Spurs Trade Rumor Thread (Spurs eyeing Collins, Osman? Fielding calls on Jak?)

[cd98]

Fox is one of those guys who after two seasons looked like a future star. He was one of the fastest PGs in the league and had just come off a year where he shot 37% from three, after shooting 31% as a rookie. All of his numbers, both raw & advanced, improved from rookie year to sop re year. If this arc had continued in years three and four he would've been a star, but it didn't. After five seasons, his career 3 pt% is 31%, his defense is consistently in the negative, and his assist numbers are relatively average. He's a pretty good example of how tough it can be to gauge a player's future progress. Two or three years ago, I think most people would've said that Fox was ahead of Dejounte in terms of development, but I'm guessing that right now, many scouts & coaches would call Dejounte the better player at the moment & for the prospect of the future.

In fairness to Fox, Sacramento has an abysmal record of developing their young talent.

[CGD]

Feel like if they were going to put Hali in play, they should have alerted more teams first. I’m sure they would have gotten many other offers including some that would have been superior to a package around Domas.

[Dex]

Sabonis is a very good player. My problem is fit, but mostly Fox. Fox hasn't done to get you to the playoffs, while Haliburton is already running the team most of the time and is only in his second year and growing.

Yeah, Haliburton has the larger upside imo, while Sabonis is what he is....a 4/5 who doesn't defend and who seems to have forgotten how to shoot.

Woj also said that most of the league didn't even know Haliburton was on the table, so it sounds like Sacramento didn't even do their due diligence. He was their best building block for the future, instead they are stuck with a Fox/Sabonis combo which saps their cap and would be lucky to get them into the 10th seed.

Classic Kings stuff right there. Their fans are pissed on reddit right now.

[poopbox]

They could have moved Fox elsehwere. The fact that they doubled down on their stupidity and traded their best young player on a rookie deal is idiotic. I'm saying that Sacramento choosing to keep Fox and trade Haliburton is dumb as especially given what they got out of it.

I don't think they "chose" to keep Fox. I think nobody wants Fox on a max contract so Haliburton was the easiest piece to move and get back a piece that on paper helps them.

[timtonymanu]

My fantasy team is in shambles.

I mean, it already was, but is still is. More shambles. It's shamblier.

So is mine, brother.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, Haliburton has the larger upside imo, while Sabonis is what he is....a 4/5 who doesn't defend and who seems to have forgotten how to shoot.

Woj also said that most of the league didn't even know Haliburton was on the table, so it sounds like Sacramento didn't even do their due diligence. He was their best building block for the future, instead they are stuck with a Fox/Sabonis combo which saps their cap and would be lucky to get them into the 10th seed.

Classic Kings stuff right there. Their fans are pissed on reddit right now.

Kudos to the Pacers if so. They managed to sneak in and grab Haliburton without anyone knowing he was available.

[TD 21]

Despite the big/surprise names involved, both of these trades are meh . . .

Pacers: Nice pickup and Haliburton's skillset will be more valuable going forward than Sabonis', but he's probably unlikely to be a markedly better player.

Pelicans: McCollum is a relatively good fit at sensible price, but it's all window dressing without a healthy Williamson.

Trail Blazers: Current value is fine, but combined with their other trade it feels underwhelming.

Kings: Terrible fit unless they can turn Holmes+ into a 3 and D big wing (good luck with that).

[PhantomDashCam]

Stunning.

I think Sabonis is somewhat underrated here and Tyrese might be bordering on overrated.... Still, astonished that Kings make this trade.
Clearly they felt leadership and loyalty were vapid commodities.

How on Earth, as a fan, could you possibly trust this franchise's direction and the PR BS they consistently spin?

In other news, Brian Windy is saying Ben Simmons "is looking great in workouts, from what he hears." Must be that time of year again

[Leetonidas]

I don't think they "chose" to keep Fox. I think nobody wants Fox on a max contract so Haliburton was the easiest piece to move and get back a piece that on paper helps them.

Regardless, they traded by far their best asset who may end up better than either Fox or Sabonis and got a pretty meh return. Sabonis is a good player but Sac FO is inept either way so that team isn't going anywhere. Sabonis had more talent around him in Indy and haven't been in the playoff picture the last 2 years.

In the end they made a panic move to win now and traded their best asset to do it and will likely still either miss the playoffs, get to the play in game and lose, or lose in the first round. Should have just kept Haliburton and kept looking for deals for Fox. Panic move to win now wasn't the solution IMHO

[TD 21]

Sabonis had more talent around him in Indy and haven't been in the playoff picture the last 2 years.

To be fair, they've been decimated by injury. Literally never had their previous core play a single game together.

