Maybe, but the draft is based STRICTLY on records. That’s why there are two sets of tiebreakers, playoff, and draft. I remember clearly losing a complicated playoff tiebreaker to Portland, and then losing a coin flip for draft position. If it were seed based, we would have gotten the better pick.
I went back to check at the NBA, the play-in result only affects the draft when teams drop out of or hop into the playoff. The pick 1 to 14 will be the 14 teams that does not make play-off and pick 15 to 30 are based on the 16 teams that make the play-off after play-in based on their record. So you are right that 8th placing will pick before the 7th placing regardless of the play-in result if both of them make it to the play-off.
Thanks for explanation. Perfection would be that TOR finishes 8th in east, and 16th among all teams (but seems unlikely since West is down this year). We’d have 15th pick.
Sucks this Boston pick can easily end up being 25-27. They are only 3.5 games behind the number 1 seed in the East now and going for 10 straight tonight and three straight wins by 30 plus all on the road.
That pick was never going to be a great one. The value, as I saw it, was Langford maybe being something, and the 2028 swap, with maybe a small asset coming back from a Richardson trade.
I remember a MLB trade in 1987. The Braves traded a decent pitcher to the Tigers, Doyle Alexander. He came in and went 9-0, and the Tigers won the Division on the last day of the season. They lost the trade, though. The prospect that went the other way was a minor leaguer by the name of John Smoltz.
The short term beneficiary of a trade doesn’t always win the long term.
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It could be, but the pick needs to end up around 20ish, making it easier to utilize it in tandem/package with other pick(s)/player(s) to manipulate the draft board.
It also wouldn't hurt if Langford could develop into a rotation player.
The Spurs also kinda wanted to get off White's salary, I think.
Good results for the Spurs tonight, other than the Spurs beating OKC:
Portland has been playing well and beat the Grizzlies away, Spur still have two more losses.
Indiana beat the Wizards, although it's unlikely the Spurs catch up on four losses.
Raptors pulled out of their skid.
Celtics had their bubble burst by Detroit of all teams.
The one bad part is New York is dropping like a stone and threatens to keep losing. Rose comes back next week, but they stink.
spurs gonna have to work hard to stay in that top8
And this guy is still wearing low cut shoes...
They are going for x-rays nows... potentially another team well have to work at to stay behind them in the standings...
Told y'all the Lakers will drop. As will the Blazers, Knicks and Wizards. Spurs might come up with the 12th pick again when all is said and done
They will not drop behind us imo, they manage to win yesterday and they are nearly 5 games ahead of us. Still a lot of games but i'm more worried about the Wizz and the Knicks like ypu said, i'm not sold on Portland too.
With 23 games remaining Spurs will need to win something like 12-15 games to be in the top 10 of the conference imo,
Poor guy. Between all the injuries and so-so meaningful performances, I wonder if we won’t be looking back at this guy’s career as a “what could have been” one.
People talk a lot of garbage about KAT, but I’m not convinced this guy I had had that much of a better career so far.
They had a chance to blow it at the 4th last night. Seriously, Pop could teach the 1st 3 quarters and should manage to lose in the 4th and get to top 5 picks. Pick a battle. It’s good for the long term.
Our pick:
RAPTOR expected record
33-49
7th worst record.
Expected draft odds:
32%Top 4
7.5% First
Toronto FRP
RAPTOR Expected record
46-36
7th in the East
11th overall
In the play in tournament
Pick Conveys at #18 assuming play in goes chalk.
RAPTOR Playoff chance: 82%
So 18% chance it does not convey currently.
Boston FRP
RAPTOR Expected Record
49-33
4th in the East
8th overall
Pick Conveys at #23
Raptor Playoff Chance: 99%
So <1% chance it does not convey.
Not much changed since the last outlook. Our expected record is one win worse, Toronto one win better, percentages about the same all around.
I understand why we are keeping up with Toronto and Boston, but why Portland? Does it have to do with possible playoff seedings?
Also, I know the question has been asked and answered, but I cannot find the thread it was in....If the Raptors are the 8th seed before the play-in game, does that guarantee we keep their pick or do we have to hope they win the play-in game?
Tor will have to make the actual PO not just the play in for their pick to transfer to us.
Dont see much on portland unless they are talking about teams that could be tanking and then that I would say is more we dont want to pass them.
My ideal homer scenario is Toronto ends up with the 15 worst record in the Association. So we get that pick. Boston misses the playoffs and ends up 14, and we get that pick.
As for us, we get one of two scenarios. Either we get the 10th seed, win the play-in and then make some serious playoff noise and make it at least to the Conference Finals (the true homer in me), or we get the record for Pop and then the bed, not intentionally, the rest of the way and end up with a top 10, if not top 5 pick.
They have to make the playoffs for us to get the Toronto pick. There are 4 play in teams. 7 and 8 play. 9 and 10 play. Winner of 7 and 8 is in the playoffs. Loser plays the winner of 9/10 for the final playoff spot.
Ok, ty. That clears up my confusion. We still want Toronto to be the worst playoff team record wise. We still want Boston to be a lottery team. This assures us of at least 2 top 15 picks. Then, it is just up to whatever we do.
I am glad the NBA isn't like the NFL, where the playoff teams are seeded as they are eliminated. We can end up the 8 seed, get a pick in the mid teens, and still win a Championship.
After all the crap the last few years, to get 14, 15, 16, and the O'Brian would be absolutely awesome. Oh, what a pipe dream.
There are too many bad teams in the West for Toronto to be the worst non lottery team. Best case is probably pick 17. Boston absolutely will not be in the lottery, and it’s not important this year. Hopefully, their current team ends this cycle before 2028, and we are able to use that pick swap then.
Boston also can not move up due to lottery. If they move up to 1-4 then they keep the pick. Should be a small chance with them moving up since if they dont make the PO they should just barley not make it.
Looks like the Cavs have been struggling a little including a loss to the Pistons tonight. Should give the Raptors a chance to get to the 6th seed while the Nets continue to struggle.
splendid news
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