Spurs Trade Rumor Thread (Spurs eyeing Collins, Osman? Fielding calls on Jak?)

[MultiTroll]

The Spurs should be looking to trade White for a piece that fits with Murray. If he were a bad player, the Spurs should be better off just keeping him and trading him away once his contract gets to be an expiring.

Yes, like now.
Whites expiring contract is 4 years from now.
If he ends up remaining 30% trey and gimpy feet no one will give for him.

[RC_Drunkford]

If Jak is shipped out somewhere, then I would have an interest in the Indy 5s but otherwise, I still contend if we could do a significant upgrade at the 4 we are better off. If we were able to bring in Collins and hang onto our FRP I think this team makes a big jump. It doesn't have to be Collins but he is the one there is talk about. Whoever it is needs to be able to hit outside shots when playing with Jak. Way too early to know if Zollins is a mid-term success but should he stay healthy/pan out, the ability to situationally be able to play either Zollins or Jak is appealing to me.

I could write an in-depth article on why this is exactly what they should be doing

[RC_Drunkford]

Yes, like now.
Whites expiring contract is 4 years from now.
If he ends up remaining 30% trey and gimpy feet no one will give for him.

he shot 37 and 35% the seasons before and is at 31% right now. People are not really worried about his shooting that much although it could be better

[RC_Drunkford]

The Bulls made an offer for center Jakob Poeltl that was centered around a first-round pick, but they were rebuffed by the Spurs, according to Stein. Chicago has already traded away two of its own future first-round selections – including one to San Antonio – so the pick in the offer for Poeltl may have been Portland’s 2022 first-rounder, which is top-14 protected and appears unlikely to convey this year.

That's not a good draft pick and they probably included Derrick Jones

[CGD]

Spurs just rejected a Bulls offer for Poeltl including a 1st. They probably offered Derrick Jones

Where’d you see this?

[R. DeMurre]

Indiana has dragged their feet for five seasons now, undecided on whether Sabonis & Turner can work together, with three first round playoff loses to show for it, two of them sweeps. It seems pretty clear the formula isn't gonna work. I'm guessing a lot of Pacer fans are pretty irritated at this point.

[BacktoBasics]

There are good defensive bigs in the NBA, and more will come during the draft. If you acquire Sabonis, the goal has to be to land a guy like Murray or Eason and hope he can come in and add interior defense right away. KBD would be even more important to the team after the trade, since he has the ability to switch onto centers while still being agile enough to defend perimeter players.

No matter what, the Spurs aren't one trade away from competing, let alone contending. No move they make should be thought of as the final move. That's why they can't go all-in on their offer. They'll need to save that for a player who can tie together Murray, their 22 first, a guy like Sabonis or Collins and whatever supporting players they can keep after all is said and done.

I'd hate to see us land Sabonis only to see him improve us just enough to get us out of the top 8 in the draft. A top 5 or really top 4 pick is way more valuable than Sabonis.

[Dex]

That's not a good draft pick and they probably included Derrick Jones

What a stupid offer.

Sure, let's trade our 9th overall draft pick who has developed nicely for a late first and salary dump.

[CGD]

That's not a good draft pick and they probably included Derrick Jones

Thanks. Spurs should be holding the line at Williams or OG (with Raps), since their respective FRPs, alone, are meh.

[Degoat]

The team that makes the most sense for Jakob is the GSW, but it seems like they are wanting to stand Pat with their group. That bulls deal is mehhh but honestly it’s not far off imo

[CGD]

The team that makes the most sense for Jakob is the GSW, but it seems like they are wanting to stand Pat with their group. That bulls deal is mehhh but honestly it’s not far off imo

The one helpful thing about CHI putting the POR lotto protect pick in play, is that it should allow spurs to go back to TOR to demand a more favorable protections structure on a TOR 2023 or 2024 FRP.

Agree GSW need to jump to the Jakob sweepstakes.

[RC_Drunkford]

The team that makes the most sense for Jakob is the GSW, but it seems like they are wanting to stand Pat with their group. That bulls deal is mehhh but honestly it’s not far off imo

it will take Coby White or Patrick Williams. Otherwise the Spurs won't do the deal and I wouldn't either

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Safe to say Chicago's offer was Derrick Jones Jr + Portland's 1st. Good to have a base understanding on how much the Spurs value Poeltl. Portland's pick is lottery protected until 2028.

