You’re definitely posting from your burner ^^
I’ve never been on the Walker bandwagon but concede he has recently played well enough to garner a QO and probably get the MLE.You’re definitely posting from your burner ^^
JCrawford and LouWill were some of the best to ever come off the bench as an instant bucket. Lonnie hasn’t been able to do that consistently for half a season.
Again with this Crawford and Williams nonsense. They were/are combo guards who can create their own shot. Walker IV is more of an off ball scorer. He needs someone to either create for him or something to be ran for him so that he has a head start on the defense.
Hopefully they're not fooled with this latest (overblown) stretch and either cut him loose or go no further than the QO.
right now josh richardson is our only guard hitting 3's at an acceptable rate. only murray is shown to be good enough to not be too concerned about it. lonnie/primo/vassell all need to be shooting better
have you looked at how many shots he is taking over the last 6 to get those points. He is not shooting efficiently. His FT% also is not very good.I don’t know why some posters here expect Lonnie to do more. He’s been bringing spark off the bench in the tune of 18pts ppg in the last 10 games. That’s more than what anyone can expect from a 6th man. I would be very happy if he takes the MLE.
The comparison was because Lonnie is a streaky scorer but not much defense. Well there, Crawford and Williams both multiple 6th man awards with admittedly no defense.
The point is people here expects starters production from Lonnie. The guy is coming off the bench, and putting in 18pts ppg the last 10 games. If he can consistently put 18pts ppg off the bench, heck that’s great. But people here, but his defense sucks. Well Crawford averaged 14.6 ppg coming off the bench and played no defense.
Last edited by John B; 03-17-2022 at 07:02 PM.
When was the last time you watched a game? Lonnie an off-ball scorer?The kid can create for himself and others. Albeit not consistently before 10 games ago. But Lonnie does not need anyone to create for him. Off-ball scorer?
Here’s for your reference.
FG% 45.3. 3P% 40.6%. FT%. 74.2 PPG 18.3
SPLITS GP MIN FG% 3P% FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
L10 9 26.0 45.3 40.6 74.2 2.4 1.7 0.1 0.4 1.2 0.6 18.3
^ outside FT, those are solid shooting numbers tbh
Last 10 games 72% of Lonnie FGM is assisted.When was the last time you watched a game? Lonnie an off-ball scorer?
I don’t know where you get that. But Lonnie is far from an off-ball scorer. He can create for himself and facilitate at times. He can penetrate at will. The issue was consistency and weak defense.
If he doesn’t have a defender out of position before he puts the ball down, he passes it away. He only drives with an opening. Haven’t seen him cross over the initial defender in weeks.
Wait, why do you WANT to see Walker cross a guy over like he's on a blacktop? People were trying to on Lonnie for not passing last week, and now he passes too much? Walker has always tried to fit within the offense. When he doesn't have the best shot, he rarely takes it. You could argue it's a flaw when a player does that an scores like 10 points a game. But when a guy is scoring 20 points most nights, it's good shot-selection. In the same way, Walker doesn't keep the ball and drive one-on-one very often because that's not good basketball. He's far more likely to use a screen or, you know, just shoot the ball on the catch rather than trying to dribble into a bad shot like many players on the team do.
RT posted the stats to show Walker's assisted makes. He's right in line with basically every other rotation wing. During the Beautiful game season, no one had fewer than half of their field goals assisted other than Parker, Joseph and Jeffers. That includes Manu. The idea that Walker is SUPPOSED to get unassisted buckets is an hetical to what many people want from the team. Supposedly, DeRozan had to go because he was a black hole on offense. Meanwhile it's a problem that Walker is scoring well without having to dominate the ball, and it's bad? And then when he doesn't pass as much as he usual does, it's also bad?
I just don't think the criticisms of Walker really have a throughline anymore.
I said last 6 for a reason. His first 4 games of the 10 really help out his fg % as all were about 50%. when you look at last 6 his numbers are not as good.
Walker shooting is a good thing. Even if it’s low efficiency. It’s what he should’ve been doing for the past 2 years. He needs to be a streaky shooter who is a gunner and calls his own number. Who the should he create for anyways? It takes time to get your move set down in games. Also 18 points in 26 minutes a game is behind impressive. What player do we have that can do that other than Lonnie?
