Boy, Spurs fans here. Are they really Spurs fans? Dejounte Murray has improved in almost every facet of his game except for three point shooting. And he plays hard on defense trying to disrupt ball handlers at point of creation and helping with deflections. He was already a good rebounding guard and is now the best rebounding guard in the league. His court vision is good enough for him to average a near triple double almost every game and he has a low turnover rate and not a very high usage rate a la Westbrick. Plus, his midrange shooting is near elite too. He was lacking in finishing with contact and taking free throws but over the course of the season, that number is edging up too. His finishing has been much better than before. His timing on the passes even in narrow places has been really good and most importantly, his turnover rate is so low that he is as elite as any elite PG today in that respect.
The only knock in his game is his inability to shoot efficiently from the three point range or to take step back jumpers. But knowing how he has improved his shooting ability in leaps and bounds, this is going to come too as he nears his peak. On defense, he gets lost when it comes to screening actions that try to take him out of the play because of his slender frame. But he more than makes for it with disruptive on ball defense.
The Spurs are also lucky to have him locked in to a very reasonable contract in a league where player wages for all Stars/ All-NBA types have skyrocketed because of the new CBA (even as middle class players' salaries have stagnated). Whats not to like about DJM, I dont know!
If anything DJM is an excellent example for any young player .. that player development by sheer hard work can improve one by leaps and bounds. I thought it was Derrick White who would be an All Star, and not DJM but as is his wont since the first day in the league, DJM has the knack of proving doubters wrong. His mental strength is another of his key attributes. In DJM, White, Primo and Vassell, the Spurs backcourt is set for the near future. So is their frontcourt with Poeltl, Johnson and Collins (hopefully). All they lack is a surefire PF who can rebound and shoot. McDermott brings a great catch and shoot ability and constant movement, but his defense and rebounding numbers are poor. I think the Spurs will make a 5-8 place playoff team easily with this current core next year and with a tweak via the draft/ FA to get a good PF.
The Spurs should continue to hit doubles and singles to get to a point of contention in this NBA environment. With their draft picks intact and cap situation in control, they will get a Home run hitting chance in the next couple of years for sure. There is no need to hurry things up.
Does anyone remember when they were in 5th grade and there was that kid who would just say things the opposite of you because they were craving attention?
This dumbass troll account makes it so painfully obvious that it’s a blessing he’s exposed himself as an idiot who shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Last edited by Dejounte; 02-09-2022 at 03:09 AM.
Spurs are 20-34,,,,5 games away from having the worst record in the West but youre saying Murray is a stud and they have all this great young talent?,,,,LMAO. Good Luck with that.
You guys dont seem to understand...the Spurs dont have a difference maker. Murray is fools gold. He hasnt done a thing to carry the Spurs this year but you guys are enamored with his stats. When Philly was tanking and grabbing high picks,,,they got the one guy that could get them to the next level,,,,Embiid. Murray is no Embiid. Murray is no Morant. Murray is no Jayson Tatum. Stop overvaluing a player just because he plays on the Spurs.
Peter Holt sell the team… You say. There was something which happened nearly six years ago that I guess you missed. You don’t get out much?
More accurate would be to say Westbrook is a poor man’s Murray. Murray plays excellent defense and has low turnovers. A triple-double threat with low turnovers who plays excellent defense, that is a superior kind of player.
Westbroook,,,9 time All Star,,,2 time All NBA 1st team,,,regular season MVP,,let me know when poor man Murray gets there,,,lmao
Oh, and Jeff,,,let me add Westbrook 2 time NBA Scoring Champ,,,,you think Murray will ever average over 30 a game?,,,,LMAO.
And I forgot to mention,,,Westbrook was 3 time NBA assists leader. If you think Murray will do all the things Westbrook did you should stop watching basketball,,,,
Westbrook also got multiple Shaqtin A Fool MVPs while not making the playoffs with LeBron on the team. So yeah I agree, I don’t see Murray doing that
Now everyone is ting on prime Westbrook
But we are the trolls. The dude dragged the fest Thunder to the playoffs year after year. That itself is impressive. But we all knew his game would fall off a cliff once his athleticism dropped a tiny bit.
Murray does average a lot of assists but saying that he can improve as a passer is now taboo. The dude has several passes that he can’t make. I’m sorry I was blessed by Manu and Tony for so long that I can tell at a glance that Murray isn’t in the same stratosphere as them as a passer. Tony became the best in traffic passer in the game tbh where he would collapse 3 people on him and find the wide open man. It was impressive. Manu was just Manu. His court vision was unreal.
Murray isn’t there yet. But bc he averages 9 assists a game he is a better passer than themhe gets his assists Westbrook style. I don’t know what else to tell you.
Also Murray doesn’t collapse the defense enough. Zones really work well on the Spurs bc nobody is good enough to break them. There are countless examples this year of him not being able to get to the paint vs a zone. This is bc his dribbling isn’t up to snuff. But bc he averages less Turnovers than Parker he is a better dribbler than Tony. Who’s really the 5th grader here?