Btw Chicago could technically trade their 2027 first too if they lift the protections on the 2025 pick they owe the Spurs and the 2023 pick they owe to the Magic, making them unprotected.

Another small trade the Spurs should look to do would be something like Juancho's contract for Ibaka's + cash + a 2RP, which would save Clippers a lot of luxury tax money. There should be a couple more similar deals available even if OKC trumps one with their cap space.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Jakob is the Spurs' second best player this season behind Murray. Makes no sense to trade him unless they get a future lottery pick in return. The Spurs should just let go of Young and/ or Walker .. wait till the offseason, check their draft position and continue rebuilding. This unit looks promising and is poised to do better with one All-NBA player in the mix.

[CGD]

Safe to say Chicago's offer was Derrick Jones Jr + Portland's 1st. Good to have a base understanding on how much the Spurs value Poeltl. Portland's pick is lottery protected until 2028.

Btw Chicago could technically trade their 2027 first too if they lift the protections on the 2025 pick owe the Spurs, making it unprotected.

Another small trade the Spurs should look to do would be something like Juancho's contract for Ibaka's + cash + a 2RP, which would save Clippers a lot of luxury tax money. There should be a couple more similar deals available even if OKC trumps one with their cap space.

Interesting point about possibility of renegotiating 2025 protections. Does POR pick then make sense if they also kill all 2025 protections? Hmm

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Interesting point about possibility of renegotiating 2025 protections. Does POR pick then make sense if they also kill all 2025 protections? Hmm

Portland have no incentive to lift their pick's protections though. Chicago might do if they want to make a trade using their 2027 pick. Unlikely though, smart teams don't trade unprotected picks unless it's for a superstar.

[John B]

Jakob is the Spurs' second best player this season behind Murray. Makes no sense to trade him unless they get a future lottery pick in return. The Spurs should just let go of Young and/ or Walker .. wait till the offseason, check their draft position and continue rebuilding. This unit looks promising and is poised to do better with one All-NBA player in the mix.

As much as I'm starting to like Poeltl.

1. He will always be a limited player because of he's inability to hit outside of 9 footer
2. His FT while improving is still a dismal 40%
3. While his help defense is excellent (despite overhelping at times and leaving his guy for open dunks), he is a terrible on-man defender especially against capable bigs
4. He will be demanding more money after next season (he himself said he'll be working on that salary increase). And should Spurs pay him starting Center salary? Nope

Better to move him while his stock is high

[CGD]

Portland have no incentive to lift their pick's protections though. Chicago might do if they want to make a trade using their 2027 pick. Unlikely though, smart teams don't trade unprotected picks unless it's for a superstar.

I’m saying they still send the POR FRP as it is, but also upgrade to a better protection structure on the 2025 FRP they got from DDR trade. Maybe completely unprotected is a stretch, but making it Top 8 in 2025, Top 3 in 2026 and 2027, etc.

[Spursfanfromafar]

As much as I'm starting to like Poeltl.

1. He will always be a limited player because of he's inability to hit outside of 9 footer
2. His FT while improving is still a dismal 40%
3. While his help defense is excellent (despite overhelping at times and leaving his guy for open dunks), he is a terrible on-man defender especially against capable bigs
4. He will be demanding more money after next season (he himself said he'll be working on that salary increase). And should Spurs pay him starting Center salary? Nope

Better to move him while his stock is high

1. He is a center who plays excellent defense and works hard on offense by setting screens, rolling to the basket and making himself available for scoring at the rim. He is a passable imitation of Rudy Gobert but is paid peanuts compared to Gobert. The only two-way centers who can do way better than Poeltl are two MVP candidates - Jokic and Embiid. And they are once in a generation talents. It's no shame not being in the same tier as Jokic and Embiid. But being on par with Jarett Allen and Jonas Valanciunas and paid lower than them is an incredible bargain for the Spurs.
2. His defensive plus minus numbers, 538 Raptor WAR numbers put him as the second best defensive player on the Spurs behind Derrick White. And in the Top 10 among Centers who have played more than 1000 minutes. He makes a world of difference when on the floor. Now that Zollins is fit and can play backup, the Spurs have a good one-two punch at Center.
3. His only weakness is his pathetic free throw shooting, but just like last season, he has started to improve that at the later half of the season
4. The Spurs can cross the bridge when they get to it. They have one more season and if Poeltl is as valuable as he is now, he is only going to even more so next season, on an expiring. There is no need to trade him now. Besides he is young and still reaching his prime. He can be a building block for a Spurs team that is seeking to get that transformational star who will lift the team. With the Center position set and above league average, the Spurs should just focus on getting an All-Star/ All-Star calibre power forward through either the draft or through free agency/ trade. There is no need to trade Poeltl at all if looked at it that way.

