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^ Fair points, also.
Primo’s trajectory has been fine. 90% of Spurstalk’s expectations were always irrational. He hasn’t shown anything at the collegiate, G-League or NBA level to warrant what many here thought of him.
^ Fair points, also.
Wonder if Manu has any player dev style and strategy input or if its the Crater Face Show 100% until he passes?
OTOH Manu excelled with Popped as coach so it can be done.
Primo - Manu conversation: Would love to hear.
What you talkin' bout, Willis?
He has lots of problems doing both of these, not sure which game youre watching?
Well maybe I should clarify...He may not have any problem putting it on the floor for a bucket, but he just rarely succeeds at this, nor the passout.
He routinely turns the ball over in the paint and practically never gets to the bucket when the other team's defense is set. He only scores in transition or off the jumper.
Any claim to the contrary is fiddlesticks.
This may be a fair statement. A large portion of my disappointment is that he is an entirely different player than I expected. He's never gonna be the slashing finish at the rim type player. He simply doesn't have that quickness. He could develop into a 3 and D guy though thats better even than a Danny Green type. But thats his trajectory as of now.
Honestly, I was so pissed we didnt take Sengun I had to talk myself into Primo being a potential future Booker. That's who I had hopes he could become.
I was wrong. He won't. And those were my hopes, not based on actual game tape though, only delusional Spurs-homer expectations. They were irrational and thats on me.
However, to be fair, Pop plays him primarily at the 1 or 2 moreso than at the 3. So it seems the staff is trying to make him more of a facilitator or ball handler than his skills demonstrate he should.
And I can kind of see why for several reasons.
He has court vision, he has the mentality to look at an ongoing play at multiple levels and he has some skill to do what he wants on the floor.
When I say he has some skill, I mean he has some good foundations to build upon, not that he has ready-made elite skills.
He's just a shade slow, a shade off on the pass angle, a shade dull on the pass speed... just shades off, but you can see him and his plans while he's working and things are already improving.
His handling is getting better. His shot is looking less like an injury waiting to happen as he's adjusting to it. Dude's a sponge it seems.
He's a kid and, with good coaching, he'll cull the bad and emphasize the good that he can do and then we can truly start seeing the player he can become.
I'm more than willing to give him a bit of time to hone his craft with this team and their development crew.
One thing I will say for certain: he's not going to go the way of Samanic. Probably not Lonnie either.
And he's already not being treated like them at this point in his career. Maybe that's a sign of encouragement, maybe that's a sign of Pop knowing this is a developmental team and is coaching as such.
Godspeed Joshua. We all want you to succeed.
I hope he proves us wrong but I think a bigger and potentially better shooting D White is a realistic goalpost.
The biggest intangible i’ve seen so far is he isn’t afraid to take a big shot.
How did you talk to yourself into Primo as a slashing finisher and above the rim player? And Booker isn't even that player. Booker isn't all that athletic. This is very confusing.
This is good playing time for the kid. Hopefully he gets more minutes next season. Those growth plates doh
I would be very Happy if he is a better Danny Green as he has shown flashes that he can hit the 3 ball and well hopefully he will work on his individual D, but he is a good help defender.
Right now Primo is doing ok, there were expectations considering where he was drafted and who was still left (Sengun). I like the kid but in retrospect he probably would have been drafted in the 20's. We'll never truly know since there is so much bs going on on draft night. Some players rise , some unexpectedly drop. We can speculate all we want, but will never know.
Primo looks like a legit NBA player at 19. Not a superstar or a prodigy, a legit NBA player.
His prime is likely a decade away. An entire Decade away..
Kid is doing great and seems to still be growing. Pessimistic obsessions over Primo being available later in the draft are pretty odd. One of the best franchises at evaluating talent took him in the lottery and reports are the thunder had him high as well and they're not exactly bad at evaluation either.
He was a good pick. Whether he will be a great one, noone knows.
There are kids Primo’s age who just finished high school. He’s VERY young and an unfinished product. Judging him on this season does little good. Let’s see where he is 12-18 months from now.
My question is, who expected him to be a defense-first player? I didn't. I thought that would be an end where he struggles, and he's doing just fine. I doubt the Spurs cared much about his confidence. Primo has talent, but he doesn't have so much talent that him taking the ball is best for the team. He's not a guy like Walker who has amazing physical gifts but just can't harness them. He's going to have to be a cerebral player who learns to read his defender and set him up. That means he might not be a microwave guy like Lonnie hopefully will be, but he can be a great individual scorer and offensive centerpiece if he develops properly. He feels like another player in the DeRozan/Murray role who will continue to get better for a long time as he gains experience. I think against inexperienced college defenders, Primo would have shown that kind of scoring ability in a hypothetical sop re season at Alabama. The curve will likely take longer in the NBA, but that why the team used the pick on him early.
