I get that you’re not an nba fan (only a Spurs fan) and that 2010 was a down year for us where we got swept by the Suns. But there are other basketball teams you know. Perk literally played the role of Jak and he was damn good at it. So it’s kinda funny seeing you on him.Well, see? That's your problem. You think Perkins is similar in talent to Poeltl.
I hope he calls you for his HOF speech then the way you talk about him. He would start on the Warriors and make them better! Sure they have the best record in all of basketball but they would be betterWell, he's the one that deserves the least blame out of everyone on the roster.
lol son, that's such bull .
No, the low ceiling of our team isn't because of Jak. The low ceiling is because of the other 4 starters. Jak would be a starter on 75% of the other NBA teams. Heck, he would even be a starter on the Warriors and make them better. What other player on the Spurs can you say that about?
Poeltl only weakness is his jumper, he can't shoot. That's it. But guess what, many centers in the NBA can't shoot. It isn't a vital skill to have at that position, even in today's NBA. Aside from that, Jak gives you pretty much everything. Elite rim protection, defense on the perimeter, pick and roll defense, mobility and agility for a big man, great passing and vision, finishing, and a high IQ overall. You clearly have a problem apreciating all the things Poeltl can do on a basketball court. Start searching for anywhere else to blame on the Spurs being a lottery team, because Poeltl isn't it, tbh.
He would start over AD and Jokic and Gobert and Porzingas and Ayton and Towns
Mostly agree with DAF86's sentiments about Poeltl, but he's not a top 10 center . . .
Inarguably better: Jokic, Embiid, Davis, Gobert, Towns, Adebayo, Ayton, Allen, Sabonis
Arguably better: Vucevic, Porzingis, Capela, Turner, Valanciunas, Horford, Williams, Wood, Jackson Jr., Mobley
As for Murray being a top 10 PG this season, fair enough. In the grand scheme . . .
Inarguably better: Curry, Paul, Lillard, Irving, Young, Morant, (LaMelo) Ball
Arguably better: Gilgeous-Alexander, Holiday, Conley, Lowry, Van Vleet, Garland, Fox, Haliburton
Last edited by TD 21; 12-29-2021 at 04:36 PM.
Uh, because he is (or was the last time I looked) 23rd in PER amongst NBA centers, is shooting <36% from the FT stripe, despite being 7'1" often plays below the rim to his offensive detriment (and to many's frustration), and generally has an embarrassing offensive game beyond 5 feet out?How come these type of comment haven't died yet? Imagine still not realizing Jak is a top 10 center in the NBA.
His above average defense and offensive rebounding are the only thing keeping him on the floor as a starting center.
But acting as if he's irreplaceable or worthy of fealty is very spurstalky. In fact Jock does all of Jacob's deficiencies better, in fact MUCH better, but is simply not as polished a defender. If he improves there, it'd be a no-brainer to cut bait with Poeltl.
Last edited by offset formation; 12-29-2021 at 12:02 AM.
Lol. Valanciunas isn't arguably better. He's demonstrably better. As are most of those others.
Thank you. Dude is saying the guy is a hall of famer. Calls him a winner when he’s never won
Irving hasn’t played this season so he’s out. Conley sucks this year and so does Lowry. Van fleet can’t guard multiple positions the way Murray can. And Lillard has turned into an overrated chucker. Dude is shooting 40% from the field and will probably drop to the 30s soon. Also I like Shay but he’s not better than Murray
Counting stats without context.
He's still active and about to play, so he's in. Conley has been good. Lowry has dropped (but I'll give him more time before saying it's inarguable). Gilgeous-Alexander should arguably being in the arguably category.
Last edited by TD 21; 12-29-2021 at 04:37 PM.
i'm taking jock over jakob if i had to (not that i want jock playing the 5 full time). jock has that fire.
remember how good manu made blair look? damn, i wish jock got to play with manu, both have that fire. fire is unteachable.
"23rd in PER"
What a dishonest bull argument.
1st- PER sucks
2nd- There's a bunch of guys averaging 10 mpg ahead of Poeltl on that list.
3rd- Poeltl is actually averaging a great PER number.
And nobody is acting as if Poeltl is irrepleceable. He's a center making 9 millions per year.
He's much better than some of you mofos realize though, that's for sure.
Perkins is a dinosaur from another era where you could have no basketball talent whatsoever and just get by being a bully and fouling 6 times per game. He would have never made it on today's NBA.
Poeltl is a highly skilled big which was selected 9th overall for a reason. I repeat, Poeltl isn't the problem here, the problem is your inability to properly asses all the positive things Jak can do on a basketball court.
I said the positives of Poeltl but your problem is that you think his huge negative isn’t a huge negative at all. His problem is that his defender cheats off of him and clogs the paint for our guards who are already meh dribblers. He has zero offensive game other than being spoon fed and even then he doesn’t finish strong enough quite often. This is a big negative. When Poeltl isn’t pushing and shoving his man out of the way for people he is useless on offense.
Also besides being more mobile than Perk, what other skill does Jak have over Perk? Perk manned the paint pretty damn well back in his day too. Jak struggles against real big men while Perk held his own defensively against them.
Pretty much any skill there is. Passing, vision, offensive rebounding, touch around the rim, positioning and just overall understanding of the game. It is hard to discuss these things when you are clearly so blind to them.
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