[slick'81]

Don't see spurs getting a lottery pick for poodle

[John B]

1. He is a center who plays excellent defense and works hard on offense by setting screens, rolling to the basket and making himself available for scoring at the rim. He is a passable imitation of Rudy Gobert but is paid peanuts compared to Gobert. The only two-way centers who can do way better than Poeltl are two MVP candidates - Jokic and Embiid. And they are once in a generation talents. It's no shame not being in the same tier as Jokic and Embiid. But being on par with Jarett Allen and Jonas Valanciunas and paid lower than them is an incredible bargain for the Spurs.
2. His defensive plus minus numbers, 538 Raptor WAR numbers put him as the second best defensive player on the Spurs behind Derrick White. And in the Top 10 among Centers who have played more than 1000 minutes. He makes a world of difference when on the floor. Now that Zollins is fit and can play backup, the Spurs have a good one-two punch at Center.
3. His only weakness is his pathetic free throw shooting, but just like last season, he has started to improve that at the later half of the season
4. The Spurs can cross the bridge when they get to it. They have one more season and if Poeltl is as valuable as he is now, he is only going to even more so next season, on an expiring. There is no need to trade him now. Besides he is young and still reaching his prime. He can be a building block for a Spurs team that is seeking to get that transformational star who will lift the team. With the Center position set and above league average, the Spurs should just focus on getting an All-Star/ All-Star calibre power forward through either the draft or through free agency/ trade. There is no need to trade Poeltl at all if looked at it that way.

1. Bargain now, but will he be a bargain 2 years from now when he ask for an increase? Nope. So why wait then when people are asking for him now? That is the main argument here. Once he starts asking for a Jarrett Allen salary then, I will get a Jarrett Allen caliber who can depend and shoot, and Poeltl cannot do both. And again he is a BAD on-man defender.

[Chinook]

Some examples?

Have you not asked any non-Spurs fan about White? He's highly coveted. Even the beat reporters are saying teams are calling about him. You purposefully trying to make him look bad doesn't reflect on his actual level of play or value. His defensive numbers are very good, despite apparently being limited on that end. He's the team's best perimeter on-ball defender (it's not even close).

This would be a winning strategy.
Gawd knows they should have done this in Spades the last 3 years vs the b.s. they did.

No, it's not. The Spurs, for years, have had a lot of good players. I'm not going to entertain the ST tradition of ting on good players for memes. The more important thing, though, is that if you're only trading away bad players, you can't ever trade for good players. Nobody wants to get bad players back in trades. If they do, it's with compensation. If the Spurs' goal is to have a good team and not just some decent players who haven't lost hope, then they'll have to be wiling to move good players for value that they can use to turn them into better players. Holding onto everyone who's not bad is an awful, losing strategy, and constantly giving up value to get rid of players because they're bad is an even worse one.

[Chinook]

I'd hate to see us land Sabonis only to see him improve us just enough to get us out of the top 8 in the draft. A top 5 or really top 4 pick is way more valuable than Sabonis.

Eh, a top-five pick doesn't matter. Who they get is what matters. I don't want them to make a move this season precisely for the reasons you do, but there are tons of scenarios where Sabonis and a pick that lands between 6-10 is better than just a pick that land between 1-5.

[exstatic]

Not an injured White.
With 5 more years vs Levert thru 23, to me it's a lateral move but frees up '23 on.

White gets injured again and Pop probably can only get Bryn Forbes or Patty Mills back in a trade.

Laverts injury history/ games played are worse than whites.

[exstatic]

Some examples?

Whites 3 pt shooting is erratic and mostly bad.
30% blows for a point guard / shooting guard.
And the 30% us more like 1-6, 0-4, 5-7.

His feet do not look healed and this limits him on D.
Overall fg% not much better.


This would be a winning strategy.
Gawd knows they should have done this in Spades the last 3 years vs the b.s. they did.

Derrick White is the number one FG% at the rim defender for guards in the NBA, and number three, OVERALL.

Guess those feet can’t be too bad.