[Leetonidas]

To be fair, they've been decimated by injury. Literally never had their previous core play a single game together.

Good point. Not gonna pretend I follow them closely I knew Warren has been out but I thought it was just him mostly

[Dverde]

Sabonis and Turner was doomed to fail. I like the Pelican’s trade for CJ. It makes them relevant again and help them retain Zion. Sucks they are in our division, but I think they are nothing more than a playoff team now.

[TD 21]

With deadline upcoming, Raptors look to build on what they already have (sportsnet.ca)

"The Raptors reported interest in San Antonio Spurs centre Jakob Poeltl -- who played the first three years of his career in Toronto -- was real, but the Spurs weren’t budging from one of the better defensive centres in the league -- not for expiring contracts and a mid-round first."

[Dverde]

Everyone hate a trade for Julius Randle? He seems to be having some weird underperforming year with the Knicks. They may be willing to deal him to free up cap space for 2022 FA like James Harden (I know). They’d probably want to add a bad contract like Kemba Walker. I liked Randle coming out of New Orleans, he looked pretty bad in the Spurs/Knicks game I saw this season

[Mr. Body]

With deadline upcoming, Raptors look to build on what they already have (sportsnet.ca)

"The Raptors reported interest in San Antonio Spurs centre Jakob Poeltl -- who played the first three years of his career in Toronto -- was real, but the Spurs weren’t budging from one of the better defensive centres in the league -- not for expiring contracts and a mid-round first."

Expiring and a mid-first for Poeltl is insulting.

[Mr. Body]

Everyone hate a trade for Julius Randle? He seems to be having some weird underperforming year with the Knicks. They may be willing to deal him to free up cap space for 2022 FA like James Harden (I know). They’d probably want to add a bad contract like Kemba Walker. I liked Randle coming out of New Orleans, he looked pretty bad in the Spurs/Knicks game I saw this season

Randle always seemed like an overperformer, a beefy role-player who somehow played up to All-Star status for a time.

[Chinook]

Everyone hate a trade for Julius Randle? He seems to be having some weird underperforming year with the Knicks. They may be willing to deal him to free up cap space for 2022 FA like James Harden (I know). They’d probably want to add a bad contract like Kemba Walker. I liked Randle coming out of New Orleans, he looked pretty bad in the Spurs/Knicks game I saw this season

Randle would be like the consolidation prize version of Collins. He does fit, but I don't think the Spurs could afford to pay for in terms of assets. I don't see Murray and Randle as the lead players on a strong team. Even Murray, Lavine, Vassell, Randle and Poeltl feels like a play-in starting unit, and that's a pretty positive off-season outcome.

[Dverde]

Something like D White, Thad, Lonnie Walker IV for Randle and Kemba Walker. Poop loved coaching Kemba for Team USA. Keep him around as the bench vet. Basically White for Randle with the Knicks freeing up about 12M salary next year.

[Chinook]

The Spurs can't afford to take cap space next year. They actually need to shed salary. Like replacing Thad with McDermott is almost a necessity

[baseline bum]

Everyone hate a trade for Julius Randle? He seems to be having some weird underperforming year with the Knicks. They may be willing to deal him to free up cap space for 2022 FA like James Harden (I know). They’d probably want to add a bad contract like Kemba Walker. I liked Randle coming out of New Orleans, he looked pretty bad in the Spurs/Knicks game I saw this season

Nah, last year was the weird year for Julian when he overperformed.

[Thomas82]

Expiring and a mid-first for Poeltl is insulting.

I agree with another poster (can't remember exactly who) that said the team that makes the most sense for Poetl is the Warriors, but it's not likely since they seem to like what they have.

[ginobilized]

What do the hoi poloi think of Thad for Taurean Prince and a 1st round pick?

[Mr. Body]

What do the hoi poloi think of Thad for Taurean Prince and a 1st round pick?

I believe it's a 2nd round pick. It seems most people are okay with it. Another platoon wing and a draft pick for a guy who doesn't play and won't be here past this week anyway.

[RC_Drunkford]

Are you serious? Like Rubio? Do you even watch games?

he clearly only watches stat lines on bballref. Spurs fans wanting Sabonis or Randle but not John Collins is hilarious. Shows how much they know about the game

[BatManu20]

Yea no to Julius Randle. Vastly overpaid, one-dimensional, underachieving player who I want nothing to do with. Don’t let his random big scoring games fool you, he’s nowhere near a max player. There’s a reason NYK are shopping him already just one year after giving him all that money.

Besides that, he’s mentally weak. Gets frustrated too easily and starts ing at the refs instead of getting back on D. Does this often. Hard pass.