Official 2022 NBA Draft thread

[duncan2150]

One thing that frustrates me to no end is watching other teams constantly outhustle us for rebounds, especially when we are on defense. For this reason, I want us to draft a dominant rebounder, one of the best in college, who is also developing his offensive game. C Oscar Tshiebwe is the guy I want. He also fits the Spurs character and he would instantly become a fan favorite down here in SA.

I think you're right about the issue, spurs needs something inside but i think there are better players than Tshiebwe overral, who can rebound and protect the paint , so i will go with Mark Williams, Koloko or Kessler before Tshiebwe. Imo they are more complete and they have more upside.

If they are not available, Oscar could be a good second round pick imo.

[exstatic]

Potentially the oldest player to be drafted. Character red flags and looks like a 30 year old.

It’s almost impossible to properly age players from Africa. Many of them lack basic official papers like birth certificates.

There is speculation that Serge Ibaka was as old as 25 when he entered the league.

We have a next level defensive rebounder on the roster. His name is Devontae Cacok. His DRB% is 33.5. Translated into English, with ten guys on the floor, every time the other team puts up a shot, one guy, Devontae, gets 1/3 of the rebounds. 1 out of every 3. It’s also not a fluke. He was an elite rebounder in College and in the gleague.

[exstatic]

My dream scenario:
1 SA
2 Wash
3 New Orleans
4 New York

We win, Portland gets double ed by losing the New Orleans (protected 1-4) pick AND getting pushed back four spots, and the hard tanking teams all get booted out of the top four.

[duncan2150]

March Madness has been another indicator that this draft appears to be very weak compared to previous drafts, both at the top and the lottery as a whole.

You need at least 2-3 years to evaluate a draft. I don't think March Madness is a big indicator. Offcourse you could see players with guts but if we talked about this year , Ivey for example was clutch and then not that good when Purdue lost to St Peters, same thing for mathurin last two games...

Last year, Wagner struggled, we did not see Barnes in the MM.

[Biggems]

Potentially the oldest player to be drafted. Character red flags and looks like a 30 year old.

character red flags?

From what I have seen, he is a devout Christian, who grew up in church and was taught good morals and values from his parents. He seems to live his life based on his purpose for God and to do right by his parents. So, please give me some of those red flags.

Also, who gives a how old or young he looks. All that matters is does he fit our system and our needs and I firmly believe he does. I believe he is a team first player, willing to do the dirty work for the success of the team. I do not see him as a glory hound or a fame . Also, on offense he doesn't seem like a chucker.

[Dejounte]

Getting an elite rebounding center is no use if the other big in the line up isn’t boxing out for him. A player who gets big rebounding numbers never does it by himself. Poeltl would have bigger rebounding numbers if the other guys knew how to box out for him. It’s also the style of play— if a team wants to push the pace the other way, they can’t have two players staying behind for defensive rebounds. So it’s a tug of war between what a team wants: two good rebounding big men and a slower pace offensively or a fast pace team with one good rebounding big man (which Poeltl is above average at), but a bad rebounding team overall. Drafting a center for his rebounding skills would be a marginal improvement to the team at best. The team will have to pick a direction: 1) doubling down on their small ball, hybrid offense or 2) go traditional and beat teams with an inside/out slower offense. The latter would need an elite big man, IMO. And elite big men rarely come from past the top five picks. Star guards/ wings are much likelier to be found where the Spurs are projected to pick.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Ivey with 9 points against Saint Peter's pathetic, Chet also went out bad with 11 points, Jabari 10 points. Banchero is the only one that has stepped up so far from the projected top 4.

[rankingtear]

character red flags?

From what I have seen, he is a devout Christian, who grew up in church and was taught good morals and values from his parents. He seems to live his life based on his purpose for God and to do right by his parents. So, please give me some of those red flags.

Also, who gives a how old or young he looks. All that matters is does he fit our system and our needs and I firmly believe he does. I believe he is a team first player, willing to do the dirty work for the success of the team. I do not see him as a glory hound or a fame . Also, on offense he doesn't seem like a chucker.

Devout Christians have no red flags? He straight up lied on an athletic article trashing his former coach and admitted it after.

[Biggems]

Devout Christians have no red flags? He straight up lied on an athletic article trashing his former coach and admitted it after.

was that the school he left to go to Kentucky?

[Ariel]

If the Spurs fall to 9 or 10 in the draft I think they are better off just drafting for need and picking Sochan or Eason and filling that need at the 4 spot even if its a slight reach. Then they can take some swings with the other two 1sts.

Provided the Spurs don't get lucky with their own pick, think it would be possible and desirable to get BOTH. They're likely to go between 10 and 15 IMO, and maybe they could use the 2nd rounder or something else on top of the Toronto pick to go up a few positions, and make it happen. With the last first rounder (Boston's) there's likely still some big wing with potential available (like Jovic, Baldwin, etc), or a young center (Koloko, Kamagate), and if you can't land a star prospect, three good ones than fit a need would be pretty damn good.

[ZeusWillJudge]

character red flags?<br>
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From what I have seen, he is a devout Christian, who grew up in church and was taught good morals and values from his parents. He seems to live his life based on his purpose for God and to do right by his parents. So, please give me some of those red flags.<br>
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Also, who gives a how old or young he looks. All that matters is does he fit our system and our needs and I firmly believe he does. I believe he is a team first player, willing to do the dirty work for the success of the team. I do not see him as a glory hound or a fame . Also, on offense he doesn't seem like a chucker.

