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    He’s a great floor spacer on offense and brings that Marco level D.

    I like Doug, though. Used properly he’s an asset.
    40% on 5 3pt attempts a game. Bryn can do that on 8-10 attempts and offer similar defence for 1/3rd the cost.

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    40% on 5 3pt attempts a game. Bryn can do that on 8-10 attempts and offer similar defence for 1/3rd the cost.
    Bryn is even more of a liability on defense than Doug. And McDermott is tall, more mobile without the ball, and in general is a smarter ball player. I’m not going to cry if We lose McDermott this summer, but I can’t support any statement saying Bryn should be on this roster. We leveraged him for some picks…thank the Maker. Now let’s let him Rest In Peace. Amen.

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    Bryn is even more of a liability on defense than Doug. And McDermott is tall, more mobile without the ball, and in general is a smarter ball player. I’m not going to cry if We lose McDermott this summer, but I can’t support any statement saying Bryn should be on this roster. We leveraged him for some picks…thank the Maker. Now let’s let him Rest In Peace. Amen.
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    Bryn is even more of a liability on defense than Doug. And McDermott is tall, more mobile without the ball, and in general is a smarter ball player. I’m not going to cry if We lose McDermott this summer, but I can’t support any statement saying Bryn should be on this roster. We leveraged him for some picks…thank the Maker. Now let’s let him Rest In Peace. Amen.
    I don’t care for either. If McDermott is your worst contract that’s nothing to hang your head at but I never liked that contract and continue to see it as an overpay.

    He moves very well without the ball, actually puts the effort in on D (but still gets roasted routinely) and i’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he is still getting comfortable after time missed due to injuries and covid but I still see him as a slightly better, much more expensive Forbes.

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    I don’t care for either. If McDermott is your worst contract that’s nothing to hang your head at but I never liked that contract and continue to see it as an overpay.

    He moves very well without the ball, actually puts the effort in on D (but still gets roasted routinely) and i’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he is still getting comfortable after time missed due to injuries and covid but I still see him as a slightly better, much more expensive Forbes.
    Pretty good contract actually if you think about it. He is getting that 41mil guaranteed regardless because that is the 4 yr MLE. And it may be more advantageous for us to make it a 3 year contract , it lines up with DJ free agency and is much more tradeable ( salary match and expiring at year 3 when Doug is 32 ). The extra 3 mil would not be the difference in us signing a big time free agent, a good second rounder is all that is needed to dump that money and we have plenty.

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    Pretty good contract actually if you think about it. He is getting that 41mil guaranteed regardless because that is the 4 yr MLE. And it may be more advantageous for us to make it a 3 year contract , it lines up with DJ free agency and is much more tradeable ( salary match and expiring at year 3 when Doug is 32 ). The extra 3 mil would not be the difference in us signing a big time free agent, a good second rounder is all that is needed to dump that money and we have plenty.
    A moveable contract but you wouldn’t get anything in return and probably have to compensate the receiving team for taking him on.

    He is certainly my least favourite Spur currently. He makes no difference out there.

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    A moveable contract but you wouldn’t get anything in return and probably have to compensate the receiving team for taking him on.

    He is certainly my least favourite Spur currently. He makes no difference out there.
    Tall shooters are getting 18 mil a year every free agency and even Forbes gets traded for a second rounder yet you think he has negative value. That is the very definition of value not what is in your head.

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    I’ve been happy with McBuckets overall. He had a few games where he tried to do to much. I think his contract is a small overpay, but his ability to make good cuts and finish at the rim was been better than expected for me. I only wish he was a better rebounder for his position. I knew his defense was mostly trash, but he tries.

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    Tall shooters are getting 18 mil a year every free agency and even Forbes gets traded for a second rounder yet you think he has negative value. That is the very definition of value not what is in your head.
    He has been 40% or so on moderate volume… 5 a game. Never said negative value just think he is an overpay. If he was shooting that on 8-10 shots than yeah thats a great contract.

    His height is hardly relevant when he is a terrible defender. Brynn has similar numbers at a 3rd of the price in less minutes which is why his contract had some value.

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    Doug vs Forbes comparison is crazy! Doug is a way better player and has a higher bbiq…..not even close

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    Doug’s contract will not be hard to trade if necessary.

