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So you did miss the point huh?
Nope. Signed up here before you did, chances are I watch basketball before you do. Antetokoumpo was very raw, but a blind man could see he had unique gifts from the second he stepped onto an NBA court, of which the article I posted (by way of Google search) is ONE example not three years after, but less than 2 months into his NBA career. Trying to draw a parallel between Primo's evolution with Giannis' is asinine. If you're going to bring up example, try relevant ones.You must be the new guy……..do a google searchwe’ll talk afterwards
So you did miss the point huh?
So, if it was so clear Greek would be special, why did he go 15 again? Because the 14 that went before him must have been other worldly.
Kid seems nice enough and does have some skills
Lotto pick? So far not a positive influence.
Mind trust could have done better
USA Today:
15. Milwaukee Bucks: SF Giannis Antetokounmpo, Greece
The youngest player in the draft has tremendous potential. But there's not a lot known about him. Antetokounmpo may stay in Greece, as is typical for Greek players, for a few years. He has a great wingspan and is a very smooth athlete. He already has shown great handles and reminds scouts of Nicolas Batum. The Bucks could use help on the wings, but this pick is one for the future, possibly even three or four years down the road. Grade: B
There’s more if you need it……..
I believe the reason Giannis went 15 was because no one believed his draft tapes since they weren't against good talent. But once he was drafted and once he played against NBA talent, I don't think there was much doubt that he was going to be very good. I don't remember for sure, but trying to conflate 1-2 months into the season vs draft/predraft is not good because of how much of an unmown he was prior to playing in the NBA.
In the scenarios where primo is a successful draft pick, there are plenty where he has the year he currently did. There are plenty where that first year also means he's a bust. Its just impossible to tell right now and people acting like they know one way or another are full of . There's no point in arguing about it. None of you see the future.
ST has a very strange set of metrics. DJ was considered a bust two years into his career here and now he's an all-star (no matter how he got in) and a MIP finalist. there are players currently in the playoffs playing quite well that ST would have labeled busts two years into their seasons as well.
Don’t have to know the future if you don’t forget the past. I clearly have stated multiple times above to be patient and we will know soon enough. FYI , you may want to look at Greeks 1st year stats vs Primos. I need you boys to do better
OK, let's make it simple, because you don't seem to follow the argument.
1) You say "Give prospect at least three years to assess talent potential & talent fulfilled" citing as basis for your claim "Greek freak reviews and early reviews"
2) I show you an article, not 3 years after but 7 WEEKS into his NBA career, that already recognizes his incredible potential, disproving the notion that you have to wait years to have any idea.
Therefore my stance that your example was a bad one in making your case (you could have found many better ones). So of course you don't know the whole picture until later on in a players career, and players do take time to reach their potential (some more than others), but it's stupid to pretend nothing can be said until 3 years have gone by.
You still doing this? I’m being nice to you…..
Show some humility and move on Ariel……. Josh is learning and so are you
Dejounte looked better than Primo as a rookie. He had very shaky handles and was so skinny that the smallest contact in a drive affected his efficiency bc he was off balance. He was too thin to finish against NBA athletes at the time, but he was super quick, turning a corner on someone with ease if his handle wasn’t pressed, and he had a few games where he looked really good. Primo hasn’t looked like DJ.
He’s too young to condemn, true but he also hasn’t given enough to be excited about. I would be underwhelmed by a 3/D outcome from him because there were better players in that mold in the draft already producing so I hope he turns out better than that. He’s got a lot to work on, but I’d focus on him getting his shooting back and adding the ballhandling as a complement to start with. I think his shooting opens up the game offensively for him, without it he won’t be as effective. I’d argue that hIs shot disappearing is making him look worse than he is and affected his overall game but we’ll see.
Huh? What I've learned so far is that you're bad at picking examples. Honestly what it is you think you're proving is beyond me.Show some humility and move on Ariel……. Josh is learning and so are you
Dejounte was a year older, was The Guy on his UW team, and had a HOF and likely HOF player to lean into. Not the same. Not even close.
Not worth my time…….. it’s totally beyond you. Be easy����
On the reverse, he’s having good coaching now that DJ didn’t have in college so it’s a wash as far as skills. However, where DJ had the athleticism, specially the quick first step to think something like what he has become was his best outcome, this guy is not that quick. He’ll have to rely on his strength eventually and the threat of his shot to open things up for him.
I am not as damning as others are with the handle bc I recognize like you he wasn’t handling the ball all that much in college and I think that can be improved. I am more concerned about his shot disappearing because I think he needs it to become an effective offensive player, and I hope that’s something that makes a come back next season.
I am hoping that the disappearance of Primo's shooting percentage is because of a reworking of the shot mechanics and will come around. It is unnerving to see a guy who walked in and the one thing he showed was the ability to hit the three at a decent percentage to all of a sudden look like Drewbanks trying to shoot threes.
Listen to pop talk about primo and it is plain to see we might have something here.
Exactly this, and I hope the same.
Unless there's an offer for Primo, I suppose it doesn't really matter how anyone views him at the moment, in which case the wait-and-see approach is fine. But I wonder if those who thought he would've gone top 5 this year had he stayed in school still believe that? Let's say after the lottery, the Pistons have the #5 pick and they call the Spurs, say they're interested in Primo, and and are willing to trade the #5 for him... would you do it?
Interesting Q. The 5 suggest (to me), that your in the middle of the 2nd tier of this draft: Ivey, Sharpe, Keegan. You could expect to have the opportunity to pick from 2 of those guys... I would seriously consider doing that from the Spurs end. I figure I either end up with Sharpe, who I think has a higher ceiling that Primo (athleticism) or Keegan (a better positional fit, and a better player right now but Primo could catch him later due to youth).
Like a duck on a June bug
No one is trading a top five pick for Primo. Once you are in the NBA and the promise you showed before isn’t evident, then you are one of many players still trying to break in, and your value goes downhill to other teams. The guy is too young to give up on, but it’s different when we are talking you have to give up something for him. BTW next season he has to show something, some improvement or his value will go down even further. He would still be very young but a lot of youngins don’t cut it in the NBA if they can’t improve.
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