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    Derozan is next to useless when playing off the ball, Lavine isn’t. Huge difference in terms of fit on this team.

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    That is correct. If he leaves the Bulls (whether FA or S^T) he loses the money he could get vs staying with CHI
    He loses the extra year, not the money, right?

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    The leaked report is he is giving blazers, Hawks, lakers, mavs interviews. No mention of the spurs.
    Would be scary with Luka. He needs a costar.

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    He loses the extra year, not the money, right?
    Both. Raises year to year are lower too

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    Would be scary with Luka. He needs a costar.
    I hated Kobe’s fist pumps, but Doncic’s smirks are on a different level.

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    Both. Raises year to year are lower too
    Right.

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    Looked into it…

    4 yrs with 5% raises versus 5 yrs with 8% raises.

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    That 5th year guarantee for a guy who’s had complications with injuries is very relevant but if healthy and still playing well he probably opts out of year 5 to sign his last major long term deal anyways.

    I really like the idea of Lavine with the following qualifiers:

    - adequate comfort regarding his knee post clean up surgery
    - signing him outright or not paying too much via S&T
    - he would have made way more sense with a top 3 pick knowing the frontline was in better shape

    With that being said I suspect there is very little if any mutual interest:

    - confident he gets max regardless and but he definitely wants to win and I can’t imagine he looks at the Spurs with a short to medium term outlook and sees us as a contender
    - relationship with Murray is probably over hyped
    - relationship with Pop less relevant given this is Pop’s last year
    - PATFO is stubborn enough that they think they can develop a star organically and less likely to pay market price for one who is already developed

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    he's not joining the spurs

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    Apparently Chicago interviewed Benedict Mathurin at the combine. Not totally unusual, other than the fact that they don't have a good enough draft pick to get him. Rumors are Portland may be looking to trade for Zach LaVine using their pick.

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    Apparently Chicago interviewed Benedict Mathurin at the combine. Not totally unusual, other than the fact that they don't have a good enough draft pick to get him. Rumors are Portland may be looking to trade for Zach LaVine using their pick.
    There goes Mathurin off the board.

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    Apparently Chicago interviewed Benedict Mathurin at the combine. Not totally unusual, other than the fact that they don't have a good enough draft pick to get him. Rumors are Portland may be looking to trade for Zach LaVine using their pick.
    I'm not sure why they'd trade their pick for Zach when they have the space to sign him outright but if they do I doubt Chicago takes Murray if he gets past indy...

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    I'm not sure why they'd trade their pick for Zach when they have the space to sign him outright but if they do I doubt Chicago takes Murray if he gets past indy...
    Agreed. They can free up substantial cap room by not picking up Bledsoe’s 20mm option and letting Nurk walk and still
    pay Simmons.

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    Agreed. They can free up substantial cap room by not picking up Bledsoe’s 20mm option and letting Nurk walk and still
    pay Simmons.
    I'm thinking they already have come to an understanding with Nurk about his next contract, otherwise he wouldn't have been sitting at the end of the year (in a contract year).

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    I'm thinking they already have come to an understanding with Nurk about his next contract, otherwise he wouldn't have been sitting at the end of the year (in a contract year).
    They can pribably bring him back at 15-20mm a year and still get Lavine.

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    Getting LaVine now would be such a classic Portland move... they wasted basically a decade trying to win with a back court of 6'2" Lilliard and 6'3" McCollum, and then when McCollum went to New Orleans, the Pelicans immediately moved him to PG and paired him with defensive length in their back court, which makes perfect sense. If the Trailblazers move forward with 6'2" Lilliard, 6'3" Anfernee Simons, and 6'5" Zach LaVine, they'll just be experimenting with the same mistake that essentially wasted Lilliard's prime, an undersized back court that can't defend against any good teams in the playoffs.

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    Getting LaVine now would be such a classic Portland move... they wasted basically a decade trying to win with a back court of 6'2" Lilliard and 6'3" McCollum, and then when McCollum went to New Orleans, the Pelicans immediately moved him to PG and paired him with defensive length in their back court, which makes perfect sense. If the Trailblazers move forward with 6'2" Lilliard, 6'3" Anfernee Simons, and 6'5" Zach LaVine, they'll just be experimenting with the same mistake that essentially wasted Lilliard's prime, an undersized back court that can't defend against any good teams in the playoffs.
    Yeah I’d hope they atleast go with a 3 guard rotation versus Lavine at the 3. You could fill that rister out with solid long athletic 3&D player and than you are maybe a piece away from a top 4 team in the west.

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    Apparently Chicago interviewed Benedict Mathurin at the combine. Not totally unusual, other than the fact that they don't have a good enough draft pick to get him. Rumors are Portland may be looking to trade for Zach LaVine using their pick.
    Good news is SA has way more draft capital than POR does if it comes to that..

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    Lol @ thinking he’s coming to San Antonio. Only way lakers can afford him though is if they give AD, which I don’t see happening. Although it’s gotta be tempting given his inability to stay on the floor.



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    Lol @ thinking he’s coming to San Antonio. Only way lakers can afford him though is if they give AD, which I don’t see happening. Although it’s gotta be tempting given his inability to stay on the floor.




    Same tired trope was said about Aldridge when he said the same things

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    Same tired trope was said about Aldridge when he said the same things
    I don’t remember LMA having a list of 4 teams, and us not being on it. Immaterial, though. We were 13 months from a championship, and had the big 3.

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    Same tired trope was said about Aldridge when he said the same things
    We're in a different place from when we got Aldridge...there's no Duncan, Manu, kawhi, or TP... that said, I don't think it's impossible to sign Zach. The key would be a package type situation where we can show him that we're trading for another high level player so we have Zach, DJ, and one other high level guy. That might entice him but he's not coming as presently constructed I don't believe.

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    Lavine for Wes and THT confirmed. I can see Lakers fans now:

    Why it makes sense for both sides:
    - Lavine has always wanted to be a Laker
    - Lavine gets to play with Lebron
    - Chicago gets an up and coming NBA star in THT
    - Chicago gets to potentially become part of another NBA championship (not their own but still assists matter and they they haven’t won a le since before Instagram)
    - Russ is a triple double machine and is good at getting assists (they matter) to help Chicago that way
    - Lakers could afford to sign and trade future NBA all star Malik Monk plus an FRP for Dame

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    Getting LaVine now would be such a classic Portland move... they wasted basically a decade trying to win with a back court of 6'2" Lilliard and 6'3" McCollum, and then when McCollum went to New Orleans, the Pelicans immediately moved him to PG and paired him with defensive length in their back court, which makes perfect sense. If the Trailblazers move forward with 6'2" Lilliard, 6'3" Anfernee Simons, and 6'5" Zach LaVine, they'll just be experimenting with the same mistake that essentially wasted Lilliard's prime, an undersized back court that can't defend against any good teams in the playoffs.
    other recent flameouts with teams whose offensive options are small guards: Utah with Conley and Mitc , Suns with CP3 and Booker (he's taller but doesn't play like it).

    I am not including Grizzlies there bc they are too young to see them at their best, and injuries really took them out of the running more than anything else, but I have always said they go as far as Jaren takes them. They need Jaren to be a more consistent and better player.

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