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    He has been 40% or so on moderate volume… 5 a game. Never said negative value just think he is an overpay. If he was shooting that on 8-10 shots than yeah thats a great contract.

    His height is hardly relevant when he is a terrible defender. Brynn has similar numbers at a 3rd of the price in less minutes which is why his contract had some value.
    You know its relevant.

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    Doug is a streaky player. It’s a cliche, but in a better team, he would be very sought after, knocking down shots for tier 1 getting double team. If and when Spurs get that Tier 1 player, Doug would play that critical role. Can Keldon play that role with his deadly 3pts? Maybe. And that’s something PATFO could evaluate this off-season.

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    Doug vs Forbes comparison is crazy! Doug is a way better player and has a higher bbiq…..not even close
    Doug’s contract will not be hard to trade if necessary.
    Seems like a contradiction.
    Why is he next to impossible to trade?

    Bear in mind "better then Forbes" is an extremely low bar.

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    Seems like a contradiction.
    Why is he next to impossible to trade?

    Bear in mind "better then Forbes" is an extremely low bar.
    Please read previous post and connect the dots….. not hard to figure out pimp!

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    Please read previous post and connect the dots….. not hard to figure out pimp!
    Don't don't see any connecting dots.

    McDermott certainly having a good shooting February.
    Still don't think his contract would be easy to move but would love to get a great return if / when.

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    Don't don't see any connecting dots.

    McDermott certainly having a good shooting February.
    Still don't think his contract would be easy to move but would love to get a great return if / when.
    Duncan Robinson vs Doug McDermott is a fair comp right? The heat didn’t batt an eye giving him 5/90 because shooting is at a premium ( remember the corpse of forbes fetched a second ). 14 per is ok according to market…

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    Duncan Robinson vs Doug McDermott is a fair comp right? The heat didn’t batt an eye giving him 5/90 because shooting is at a premium ( remember the corpse of forbes fetched a second ). 14 per is ok according to market…
    Context matters. Duncan Robinson got that contract as a 25yr old shooting 44% on 8 attempts from beyond the arc with the Heat coming off a Finals appearance. At the time the Hwat would have been silly to let him walk for nothing.

    McDermott is a very moveable contract but you aren’t getting much if anything for him in return and I’m confiident he has underperformed PATFOs expectations. He got a nice pay raise, guaranteed money, green light to shoot with a secure starting spot and has done little.

    Where he does have value is to another team well over the cap who isn’t hard capped so they get to add a decent veteran 3pt shooter in return for an expiring and maybe we get some small compensation for the trade.
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    Duncan Robinson has had a serious drop off since he got paid after he had a very good performance in the 2020 Bubble Finals run.
    It happens.
    Yet the Heat are in 1st.
    Could McForbesbot go to a contender and add?
    I don't know i don't think so but again, if a contender thinks so and is willing to add to the Spurs rebuild then excellent.

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    Duncan Robinson vs Doug McDermott is a fair comp right? The heat didn’t batt an eye giving him 5/90 because shooting is at a premium ( remember the corpse of forbes fetched a second ). 14 per is ok according to market…
    The Forbes example isn’t great. Forbes returned an SRP as he is an expiring contract on a small deal. Also, the use of “the corpse of Forbes” doesn’t help your argument as it implies he is a s of his prior self when actually he was playing at a similiar level to other years.

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    Floor spacing and efficient, mid level volume 3 pt shooting is what he offers. Everyone knows this.

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    Some people�������� Bro, are you really carrying on about Dougie? His value is accurately been assessed. The modest contract coupled with let’s say Josh Richardsons’ could net a valuable asset…. Many options are available

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    I’m not going to go into the plethora of possibilities that might occur����

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    Context matters. Duncan Robinson got that contract as a 25yr old shooting 44% on 8 attempts from beyond the arc with the Heat coming off a Finals appearance. At the time the Hwat would have been silly to let him walk for nothing.

    McDermott is a very moveable contract but you aren’t getting much if anything for him in return and I’m confiident he has underperformed PATFOs expectations. He got a nice pay raise, guaranteed money, green light to shoot with a secure starting spot and has done little.

    Where he does have value is to another team well over the cap who isn’t hard capped so they get to add a decent veteran 3pt shooter in return for an expiring and maybe we get some small compensation for the trade.
    Well they could have signed Forbes for 1/4 the value and 85 mil less guaranteed.

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