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    Is there a reason why a 3.5 at the four spot is preferable to a 4.5? With the recent push by the Spurs to play a 4.5 (Landale) over a 3.5 (Keldon, debatably KBD, McDermott) and seeing its benefits on rebounding and on the defensive end, it seems optimal to try to find an upgrade over Landale if there’s an opportunity to do so. Liddell’s strengths appear to be on ball defense on the perimeter and changing shots at the 3 point line while being a force with weakside blocking— these are all elements of the perfect 4.5 for any team given that the most common complaint against playing a 4.5 (with a true 5) is their lack of agility.
    Obviously, there are always exceptions, but typically the 3.5's have better ball skills and agility.

    I'm not opposed to a 4.5, I'm just saying there's no recent evidence of their being interested in them.

    I view their playing bigger at times recently more necessity based than intentional because the need for 3-point shooting is obviously exacerbated with McDermott out and Landale provides more of it than Bates-Diop.

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    The “ap ude for learning” is what Primo has in spades.

    It’s going to take more research into these prospects than simply watching their highlights if we want to figure out which of them have that character or ap ude for learning-attribute. Some guys say stuff for fluff, but it’s those you will find in the deep corners of the internet where an interview with so and so’s coach says prospect X stays in the gym longer than anybody and has an extremely high basketball IQ. I really wonder which ones they are.

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    I was just watching a two hour vid on Dyson and my oh my his on ball defense is elite. His footwork on defense is excellent. He may just be too good and too versatile to pass up if he’s there at the first FRP the Spurs have. His closeouts are really good too. The Spurs defense would be much improved if he was drafted.

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    I said this before he kinda reminds me of Murray, but man I watch him shoot a lot if Air Balls - Chip will definitely have his work cut out for him if we draft him

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    I said this before he kinda reminds me of Murray, but man I watch him shoot a lot if Air Balls - Chip will definitely have his work cut out for him if we draft him
    Yes to another taller Murray. Though I’m not sure if Dyson will have the same will and determination to be something great in the NBA. But his IQ is there.

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    I'd be surprised to see Keegan Murray go past Indiana esp after trading off Sabonis.
    Agree. Keegan has Carlyl written all over it. I think he’s firmly in the “top 5” now.

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    If the Spurs are picking late lottery instead of at the 9th or 10th pick, it makes sense to go for a homerun type pick. Players who look like they have the tools to be a star but it’s not plainly obvious (hence being available in late lottery). I mean, how do guys like Giannis and Kawhi end up there at 15th anyway? For Giannis, it was questions over if he even knew how to play organized basketball. For Kawhi, it was his lack of burst and unexciting athleticism. But both had one thing going for them: they were physically unique and had skills that were uncommon for a player their height.

    Maybe let’s take a look at late lotto guys who may be a tad similar:

    Tari Eason - only slightly older than the age Kawhi came out. Has a similar style, and his advanced metrics are favorable.
    Dyson Daniels - if he’s truly 6’7” now, his exceptional passing skills become twice as appealing
    Sochan - he’s young and huge for a 19 year old 3.5.
    PBJ - I recently watched this dude’s lowlights and he settled for bad shots far too often. But, he’s extremely young and maybe can still be molded into something great.

    Baldwin had a terrible season, considering his expectations. But he went to Milwaukee to help bail out his father's program. His dad had him playing as a guard, which was totally wrong. I saw him play several games, and it looked to me like he was pressing all the time. At least some of his struggles came from playing out of position on a dumpster fire of a team.

    He was listed as 6'8", 190 lbs. in high school. He was listed as 6'9", 230 lbs. in college. Several people swear he's actually 6'10". Unfortunately one of those people is his dad, who I wouldn't trust if he told me what time it is. But if you see him on the floor next to other guys, he looks like he might be a legit 6'9".

    He absolutley can shoot the long ball, even though he didn't shoot it well this season. He has a solid stroke, and I think his confidence will come back if he's handled well his rookie season.

    The point is, he's got the right build to be a real stretch-4. He needs to bulk up just a little, but most guys coming out of college after their freshmen season do. I just don't know if he'll ever have the aggression to bang as a PF. I think he would benefit from another year in college, but that's not a smart option for him now. The Spurs would give him time in the G-League to do the same things. He's got the talent, if this year in college didn't ruin him. He's not likely to make any immediate impact, but I wouldn't hate him with the Celtics pick.

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    Is there a reason why a 3.5 at the four spot is preferable to a 4.5? With the recent push by the Spurs to play a 4.5 (Landale) over a 3.5 (Keldon, debatably KBD, McDermott) and seeing its benefits on rebounding and on the defensive end, it seems optimal to try to find an upgrade over Landale if there’s an opportunity to do so. Liddell’s strengths appear to be on ball defense on the perimeter and changing shots at the 3 point line while being a force with weakside blocking— these are all elements of the perfect 4.5 for any team given that the most common complaint against playing a 4.5 (with a true 5) is their lack of agility.
    It is just easier to find a 3.5 who can attack the rim in traffic and shoot above the break 3 with volume. I think most of the 4 in this class have a long way to go in that regard. Almost all of them are playing 5 in college for the most part.

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    I was just watching a two hour vid on Dyson and my oh my his on ball defense is elite. His footwork on defense is excellent. He may just be too good and too versatile to pass up if he’s there at the first FRP the Spurs have. His closeouts are really good too. The Spurs defense would be much improved if he was drafted.
    Nice. Going to take a look at his game.