For context, Keldon Johnson had moments where his shot looked good his first season.
We don't know what Primo is yet and he looks like a 10ppg guy already.. Maybe he is never more than that but we don't know. He has a ton of growing to do. Murray wasn't worth anything til this is what his sixth season?
Booker routinely finishes at the rim as often as he pulls up for a midrange or for a 3.
And if you reread what I wrote, youd see I clearly said Primo being a Booker was an irrational hope of mine, but there were others here with those expectations. I was wrong.
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Sit back and enjoy the process…. You boys don’t have to know everything today! Josh Primo hopefully make a nice jump next year
Primo literally does both of those things. He had a nice throw-down last game and he has step-backs in his game we're not seeing right now. He's also bigger than Booker is.
I don't know why people are ting themselves about Primo's athleticism.
Nice to see us debating this instead of why we are the only bad team playing our starters and trying to win every game.
Regardless, Josh Primo is 19 as of a few months ago (December). He is playing with grown men that are highly talented. Anything he does this season is a plus. He should suck in the NBA right now and it will take at least 3 years of development to know if he will star or fade. But I though Murray was terrible his first 2-3 years and now he's an all-star and the best player on the team. It takes time for raw talent to develop. It doesn't always develop, but if it ever does, it's generally not in the first season for an 18 year old.
I agree with Mr Body here - why are you thinking it's an "irrational hope" that Primo could become a Booker-like player (of course, how close to Booker he'll get is anyone's guess, that's not the point)?
Booker isn't all that athletic nor quick, and he can dunk about as well as Primo can - efficient, lower-level dunks, nothing too crazy. What makes Booker so good is both his insane shooting ability from everywhere on the court, and the amount of moves he pulls to lose his defender, or the quality of "unguardable" shots he can pull off fading away. None of these are beyond Primo's eventual reach, and he's shown from day 1 that he's a shooter kind of player, which I love and the Spurs desperately need.
Primo's gone cold as of late but that's not an indictment at all on how he'll turn out - do you remember anything at all about Booker's rookie season? I'd guess not; you remember what he's doing now at 25, and a bit of his 23-24 seasons at most. Primo's six years away from where Booker is now, and coincidentally, both came into the league really young, too. I'd say it's a worse delusion to flat out say you were wrong, now, than it was to dream him up in the first place. Who's to know? Let the kid play, learn and grow, FFS.
As an addendum, you gotta remember too that Booker had an awful reputation his first couple years. Wasn't seen as a good player, was an inefficient chucker, was the poster boy for "good stats on a team", et al. It took some more top-lottery picks like Ayton, Bridges, and one of the best vets in the league in CP3, to turn his team (and image) around. But Devin's individual game didn't change all that much, which goes to show you how multi-factored this all is.
I'm not worried at all for Primo and it's far too early to put any kind of glass ceiling over his head, tbh.
I had season tickets that year.
Duncan was the very raw third string center behind two other freshmen at the beginning of the year, designated for mop-up duties.
1st stringer, Maktar N'Diaye, started the first few games. Then the NCAA declared that N'Diaye couldn't play for Wake Forest because a Wake Forest Baptist missionary had too much alumni contact in the recruiting process.
Initial second stringer, Ricky Peral, started the next few, moving Duncan to backup. Then the NCAA declared that Peral couldn't play for a year because Peral was given too high of a per diem to play for the Spanish under 21 FIBA team. Peral became the starting PF the next three years.
Boom, the inexperienced Duncan starts his first game against North Carolina and the returning All-American Eric Montross. The scrub dominated Montross on both ends of the court. It was amazing. Montross was drafted 9th at the end of the season. And yes, Duncan would have been drafted much higher. The draft went Glenn Robinson, Jason Kidd, Grant Hill. I saw home games against California and Duke, and Jason Kidd had the best game of any player in in Wake game [probably the best in my 6.5 years of season tickets], then Duncan had the next best umpteen.
Primo was basically non-existent last night then Pop yelled at him and he came to life and started getting into the lane and making plays. It was brief but good to see.
His three point shot is broken right now, hasn't looked good in awhile.
Primo clearly has talent but he is extremely passive. Hoping this is just a rookie trying to fit in thing and he grabs the reigns next season because he is like pre-White trade Lonnie out there most of the time, just invisible on the court
Primo is still more aggressive than start of his 4th season Lonnie.
yeah, primo doesn't come off as passive to me.
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