If he is older than advertised, the problem isn't about his character - not for me at least. It's that he's a man competing against boys, for the most part, and you have to discount his numbers when you evaluate. I've said it before - there are a bunch of guys in the G-League who would look like stars if they were allowed to go back right now and compete against college boys. Pretty much every season, there are a couple of guys in college who came to basketball late. And the scouting reports always say some flavor of this: "...but he will have to expand his reportoire to succeed at the next level." And I try to watch those guys. Rarely ever do they actually expand their reportoire and become significant at the next level. Remember Bismack Biyombo, and how crazy most people were about his "upside" before the draft? Biyombo is probably Tsiebwe's ceiling in the NBA.

I commented on Tshiebwe a day or two ago, and said that I would really like to see him succeed and get paid. But there are several other big bruisers that will probably be available that have more game, and I think are more likely improve before they're too old for it to matter. Is he a good guy? Sure seems to be. If I came from the Congo, would I lie about my age to try and get paid an NBA salary? No question about it, I would. And I hope he does. But I think the Spurs can do better in this draft.

[Biggems]

If he is older than advertised, the problem isn't about his character - not for me at least. It's that he's a man competing against boys, for the most part, and you have to discount his numbers when you evaluate. I've said it before - there are a bunch of guys in the G-League who would look like stars if they were allowed to go back right now and compete against college boys. Pretty much every season, there are a couple of guys in college who came to basketball late. And the scouting reports always say some flavor of this: "...but he will have to expand his reportoire to succeed at the next level." And I try to watch those guys. Rarely ever do they actually expand their reportoire and become significant at the next level. Remember Bismack Biyombo, and how crazy most people were about his "upside" before the draft? Biyombo is probably Tsiebwe's ceiling in the NBA.

I commented on Tshiebwe a day or two ago, and said that I would really like to see him succeed and get paid. But there are several other big bruisers that will probably be available that have more game, and I think are more likely improve before they're too old for it to matter. Is he a good guy? Sure seems to be. If I came from the Congo, would I lie about my age to try and get paid an NBA salary? No question about it, I would. And I hope he does. But I think the Spurs can do better in this draft.

fair enough argument and no disagreement from me on your take.

[TD 21]

This is an interesting idea but poodle doesn’t really move any needles and a prospect like Banchero can likely return a much more impactful player. With the drop after 5 I’m not so sure a 9th or 10th pick is that enticing.

I hope it is.

If these idiots mess around and quality for the play-in, obviously it'll be even more difficult to pull something like this off. But a team like the Knicks, trying to be compe ive while loading up on assets for the next available star, could prefer that package to a single pick.

Moving up into the second tier for Murray would obviously be more likely though.

Agreed...Portland is in a tough spot...they may not even know what they're doing yet.. just trying to get the highest possible pick to have as many options as possible. To a lesser degree we're in the same boat....even if we wanted to package assets to go after a star...who's gonna be available?

Not quite a star, but if the Spurs strikeout on the consensus top 3 + Murray, I could see them pursuing Collins.

Something like Richardson, Spurs 1st, Celtics 1st. Maybe it gets expanded to include either Bogdanovic or Gallinari as well as McDermott.

[Mr. Body]

Why the do people keep wanting John Collins?

[TD 21]

Poor reading comprehension.

[Mr. Body]

John Collins. ing hilarious.

[TD 21]

I said "I could see" and you decided that automatically meant I wanted to see.

I will say though, they're clearly not interested in a full scale re-build, he'd be a good theoretical fit and more than likely better than anyone they draft.

[Dejounte]

IMO, JC has peaked. I don’t think he’s really set that high of a bar for younger players to reach. Just my opinion though.

[scott]

Find a way to turn this year’s draft into Mathurin and Eason, call it day

[TD 21]

Not sure how a relatively healthy (no torn Achilles, ACL, MCL, meniscus, etc.) 24 year old has peaked and even if he had, he's done so at a level the Spurs pick is highly unlikely to reach.

[Dejounte]

Not sure how a relatively healthy (no torn Achilles, ACL, MCL, meniscus, etc.) 24 year old has peaked and even if he had, he's done so at a level the Spurs pick is highly unlikely to reach.

In what ways could his game grow? The only way would be an improved post game, but that doesn’t happen by development. Bigs naturally have it or they don’t. He’s too stiff to be any more than an average ball handler. There’s really not much more improvement to be made. He’s not all of a sudden going to turn into a defensive monster.

JC was selected 19th. It’s not really a stretch to say that the 10th pick or whatever or even their second FRP has some chance to reach his level. Again, I don’t think JC is blowing anyone away with his play.

[Degoat]

Find a way to turn this year’s draft into Mathurin and Eason, call it day

That would be a really sweet scenario I’m high on both of those guys

[TD 21]

In what ways could his game grow? The only way would be an improved post game, but that doesn’t happen by development. Bigs naturally have it or they don’t. He’s too stiff to be any more than an average ball handler. There’s really not much more improvement to be made. He’s not all of a sudden going to turn into a defensive monster.

JC was selected 19th. It’s not really a stretch to say that the 10th pick or whatever or even their second FRP has some chance to reach his level. Again, I don’t think JC is blowing anyone away with his play.

Oh, you mean plateaued. Fair enough.

That's flawed thinking. He's significantly out performed his draft slot and is a top starter or tier below an All-Star. The 10th pick or whatever in this draft is unlikely to equal or best that.

[GAustex]

#5 from Duke
Prolly a pipe dream

[BackHome]

Yeah add 5 and that is probably where we drafting #10 still I guess it gives us a shot at players like Duren, Daniels, Sochan, Tari - Oh we now stacked to make a run for the playoffs...lol............NOT...............SMH... .............It get even tier it looks like our Boston pick is going to be 27 which really sucks which will probably 99% be a Euro draft and stash