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    I’ve been deep diving into the prospects and it’s kinda hard to pinpoint what the spurs need tbh lol like I think most would agree we need size so ideally a PF or C but Keldon has been holding it down all year with the PF position even if it’s not his natural position and Jakob and Collins have been really good as the bigs as well.

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    I’ve been deep diving into the prospects and it’s kinda hard to pinpoint what the spurs need tbh lol like I think most would agree we need size so ideally a PF or C but Keldon has been holding it down all year with the PF position even if it’s not his natural position and Jakob and Collins have been really good as the bigs as well.
    The prevailing idea seems to be a PF is needed. Keldon can swing to play SF instead of undersized PF. The team might not struggle against bigger teams as much as they have, for example giving up so many offensive boards against Minnesota last week.

    In that vein, for me it would be Keegan Murray, Tari Eason, Jeremy Sochan, with the order of the last two open for discussion.

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    The prevailing idea seems to be a PF is needed. Keldon can swing to play SF instead of undersized PF. The team might not struggle against bigger teams as much as they have, for example giving up so many offensive boards against Minnesota last week.

    In that vein, for me it would be Keegan Murray, Tari Eason, Jeremy Sochan, with the order of the last two open for discussion.
    Those are the three guys I’m kinda leaning into as well but other then Keegan Murray I don’t feel great about taking Eason or Sochan in the lottery because at that point we’re probably drafting on team needs instead of selecting the best player available.

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    Those are the three guys I’m kinda leaning into as well but other then Keegan Murray I don’t feel great about taking Eason or Sochan in the lottery because at that point we’re probably drafting on team needs instead of selecting the best player available.
    They wouldn't be reaches at #9, not in this draft. They're both lottery picks.

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    I like Jaylin Williams with the picks in the 20s. Good size, good defender & rebounder, can pass. His 3p% is bad, but he shot 73% on ft.

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    Posted this in another thread by accident.

    I am ok with the team at four of the five spots for now tbh (1,2,3 and 5), the 4-spot needs to be improved desperately and that will have positive flow-on effects such as moving Keldon to his natural SF position, and moving McDermott to the bench as the backup 4 which suits his skillset. Making these two lineup changes alone improves the starting lineups rebounding and defense, two areas its severely lacking.

    Improving the 4-spot has to be the main goal of the draft surely. The Spurs have a couple of options here. In the order of likeliness;

    Option 1: Keep the projected 9th pick and take Sochan or Tari Eason as your future 4.

    Option 2: Trade up to the 4-5 range in the draft and pick Keegan Murray. This will cost you assets such as an established player and/or the Spurs other two 1sts projected at 20 and 24.

    Option 3: Keep the projected 9th pick and take the best player available which may be Mathurin, Sharpe or Griffin (depends who the Spurs like) and continue to play undersized at the 4 spot next season.

    Option 4: Pick Jalen Duren and trade Jakob for a PF. I think OG Anunoby is gettable as they have Siakam and Barnes at the 3/4 spots. Not saying the Raptors take that deal straight up but I think they're definitely looking for a C.

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    Not a chance for OG. He is for Toronto very importand. We dont have assets to get him. Jacob plus picks not enough

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    Option 5: we use the picks to trade for an established PF

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    Surprised Malaki is not lottery yet he just put up a 50-40 season as a freshman. I would take a good look at him before the defensive role players.

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    Surprised Malaki is not lottery yet he just put up a 50-40 season as a freshman. I would take a good look at him before the defensive role players.
    Most front offices draft based on projecting what you will be in the NBA, not numbers put up against lesser compe ion.

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    I think this draft will not be as good as 2021 in the top 8 picks (not bad though), but better from then on, with quite a bit interesting prospects and role players. There's a real chance you could still find value in the 20-25 range of the Boston and Toronto picks, and even in the early 2nd rounder from the Lakers. Of course its all contingent of a lot of cir stances, and it'd be awesome to move up to the late lottery (I'd love to get Eason and Sochan), but with the draft and one or two free agents (Jalen Smith?) this could very well be a pivotal offseason and next year a breakout one.

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    Surprised Malaki is not lottery yet he just put up a 50-40 season as a freshman. I would take a good look at him before the defensive role players.
    The mocks you see are done by complete amateurs and then a few professionals that are only guessing at this point. The teams haven't even started evaluations yet. At that point, the prognosticators do their jobs of trying to read what's going on.

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    Most front offices draft based on projecting what you will be in the NBA, not numbers put up against lesser compe ion.
    Pretty select company though they are only 7 players with full games with his efficiency and volume as a freshman since 1992 and only 1 did not play in the NBA.

    https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...7&order_by=pts

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    Pretty select company though they are only 7 players with full games with his efficiency and volume as a freshman since 1992 and only 1 did not play in the NBA.

    https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb...7&order_by=pts
    That's a pretty checkered list, and I'm not sure how you go from "most of these guys made the NBA" to "let's spend our lottery pick on this guy". I'm also not sure I want family of LeBron on the roster. Bad flashbacks to Nephew.

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    Surprised Malaki is not lottery yet he just put up a 50-40 season as a freshman. I would take a good look at him before the defensive role players.
    He could totally be a lottery pick, a lot will change since the draft and he's a late riser. Really good player imo, he reminds me of a shorter Middleton, something like that.

    Most front offices draft based on projecting what you will be in the NBA, not numbers put up against lesser compe ion.
    He played in the Big ten ? I also don't understand the projection you're talking about.
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