Lonnie has low bball iq and no feel for the game. So keep the simple for him until he eventually (hopefully) learns what to do the more experience he gets. Just look to score. That’s it. Call your number and be aggressive.
You fooling yourself here. You need players to take advantage of that head start . Lonnie is the only one capable on this spurs team. The orher is Devin but his play of late has declined on both ends.
What makes players like Crawford and Williams special is they have the required skill and savy through experience on finding ways to score. They certainly cant take advantage when they have a step on their man like Lonnie can so yes they are different. Give Lonnie 10 years in the league. You could see the same .
This thread just shows me how little some posters here understand NBA basketball. Spurs would be stupid to let Lonnie walk with his current level of play.
People want to talk about advanced stats and net ratings without actually providing context of who Lonnie is playing next to. When Lonnie is playing with the starters - basically in place of McDermott, the lineup is 1.4+ per 100 possessions. In those situations where it was Derrick instead of Vassel, its negative. This fits perfectly into what we've seen since the deadline. Lonnie without Derrick White is a much more positive player. Same goes for Devin.
Now, of course when its next to primo, Tre jones, and Zach Collins, the lineup is hugely negative. I WONDER WHY. MUST BE LONNIES FAULT.
https://www.basketball-reference.com...1/lineups/2022
Look at the two man combinations. Lonnie with primo or Lonnie with Tre Jones are both incredibly negative. Lonnie with others, positive.
Don't be so ing lazy as to look at stats without context.
The reason Lonnie's net ratings aren't up in March isn't because of him - its because he's being drug down by Primo and Jones.
Last edited by MannyIsGod; 03-18-2022 at 01:38 AM.
Agree with sentiments above, lots of goalpost moving. The basic question for me has always been: is it worth giving him a DJ/White level extension last summer/now or is it better to let the market set his (lower) price and decide whether it’s worth the match?
I still don’t see the evidence to suggest the spurs where to wrong to wait on him.
I’d be extremely hesitant to pull the trigger on any type of extension that commits us to Lonnie over 8-10 mil per season. I really don’t like how he has only decided to start showing some focus and putting up stats when he is fighting to get paid. He’s been so lost out there for so long, I just don’t trust it. I could easily see him reverting back after he locks up a deal.
Not talking about assists. Pretty much give up on that. Sean talks about two types of passes in his commentary, basically productive and unproductive. Productive passes happen when you penetrate, causing the defense to rotate, and pass to an open man. Unproductive passes happen off of no action.
Yes, I absolutely want Lonnie to at least TRY to break down that first man. Doesn't have to lead to a score for him. Could easily lead to one of those productive passes. If you don't attack the defense, they get to stand still and cover their man with ease.
And then you have Devin Vassell, who in the 5 man combos has one 0.0, and one -2.0, and everything else is positive, some HUGELY so. Vassell should be force fed the ball and given those minutes. Doesn't really seem to matter too much WHO he plays with. He's a 3 level scorer who ACTUALLY plays some defense, and elevates his teammates when on the floor.
The Spurs have a glut of wings with four picks in the upcoming draft plus a ton of cap space.
Let Lonnie walk. Up until a month ago Lonnie was flat out bad. Even now he's really only decent when you factor in his defense.
Ok but so? The Spurs should keep both. Devins role is very much different than that of Lonnie and both are good prospects. Even if the Spurs don't know if they plan to keep Lonnie more than a year or two they should still sign him to a deal as opposed to letting him walk.
This is the same people in the past said about DJM and White. You guys need to understand that you don't draft an asset and then turn around and let him walk just when he's starting to come through on his value. People are in here balking at giving Lonnie an MLE type deal when it wouldn't hurt the Spurs at all to do so there there is a very good chance that such a deal will turn out to be a great value the way DJM's extension (and to a lesser extent White's) were. Unless the bottom falls out for Lonnie, its not really possible for him to be an incredibly bad contract for that amount. Its just not that much money and Lonnie isn't going to have a floor like someone such as Forbes.
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