Its not a troll job to say he needs to improve his passing and dribbling even more (when it comes to getting in the paint). It’s part of the reason why he only averages 2.7 free throws a game. Another area he needs to improve on
Which is why I think he should move to SG and we draft a Conley type PG (if available mind you). SG puts all of his best qualities on display. He really would be the best in the league I believe if he just focused on scoring/defense and secondary play making. But that’s being a hater too I suppose by saying a Spur would be the best in the league.
What ails the Spurs is three point shooting. Murray, Walker and White are all hovering around 30%. That won't get it done in today's NBA. Murray does the best at making up with his over all game, but his FG% is nothing to brag about either. We, as a team, need to move the ball, and find a way back to the beautiful game or move players and or move coaches
They have an even point differential, so they’re a lot better than the record indicates. I’m fine with a tank job if it nets a guy they really want, but you really can’t be upset here with the young core.
Spurs are definitely better than their record indicates. We’ve lost so many close games this season I’ve lost count. But losing games is what’s in the best interest of this team right now. So I hope we continue to do so.
goalpost has moved to All-NBA caliber player. Sell high?
I don't see any one actively saying Murray is a great dribbler or playmaker. The most common praise is he has improved so much from his rookie season that it's not insignificant. No one is saying he is a all nba player or a HOF. However he is also not a stat padder to the detrimental of the team. I have also mentioned a few times that no one on the Spurs has advanced handling and neither do they have a high flying big nor a dead-eye 3 thus the zone kills them. Looking back the years handling could be the worse department of development for the Spurs. It almost seems that only Tony and Many are great at it and they brought their handling with them to the Spurs.
literally nobody has said these things, you just made them up. Given that you were in the trade Murray camp I can see why. Nobody says he's better than Tony or Manu. But DJ is not done improving. He can up his percentage. He can work on getting to the line more often. And he can further improve his handles, giving him even more chances to score on high efficiency. It's pretty clear that he has still a lot of room to grow and hasn't reached his ceiling yet.Now everyone is ting on prime Westbrook
But we are the trolls. The dude dragged the fest Thunder to the playoffs year after year. That itself is impressive. But we all knew his game would fall off a cliff once his athleticism dropped a tiny bit.
Murray does average a lot of assists but saying that he can improve as a passer is now taboo. The dude has several passes that he can’t make. I’m sorry I was blessed by Manu and Tony for so long that I can tell at a glance that Murray isn’t in the same stratosphere as them as a passer. Tony became the best in traffic passer in the game tbh where he would collapse 3 people on him and find the wide open man. It was impressive. Manu was just Manu. His court vision was unreal.
Murray isn’t there yet. But bc he averages 9 assists a game he is a better passer than them
Also Murray doesn’t collapse the defense enough. Zones really work well on the Spurs bc nobody is good enough to break them. There are countless examples this year of him not being able to get to the paint vs a zone. This is bc his dribbling isn’t up to snuff. But bc he averages less Turnovers than Parker he is a better dribbler than Tony. Who’s really the 5th grader here?
Its not a troll job to say he needs to improve his passing and dribbling even more (when it comes to getting in the paint). It’s part of the reason why he only averages 2.7 free throws a game. Another area he needs to improve on
Which is why I think he should move to SG and we draft a Conley type PG (if available mind you). SG puts all of his best qualities on display. He really would be the best in the league I believe if he just focused on scoring/defense and secondary play making. But that’s being a hater too I suppose by saying a Spur would be the best in the league.
Also Westbrick has always been a low efficiency stat padder who shot his own team out of games. Nothing surprises me about him. I was celebrating in October when the Lakers signed him. He's one of the dumbest players in NBA history (if not the dumbest), which is why KD dipped
Love this kid. Hope he’s a Spur lifer.
Now everyone is ting on prime Westbrook
But we are the trolls. The dude dragged the fest Thunder to the playoffs year after year. …
Those Thunder teams had, first, Kevin Durant with a good supporting cast, and then Paul George with, again, good support.
The fest is inside your head. You are an ignorant, stupid individual. Or a very dishonest individual.
Having Kevin Durant makes a difference.
You. Stupid. Dolt.
... But we all knew his game would fall off a cliff once his athleticism dropped a tiny bit.
What made the big difference was when the team around Westbrook wasn’t as good.
… I’m sorry I was blessed by Manu and Tony for so long that I can tell at a glance that Murray isn’t in the same stratosphere as them as a passer. Tony became the best in traffic passer in the game tbh where he would collapse 3 people on him and find the wide open man. It was impressive. Manu was just Manu. His court vision was unreal.
The truth is, Tony was never a great player for assists. His season high for assists was in 2011-12 when he had 7.7 per game (versus Murray’s current 9.2.) Tony had 2.6 turnovers per game that year (versus Murray’s current 2.5.)
You are fantasizing about a Tony Parker who never existed. That isn’t how Tony did what he did.
First, in the case of Westbrook, above, you ignore Kevin Durant, and then, in the case of Parker, you ignore Tim Duncan.
You are not bright.
