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    Shooting form directly affects FT%. That’s why with someone like Johnny Davis, you don’t worry so much about his 30 3G%, because his shoots 80% from the FT line, meaning he has a consistent, re-producible stroke. You can’t shoot 80% from the line without that.
    i totally agree but i see sochan's mechanics as correct, i could be wrong but i'm not worried. Not saying he will be a 40% 3pts shooter and a 80% at FT.

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    i totally agree but i see sochan's mechanics as correct, i could be wrong but i'm not worried. Not saying he will be a 40% 3pts shooter and a 80% at FT.
    His form is not bad and his hands have good softness to them. He's not clanging his shots, there's just some issues that need to be worked out.

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    You sum up things tough i'm not agree about the Keldon thing. There is not a player who can solve the majority of spurs problem at 9 : They need size, defense, rebounding, scoring... imo the player who can solve the most improvement areas is Johnny Davis because he can score and defend but sochan as a 4 is the best fit for me.
    Yeah, drafting Sochan has nothing to do with Keldon, I think I was just riffing. KJ sort of came alive in the second half versus NO in the play in, but it's hard to say if he takes a bigger leap this upcoming season, and being a go to scorer is not expected. And I still like Johnny Davis because I think he's a perfect fit for the Spurs. But I like Eason, too, probably still more than Sochan.

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    Not liking the idea of taking a top ten pick being primarily strong defensively but not offensively.

    You won't win in this league trotting out a defensive team, too easy for the top scorers to score on anyone.

    If you're lucky enough to get a top ten pick you need to target a high volume upside go to scorer(Spurs need to aggressively look to move up a couple of spots), those players get drafted high in drafts, the defensive specialists you can get later.

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    Yeah, drafting Sochan has nothing to do with Keldon, I think I was just riffing. KJ sort of came alive in the second half versus NO in the play in, but it's hard to say if he takes a bigger leap this upcoming season, and being a go to scorer is not expected. And I still like Johnny Davis because I think he's a perfect fit for the Spurs. But I like Eason, too, probably still more than Sochan.
    Agree Keldon is about at his peak now. I just don't see him attacking the basket which will be needed to be a go to scorer.

    I think his numbers peaked during the last three months of the season because of all the tanking teams.
    It would be interesting to see his totals against the tanking non Playoff teams vs the Playoff teams in the last three months of the season.

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    Like with Kawhi, gonna be all about how much he develops imo.

    Haven't seen enough to know. And perhaps no one knows.

    With Kawhi the hands and quickness made it a no brainer.

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    Not only on Keldon development, but also on Devin developing into a consistent go-to scorer and defensive lockdown. If Devin and Keldon could take that leap, then Sochan at 9 as a defensive PF would be ideal.

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    Like with Kawhi, gonna be all about how much he develops imo.

    Haven't seen enough to know. And perhaps no one knows.

    With Kawhi the hands and quickness made it a no brainer.
    Nobody expected Kawhi will be an offensive force on top of becoming a great defender. He was just such a gym rat.

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    Not interested. A team this bereft of talent has no business expending their highest pick in 25 years on a player this offensively limited and flawed, especially a non center which generally caps defensive impact at sub elite.

    They don't need to go reaching to fill a positional need either, when at worst they can more than likely get Washington Jr. to fill the gaping hole at the four, whose shooting automatically makes him a better fit.

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    IF Devin and Keldon made that leap this coming seadon, Sochan is the ideal, straight forward with very little changes on the line-up, just plug in Sochan.

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    Nobody expected Kawhi will be an offensive force on top of becoming a great defender. He was just such a rat.
    fixed

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    His ceiling is high end role player. Spurs need more from a 9 pick.

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    Like with Kawhi, gonna be all about how much he develops imo.

    Haven't seen enough to know. And perhaps no one knows.

    With Kawhi the hands and quickness made it a no brainer.
    Kawhi was a specimen. Size, large hands and strenght, Keldon is not in his league.

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    His ceiling is high end role player. Spurs need more from a 9 pick.
    I think he can be a solid starter but you better have top go to scorers at the 2 and 3 to offset that he won't be a go to scorer.
    And if he doesn't improve on his free throw shooting he will be a liability to be on the floor late in games.

    Overall Team Defense is great but not at the expense of Team offense.

    Spurs are hoping their young players will develop but there is a high chance no one becomes a top 25 scorer in the league from the current group. How many years will they invest in the current core?

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    Kawhi was a specimen. Size, large hands and strenght, Keldon is not in his league.
    Oh yeah I'm not playing Keldon at the 4, that was Coach Re .

    I thought we were comparing with Sochan anyways.

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    His form is not bad and his hands have good softness to them. He's not clanging his shots, there's just some issues that need to be worked out.
    He pushes with his fingers I think it should be an easy fix for him

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    Jeremy Sochan 6’9” PF/SF (19 years old)
    Freshman Season Stats at Baylor:
    9.2 PPG, 6.4 REB, 1.8 AST, 1.3 STL, 47.4 FG%, 29.6 3PT%, 58.9 FT%
    If that’s supposed to be a diss, you probably wouldn’t have drafted this one guard from UK. Scored 10 ppg. Name of Devin Booker.

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    Soo if rodman and Bowen had a baby it be this guy?

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    If Sochan's shooting numbers were in the league of say, Banchero (48% FG, 34% 3PT, 73% FT), where do you think he'd be drafted?

    This guy embodies everything, (at least as I understand it), that the Spurs 'Culture' is about.

    He speaks with an experience and a wisdom beyond his years. He's versatile, including projecting to play a position of dire need and the kid has a toughness, an edge that belies his soft-spoken ways.

    Be it through hubris, ignorance or plain old fashioned confidence; the FO is looking for guys who are over themselves and will earn their way into playing/becoming Stars.
    Sochan is likely a High Level Starter/Glue guy at best. But he has real tools to achieve those goals in a system extremely beneficial to players of his ilk if the shooting comes around.

    Bryan Kalbrosky's interview with Sochan mentioned Herb Jones and that he shot 7% from 3, 63% from the line his Junior season - then in his senior season, 35% from 3, 71% from the line.
    That dude is shooting 35% from 3 in the NBA, and 81% from the line. And he's soon to be 24 (in October). He was also 2nd Team All-Rookie.

    We can't underestimate how important players of this caliber are to winning and forming team winning habits. I still think there is a chance for a potential Offensive primary later in the draft if this is the way the Spurs decide to go.
    It may not be the most exciting of picks but I'd be on board with Sochan as a selection at #9.

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    I'm not sure what "unmoved" in your poll means in your estimation, but in mine he doesn't merit a 9th pick because of his shooting. There are some better options out there since we need a future "star" at almost every position and we could find a better SF, PF or SG at #9 IMO. We need to get this pick right. Sochan is too risky.

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    Sochan would look good next to all star. We still have picks 20 25 to get those. The Herb Jones and Draymond Greens are only gettable with top 10 picks.

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    I've mentioned elsewhere, Sochan hits threes at a very slightly better percentage than Kawhi did when they both came out of college. Kawhi was a year older.

    Hot take: I might take Sochan before Keegan Murray. I'm starting not to believe in Murray's production, seeing him as similar to Luka Garza, a product of Iowa feeding and feeding and feeding in very specific ways. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sochan go before Murray.

    Sochan's shooting is obvs. a big issue. I think it's fixable. He's a very smart basketball player even on the offensive end. I can see him paired with a shooter like Zollins or Landale. But he did come off the bench for Baylor and has a ways to go, although I see him as a first year contributor. In some clips, I've never seen a player make instant/snap switches like he does.

    Expectation: Something tells me he's not the guy. Could be wrong. I think it's Duren.
    Was thinking about Keegan earlier and have similar unease. Also read reports that Indy were hoping to trade Turner and Brogdon to hit the reset button, which made me wonder if they’d switch philosophies heading into the draft. I’d assume Keegan was perfect with those vets and Duarte.

    If they did change course, they seem Duren or Sochan destination at 6.

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    If that’s supposed to be a diss, you probably wouldn’t have drafted this one guard from UK. Scored 10 ppg. Name of Devin Booker.
    Wasn't a diss. I like Sochan. He’s not my first choice, but I like him as a prospect. Was just highlighting cause nobody had posted his stats yet.

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    His ceiling is high end role player. Spurs need more from a 9 pick.
    Although I'm really intrigued by him that's a fair way to look at him. The FT% is the thing that scares me the most.
    You almost never see players shooting that low ever become decent shooters. I'm trying to think of one- Hakeem Olajuwan?

    IF he could become a good shooter he could be special
    I'm really on the fence
    Anyone hear how he shot in workouts
    Not that is proof

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    Although I'm really intrigued by him that's a fair way to look at him. The FT% is the thing that scares me the most.
    You almost never see players shooting that low ever become decent shooters. I'm trying to think of one- Hakeem Olajuwan?

    IF he could become a good shooter he could be special
    I'm really on the fence
    Anyone hear how he shot in workouts
    Not that is proof
    2nd best PF ever, behind Timmy, Karl Malone was an atrocious at the FT line when he first started at 48%

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