Manu? He was a joy to watch. He’d make a fabulous thread-the-needle pass which would be on the highlight reel, and then on the next possession he’d throw the ball into the stands. Lol. Then he’d get a steal and hit a 3. It was amazing. (Manu also played good defense.) But while Manu was good with assists, overall, he was not one of the greats at it. His best season for assists minus turnovers was 2009-10, when he was 4.9 - 2.1 for a net of 2.8. (Murray’s current stat on that is 9.2 - 2.5 for a net of 6.7.)
Parker and Manu were both outstanding players, but also, they both benefited greatly from being on much better teams than the current Spurs.
... I don’t know what else to tell you.
You could try telling the truth for a change. But of course that would require you knowing the truth, which you apparently do not.
… Who’s really the 5th grader here?
You are.
Wait, KobesAchilles thought I was referring to him when I made my post? I was referring to Hemisfair, and I thought that was ing obvious. I mean, if the post triggered you, then maybe you are a troll. Whoever the the troll account Hemisfair belongs to, that’s the 5th grader who needs mental help. Badly.
You can tell when people are just trying to get a rise out of people, and that loser couldn’t have made it more obvious.
What’s he done lately, dip ?
Nah people were saying that. Dejounte was taking not so subtle shots at me bc I said DJ needs to improve his passing and handles. He threw a fit about it bringing up his ass/turnover ratio. Then he threw some more shade at me with his "he makes basic passes" line. But DJ does make basic passes! He really does need to improve on his handles and passing.
I know he has improved every year. I wanted him gone last season and some time during the off-season for Simmons I believe. But I jumped right back on his bandwagon once he started playing this season. i am very impressed with him. But I still don't see him as a PG. I think he could be the best SG in the league. But the team is so deprived of talent at every position that it's hard to see. If we can get a top tier PG at the draft then I think we should take the opportunity
**I'm pretty sure the he makes basic passes line was about me Dejounte
**edit two** Deounte said it wasn't about me so I will take his word for it. But I'm not trolling. I might not be right
Ok I got rid of Durant. Then you got rid of the year Durant left him and he dragged OKC to the playoffs. Also he got to the Finals with Durant and had them positioned to beat the Waarriors if not for DURANTS choke job not Westbrooks.
I know that Tony wasn't great for assists per game. That was my whole point. Assists per game is not a metric to how well you run an offense. Westbrook averaged 12 per game once (11?) that doesn't mean he knows how to run an offense. same with Harden. But Tony Parker was amazing at in-traffic passes. He just was. You name-calling me doesn't change that fact. Manu had stupid turnovers for sure, but when you are the artist he is then you take liberties. My point is that Manu is a better passer than DJ and so was Tony. They both had tthe ability to make passes that DJ can't make. Maybe he will one day (with Tony's passes never Manu's) but he isn't there yet
Tony and Manu added to those great Spurs teams tbh. They benefited by having Duncan obviously, but wheen given the reigns of the offense they both took it over and showed they didn't need to be second fiddle in order to win games
So you want a player that a lot of people complain about in here about his shooting especially his 3 pt shooting to be a SG as opposed to the PG where he is one of the best in the league? Can you explain that to me.Nah people were saying that. Dejounte was taking not so subtle shots at me bc I said DJ needs to improve his passing and handles. He threw a fit about it bringing up his ass/turnover ratio. Then he threw some more shade at me with his "he makes basic passes" line. But DJ does make basic passes! He really does need to improve on his handles and passing.
I know he has improved every year. I wanted him gone last season and some time during the off-season for Simmons I believe. But I jumped right back on his bandwagon once he started playing this season. i am very impressed with him. But I still don't see him as a PG. I think he could be the best SG in the league. But the team is so deprived of talent at every position that it's hard to see. If we can get a top tier PG at the draft then I think we should take the opportunity
**I'm pretty sure the he makes basic passes line was about me Dejounte
**edit two** Deounte said it wasn't about me so I will take his word for it. But I'm not trolling. I might not be right
Even if you want to talk about not seeing the floor as well those harder passes also lead to more turnovers and even fast break points. Some times it is just better to KISS. It also leads to more points and less for the other team. but yes lets make him a SG.
I think his shot is fine tbh. If you look at his assisted 3 point percentage then it’s really high. He just doesn’t have a lot of those opportunities bc nobody else can create for him. If we had a PG that could collapse the D and get into the lane and be able to pass out to a wide open DJ then I expect him to shoot the ball at a high clip. His shot isn’t broken anymore. He can make the 3 pointer. It’s just that we ask him to create for himself and others. It’s too much to ask of him. We give him zero easy shots. That takes a toll on a player. It’s why Durant went to Golden St. He, and literally everybody else, prefers playing where it isn’t tough to put up shots.
I contend that if DJ were moved spots and be replaced by a Mike Conley type player ( a grizzly version not the jazz version) then DJ would have easier shots. He would be able to focus on his own shot creation and not worry about getting everybody else involved, and be spoon fed some easy shots as well. This would, imo, make him average more points, shoot a higher percentage, and even get to the line more bc he can attack a nonset defense rather than constantly attack a defense that is set up to stop him. His defender or help defender will be out of position more often and lead to more FTA per game.
Godly stat line tonight, holy !
32, 15, 10, 4, with one turnover
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